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Postby Radiatia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:10 pm

I generally identify as a right-winger, although like most educated people I question the usefulness of the left-right dichotomy. Furthermore, in recent times I've moved to the centre on economic issues.

As such my identification with the political right may well be cultural, rather than political or economic - I would never be caught dead at a lefty protest where they scream and shout and carry on, even if I agreed with the cause in question.

Culturally I'm certainly more conservative than liberal (though very moderate by the standards of countries such as the USA), and indeed my conservatism is much more in the late 19th century tradition of Benjamin Disraeli, rather than a more reactionary liberal-conservatism that again one finds common in the US (although I do lean more Republican than Democrat where US politics are concerned.)

I am a civic nationalist who believes in a strong defence force and strict immigration controls. I reject cultural Marxism, political correctness and social engineering, accepting that while social change is inevitable, it must be the people who lead such change and not forced upon them by government - or judicial activism.

I'm also very much a populist - although again this places me in this weird nether position where I'm not quite left and not quite right, but also not centrist either.

And for the record, I abhor socialism.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:19 pm

Radiatia wrote:I generally identify as a right-winger, although like most educated people I question the usefulness of the left-right dichotomy. Furthermore, in recent times I've moved to the centre on economic issues.

As such my identification with the political right may well be cultural, rather than political or economic - I would never be caught dead at a lefty protest where they scream and shout and carry on, even if I agreed with the cause in question.

Culturally I'm certainly more conservative than liberal (though very moderate by the standards of countries such as the USA), and indeed my conservatism is much more in the late 19th century tradition of Benjamin Disraeli, rather than a more reactionary liberal-conservatism that again one finds common in the US (although I do lean more Republican than Democrat where US politics are concerned.)

I am a civic nationalist who believes in a strong defence force and strict immigration controls. I reject cultural Marxism, political correctness and social engineering, accepting that while social change is inevitable, it must be the people who lead such change and not forced upon them by government - or judicial activism.

Except for that last part, I think our views are pretty similar. Velcome.
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:34 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Bashriyya wrote:

Which is why I am opposed to Judaism, because Judaism is the religion of Satan according to Christ, who called the founders of Judaism, liars.

He calls the literalist Pharisees something of the sort.

Not the whole of Judaism. Plus, judaism has kind of reformed and is considerably Pharisee-less since that temple went down.

Pharisaic Judaism gained dominance after the destruction of the temple. Pharisees leaders were rabbis, not priests.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:40 pm

Morr wrote:
Jochistan wrote:He calls the literalist Pharisees something of the sort.

Not the whole of Judaism. Plus, judaism has kind of reformed and is considerably Pharisee-less since that temple went down.

Pharisaic Judaism gained dominance after the destruction of the temple. Pharisees leaders were rabbis, not priests.

Second temple, I mean.
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:44 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Morr wrote:Pharisaic Judaism gained dominance after the destruction of the temple. Pharisees leaders were rabbis, not priests.

Second temple, I mean.

Yes, so do I. Pharisaic Judaism was one of several sects of Judaism. After the Destruction of the Second Temple, Christianity and Phariseeism were the two major sects, and within a couple of hundred years, they were the only sects remaining.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:47 pm

Morr wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Second temple, I mean.

Yes, so do I. Pharisaic Judaism was one of several sects of Judaism. After the Destruction of the Second Temple, Christianity and Phariseeism were the two major sects, and within a couple of hundred years, they were the only sects remaining.

Still, my point was that the religion of the Pharisees isn't exactly the same Judaism we have today exept for a couple of movements.
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Postby Morr » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:52 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Morr wrote:Yes, so do I. Pharisaic Judaism was one of several sects of Judaism. After the Destruction of the Second Temple, Christianity and Phariseeism were the two major sects, and within a couple of hundred years, they were the only sects remaining.

Still, my point was that the religion of the Pharisees isn't exactly the same Judaism we have today exept for a couple of movements.

The Judaism we have today grew out or Pharisaic Judaism, Pharisees were defiend by subscribing a special oral law, which later became the Babylonian Talmud.

Is Judaism different today? Yes, enormously, there a different branches that vary significantly (I think orthodox is the only one that actually cares if you believe in God).
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Postby Kauthar » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:59 am

Bashriyya wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhf0mQdHtE

I believe America should support Assad against ISIS, I believe we can buy him away from Iran.

