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by Jumalariik » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:17 pm
by Sociopia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:26 pm
The state has no place is marriage, but if it does, it must recognise homosexual marriage as legitimate (even if it’s not really “marriage”, at least in the traditional sense.)Kraylandia wrote:Well, as a left winger, I want to know what is all of your opinions on issues like Same Sex marriage and transgender people?
Jumalariik wrote:What do you folks think about Trump?
Racism in the modern world is bad, but it is natural, to an extent. In the past, communities were very tight-nit. If you encountered someone of a different culture, they were very likely a direct threat to yourself and killing them or forcing them out of the area would be an appropriate reaction. So it would make sense that we have a natural bias towards our race/culture/ethnicity and against others. That being said, in the modern world, discrimination is not natural in the sense that it is inherent to our nature and should not be tolerated as it is barbaric and it has no place in a civilised society.Agritum wrote:But yes, right wingers:
What's racism for you? Is it something bad? Natural? Can racialist outlooks and an emphasis on ethnical homogeneity ease the task of realizing an orderly, hierarchical society, or do they breed the polarization and inter and intra-class hatred that left sometimes love to capitalize on? Is racism moral accordin to your values? Or not? And why?
I do agree with some of their ideas.Jochistan wrote:So, what do you guys think of Paleoconservatism?
Personally, I think it's worse than Salmonella.
I guess I’m somewhat a nationalist in the sense that I believe my nation and its values are intrinsically superior to others and that my own nation’s interests come first, and I don’t think we really have any obligation to help other nations. That being said, I’m not entirely opposed to helping other nations.Jumalariik wrote:Are most of you guys nationalists?
I’m more economically minded myself.Jumalariik wrote:I clearly would be one, but are you guys more economically minded or conservatively minded?
by Jumalariik » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:30 pm
Sociopia wrote:I consider myself a classical liberal, meritocrat and moderate traditionalist. In other words, more or less on the right (especially economically.) The 5 Dimensional Political Compass also describes me as an Objectivist and nationalist, so hey.
That being said, I will try to answer of the questions asked throughout this thread.The state has no place is marriage, but if it does, it must recognise homosexual marriage as legitimate (even if it’s not really “marriage”, at least in the traditional sense.)Kraylandia wrote:Well, as a left winger, I want to know what is all of your opinions on issues like Same Sex marriage and transgender people?
I’m a bit iffy when it comes to issues regarding transfolk, but for the most part I respect their rights provided they don’t expect the rest of society to bend over backwards for them. That’s when I start to draw the line.Jumalariik wrote:What do you folks think about Trump?
A good businessman, perhaps, but he has no place in politics.Racism in the modern world is bad, but it is natural, to an extent. In the past, communities were very tight-nit. If you encountered someone of a different culture, they were very likely a direct threat to yourself and killing them or forcing them out of the area would be an appropriate reaction. So it would make sense that we have a natural bias towards our race/culture/ethnicity and against others. That being said, in the modern world, discrimination is not natural in the sense that it is inherent to our nature and should not be tolerated as it is barbaric and it has no place in a civilised society.Agritum wrote:But yes, right wingers:
What's racism for you? Is it something bad? Natural? Can racialist outlooks and an emphasis on ethnical homogeneity ease the task of realizing an orderly, hierarchical society, or do they breed the polarization and inter and intra-class hatred that left sometimes love to capitalize on? Is racism moral accordin to your values? Or not? And why?I do agree with some of their ideas.Jochistan wrote:So, what do you guys think of Paleoconservatism?
Personally, I think it's worse than Salmonella.I guess I’m somewhat a nationalist in the sense that I believe my nation and its values are intrinsically superior to others and that my own nation’s interests come first, and I don’t think we really have any obligation to help other nations. That being said, I’m not entirely opposed to helping other nations.Jumalariik wrote:Are most of you guys nationalists?I’m more economically minded myself.Jumalariik wrote:I clearly would be one, but are you guys more economically minded or conservatively minded?
by Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:33 pm
Val Halla wrote:"Traditional values"
Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism
by Calimera II » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:34 pm
by Lyras » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:34 pm
Mokastana: Then Lyras happened.
Allanea: Wanting to avoid fighting Lyras' fuck-huge military is also a reasonable IC consideration
TPF: Who is stupid enough to attack a Lyran convoy?
Sumer: Honestly, I'd rather face Doom's military with Doom having a 3-1 advantage over me, than take a 1-1 fight with a well-supplied Lyran tank unit.
Kinsgard: RL Lyras is like a real life video game character.
Ieperithem: Eighty four. Eighty four percent of their terrifyingly massive GDP goes directly into their military. And they actually know how to manage it. It's safe to say there isn't a single nation that could feasibly stand against them if they wanted it to die.