America should also support the Pro-Democracy movement in Iran.

I agree. The Assad family has greatly improved Syria and he is the only person who can stabilize the country.
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Postby Morr » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:03 am

Unnamed island state wrote:
Bashriyya wrote:

the rebels gassed the people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE53RqGQltk

That's very doubtable.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentclo ... igence.pdf
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Postby Morr » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:04 am

Kauthar wrote:
Bashriyya wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhf0mQdHtE

I believe America should support Assad against ISIS, I believe we can buy him away from Iran.

America should also support the Pro-Democracy movement in Iran.

I agree. The Assad family has greatly improved Syria and he is the only person who can stabilize the country.

Yep, but I don't see any point in trying to buy him from Iran, he's Russia's client and therefore Iran's, trying to "buy him away" from Iran would have to entail doing the same with Russia, which just isn't going to happen.
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Postby ConcordusCorp LLC » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:23 am

I identify socially as Libertarian and believe that short of negating/interfering maliciously in the lives of others, citizens should be allowed to do whatever they want. I also believe that Monarchy (in the most orthodox sense of the word, rule by one) with some constitutional limits safeguarded by an armed military composed of the citizenry that is culturally moral and respectful, with an open but autarkic economic system, is the ideal form of society as of this moment.

I believe that such a Monarch should be chosen through two inquiries, that is, 1) do they have a clean track record? And 2) are they intellectually competent to legislate and safeguard the system that is established? This should be measured through publicly-monitored and publicly-accessible tests of intelligence and psychological analysis and reviews. Individuals that meet this requirement should be classified into a pool of individuals that are randomly selected to become the new Monarch and every six months they will endure another publicly-monitored, publicly-accessible analysis of competence and any legislation made within that time frame will directly hold the Monarch accountable. Should the Monarch prove to be competent, they will continue to rule until they are no longer so, in which case they will be peacefully asked to step down from their position and return to their normal life. Should this Monarch defy the established constitutional demands, the citizenry are obligated to depose him and replace him with another individual.
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Postby Kauthar » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:19 am

Bermon wrote:What kind of Right Winger are you?






"Fascist"...
:meh:

I am sorry what?

Fascism is right-wing socially and third way economically, it's right-wing, and most fascists identify themselves as right-wingers so it's more or less to include them - and aside from conservatism it's probably the mostly widely known right-wing ideology.
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Postby Dinake » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:42 am

Jochistan wrote:Now when the poll says monarchist, it means Absolute, divine right type monarchist?

Those people are still here?

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Postby Teemant » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:09 am

I'm conservative/capitalist/libertarian - mix of all that.
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Postby Russo-Byzantine Empire » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:14 am

The only right wing belief (I absolutely despise that spectrum with every fiber of my being) I have is that I am extremely Monarchist. I believe that Republicanism is never the answer, and all Republics should be abolished. I am not, however, an absolutist, and I am for secularism and Scandinavia style social democracy, but only democracy to a point.
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Postby Teemant » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:16 am

Patrick OConner wrote:
yes. that doesn't mean white people are innately superior to every group of people. it just means that by and large a white person, in say, the US, will have an easier life and more opportunities than a non-white person, because we spent centuries specifically making it that way. i like to use apartheid as my admittedly rather extreme example for the next part, there were well off black people and homeless poor white people but that doesn't change the fact that by and large being being white was clearly more advantageous and you would be a fool to deny it. and yes, there are countries where being white has different advantages and in many cases severe disadvantages, we do not live in those places.

just covering my bases here because white privilege discussion get toxic fast.


In my life I have yet to witness such an event. At 22 I may not have lived long enough but I doubt that is the issue. I have been discrmanted againist in my life. I have found no advantage to being white. I have fought and worked very hard to get anything at all. I find myself leaning toward the fact that "white privilege" Is just an excuse used by the lazy to justify why they have nothing.

I am not denying that racism does not exist. it surely does but in modern day america I have yet to witness anything like aparthied or Jim Crowe.


Of course white privilege is nothing more than an excuse. White privilege isn't a thing in 2015.
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Postby Teemant » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:21 am

Kauthar wrote:
Bashriyya wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhf0mQdHtE

I believe America should support Assad against ISIS, I believe we can buy him away from Iran.

America should also support the Pro-Democracy movement in Iran.

I agree. The Assad family has greatly improved Syria and he is the only person who can stabilize the country.


The fact is that he couldn't stabilize the country because then uprisings wouldn't have had happened but they did. I think west missed the opportunity to support these protesters. These were the people who wanted change but they have been now killed by Assad and ISIS.
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Postby Lucipurr » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:24 am

Kauthar wrote:
Bashriyya wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhf0mQdHtE

I believe America should support Assad against ISIS, I believe we can buy him away from Iran.

America should also support the Pro-Democracy movement in Iran.

I agree. The Assad family has greatly improved Syria and he is the only person who can stabilize the country.


While I definitely agree that he is a more stable and obviously better alternative to a bunch of radical Islamists, we can't ignore the fact that he has brutally murdered his own people and is an oppressive asshole.
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Postby Caislean Scath » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:30 am

Teemant wrote:I'm conservative/capitalist/libertarian - mix of all that.

Me too. It leads to long discussions, well... explanations, to my less intelligent colleagues
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:40 am

Kauthar wrote:
Bermon wrote:What kind of Right Winger are you?






"Fascist"...
:meh:

I am sorry what?

Fascism is right-wing socially and third way economically, it's right-wing, and most fascists identify themselves as right-wingers so it's more or less to include them - and aside from conservatism it's probably the mostly widely known right-wing ideology.

*sigh* Fascism is not a right-wing ideology. Far from it in fact, contrary to what left and right-wingers seem to think.
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Postby Jochistan » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:56 am

Dinake wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Now when the poll says monarchist, it means Absolute, divine right type monarchist?

Those people are still here?

Hello.
I'm back.

Truly? Interesting. How do you think an absolute monarchy would work in a modern western society?

You aren't the least bit concerned that you'd be treated as one of the ignorant masses in such a situation?
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Postby Latlandia » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:22 am

My nationstate is right wing and It`s only on it`s first steps. We`re anti-left wing and anti-liberalism. I`ll contribute to the thread when I have something to say. ;)
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:24 am

Jochistan wrote:
Dinake wrote:Hello.
I'm back.

Truly? Interesting. How do you think an absolute monarchy would work in a modern western society?

You aren't the least bit concerned that you'd be treated as one of the ignorant masses in such a situation?

It's Diopolis, he doesn't want a modern Western society. He prefers the Middle Ages.
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Postby Dejanic » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:32 am

The Greater Aryan Race wrote:
Kauthar wrote:Fascism is right-wing socially and third way economically, it's right-wing, and most fascists identify themselves as right-wingers so it's more or less to include them - and aside from conservatism it's probably the mostly widely known right-wing ideology.

*sigh* Fascism is not a right-wing ideology. Far from it in fact, contrary to what left and right-wingers seem to think.

Of course it is, people who claim Fascism is leftist because it economically rejects free market Capitalism don't understand what the political spectrum actually means in an economic sense. Right wing economics don't boil down purely to free market Capitalism, just like how Anarcho Communism isn't the only form of Left wing economic thought. Corporatism is equally allowed to be claimed by the right due to it's inherent hierarchal and competitive nature as a system, and the social views of Fascists are also on the hard right.

Corporatism merely represents the authoritarian side of right wing economic thought, where as free market capitalism represents the more libertarian side of right wing economic thought. Just like how state Socialism represents the authoritarian side of left wing economic thought, and anarcho Communism the libertarian side.
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Postby Russo-Byzantine Empire » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:37 am

Jochistan wrote:
Dinake wrote:Hello.
I'm back.

Truly? Interesting. How do you think an absolute monarchy would work in a modern western society?

You aren't the least bit concerned that you'd be treated as one of the ignorant masses in such a situation?

Enlightened Absolutism was very prelevant in Enlightenment Europe. I would imagine that a modern absolute monarchy would be like that, socially libertarian, with a meritoc government. The problem with this system is that it relies entirely on the ruler, but it was arguably at work in the Jordan of King Hussein and the Morocco of Hassan II.
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