Yikes. Just... Yikes.
by Sociopia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:34 pm
Yep. I'm more right when it comes to economic issues, as my political compass may suggest. I tend to agree more with the moderate left or libertarians more when it comes to social issues. I still consider myself to be more right-of-centre though.Jumalariik wrote:So you are more capitalist than nationalist?
by Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:35 pm
by Lyras » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:42 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Asmikland wrote:I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.
Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.
While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.
Mokastana: Then Lyras happened.
Allanea: Wanting to avoid fighting Lyras' fuck-huge military is also a reasonable IC consideration
TPF: Who is stupid enough to attack a Lyran convoy?
Sumer: Honestly, I'd rather face Doom's military with Doom having a 3-1 advantage over me, than take a 1-1 fight with a well-supplied Lyran tank unit.
Kinsgard: RL Lyras is like a real life video game character.
Ieperithem: Eighty four. Eighty four percent of their terrifyingly massive GDP goes directly into their military. And they actually know how to manage it. It's safe to say there isn't a single nation that could feasibly stand against them if they wanted it to die.
Yikes. Just... Yikes.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:42 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Asmikland wrote:I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.
Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.
While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:45 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Val Halla wrote:"Traditional values"
Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism
Oh Christ. Traditional values doesn't always mean an excuse for homophobia and sexism. I don't see right wingers making similar blanket statements in the thread for left wingers, but for some reason, it happens here.
by MERIZoC » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:48 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Asmikland wrote:I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.
Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.
While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.
by Jochistan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:32 pm
Jumalariik wrote:Are most of you guys nationalists?
I clearly would be one, but are you guys more economically minded or conservatively minded?
by Geilinor » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:39 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Asmikland wrote:I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.
Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.
While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.
by Lyras » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:42 pm
Geilinor wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Trump, as much as I dislike him, has been horribly misinterpreted in regards to his Muslim comments. He wants a temporary ban on Islamic immigration, he's not advocating the deportation of Muslims, or a permanent ban.
While it is radical, it's not as radical as some perceive it to be. But, then again, twisting fact to help one's agenda is an American tradition.
He wants a ban on all Muslim travel into the United States until he decides to lift it. Which would be not as long as he's in office.
Mokastana: Then Lyras happened.
Allanea: Wanting to avoid fighting Lyras' fuck-huge military is also a reasonable IC consideration
TPF: Who is stupid enough to attack a Lyran convoy?
Sumer: Honestly, I'd rather face Doom's military with Doom having a 3-1 advantage over me, than take a 1-1 fight with a well-supplied Lyran tank unit.
Kinsgard: RL Lyras is like a real life video game character.
Ieperithem: Eighty four. Eighty four percent of their terrifyingly massive GDP goes directly into their military. And they actually know how to manage it. It's safe to say there isn't a single nation that could feasibly stand against them if they wanted it to die.
Yikes. Just... Yikes.
by Geilinor » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:43 pm
by Ugatoo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:52 pm
by Lyras » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:54 pm
Mokastana: Then Lyras happened.
Allanea: Wanting to avoid fighting Lyras' fuck-huge military is also a reasonable IC consideration
TPF: Who is stupid enough to attack a Lyran convoy?
Sumer: Honestly, I'd rather face Doom's military with Doom having a 3-1 advantage over me, than take a 1-1 fight with a well-supplied Lyran tank unit.
Kinsgard: RL Lyras is like a real life video game character.
Ieperithem: Eighty four. Eighty four percent of their terrifyingly massive GDP goes directly into their military. And they actually know how to manage it. It's safe to say there isn't a single nation that could feasibly stand against them if they wanted it to die.
Yikes. Just... Yikes.
by Alyakia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:01 pm
Ugatoo wrote:You guys should hang out with the regressive left, you have tons in common.
by Lyras » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:01 pm
Mokastana: Then Lyras happened.
Allanea: Wanting to avoid fighting Lyras' fuck-huge military is also a reasonable IC consideration
TPF: Who is stupid enough to attack a Lyran convoy?
Sumer: Honestly, I'd rather face Doom's military with Doom having a 3-1 advantage over me, than take a 1-1 fight with a well-supplied Lyran tank unit.
Kinsgard: RL Lyras is like a real life video game character.
Ieperithem: Eighty four. Eighty four percent of their terrifyingly massive GDP goes directly into their military. And they actually know how to manage it. It's safe to say there isn't a single nation that could feasibly stand against them if they wanted it to die.
Yikes. Just... Yikes.
by Alyakia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:02 pm
Lyras wrote:Geilinor wrote:Which is a problem. Trump says it will be "until we figure out what the hell is going on". And anyway, how do you know for sure what religion someone believes in?
A particular problem when Islam promotes the use of taqiyya (-deception-), which is not only justified but commendable, if it advances the cause of Islam (Q 3:28, 5:28).
by Ugatoo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:03 pm
by Alyakia » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:05 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:09 pm
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