Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Ragnarum]

You sound like a Left-winger to me.

Yeah. I suppose, though left wingers call me a right winger.
I mean again, left wing economically, right wing socially, nationalist and populist.

Lol I would fit in here better than I would on any of the left wing NSG threads. :/

Don't try and fit in with either end of the spectrum. I stopped trying to fit in with the 'left' quite a while ago after I discovered I don't actually agree with them as much as I thought. I certainly don't fit in here.

What do you folks think about Trump?

Great comedian, probably an ok person. Fucking insane politician.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.
I support:
-Nationalism
-Support for high birth rates within nation-state
-Theocracy
-Socialism, syndicalism
-Rights for all peoples within their nations
-Social Conservatism, traditionalism
-Nationalized industries and economic collectivism

So I don't know if I'm right wing or not.

Sounds a bit like Fascism.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

What do you folks think about Trump?

A complete clown.

[Jumalariik]

What do you folks think about Trump?

I'm pretty sure that even right wingers don't like Trump. Just racists with otherwise no interest in politics

I don't like Trump, but what racist things has he said?

[Asmikland]

I'm pretty sure that even right wingers don't like Trump. Just racists with otherwise no interest in politics

I don't like Trump, but what racist things has he said?

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

[Jumalariik]

I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.
I support:
-Nationalism
-Support for high birth rates within nation-state
-Theocracy
-Socialism, syndicalism
-Rights for all peoples within their nations
-Social Conservatism, traditionalism
-Nationalized industries and economic collectivism

So I don't know if I'm right wing or not.

Sounds a bit like Fascism.

Ehhhhhh
Plz no.
Fascism supports class collaborationism. The wealthy would still exist as an elite, how can that exist in a united nation?

[Agritum]

Slavery and forced conversion were both once cherished traditional values,traditional values is code name for discriminatory practices.

Now THIS is highly disingenuous.
Traditional values acknowledged that, oddly enough, men and women are not the same, and that this is an aspect of reality. Traditional values (in the west) enshrined the rights of humanity. Traditional values prevented Aztecs from killing 50,000 people to pay homage to their god. Traditional values provided the foundational societal structures that enabled western societies to express so many of the freedoms that some folks seem perpetually inclined to take for granted.

Are they flawless? Of course not. Subject to review? Certainly. But 'oh my feelings, you offend me' is rarely a good rationale for anything, and yet that principle forms law in some parts of the west.

I don't think that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Declaration universelle de le droits de l'homme? My French est caput.) was considered a particularly traditional charter in late 18th Century Europe. Of course, it then gradually became a cornerstone of modern, liberal western democracies, but that's more proof that "traditional values" are something quite fluid and ever-changing. I wouldn't put firm conviction in such a variable (and arbitrary) set of tenets, but that's just me.

[Arlenton]

What do you folks think about Trump?

Well, he'd hand the election to Clinton.

[Vashtanaraada]

I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.
I support:
-Nationalism
-Support for high birth rates within nation-state
-Theocracy
-Socialism, syndicalism
-Rights for all peoples within their nations
-Social Conservatism, traditionalism
-Nationalized industries and economic collectivism

So I don't know if I'm right wing or not.

you're a social nationalist
(NOT NATIONAL SOCIALIST)

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Slavery and forced conversion were both once cherished traditional values,traditional values is code name for discriminatory practices.

Now THIS is highly disingenuous.
Traditional values acknowledged that, oddly enough, men and women are not the same, and that this is an aspect of reality.

Fair.

Traditional values (in the west) enshrined the rights of humanity.

Depends on the tradition and the values. The Inquisition was Western.

Traditional values prevented Aztecs from killing 50,000 people to pay homage to their god.

How many Aztecs were killed, enslaved, and had their culture stripped from them in the name of the Catholic God? How many died to fill the coffers of Spain and Portugal?

Traditional values provided the foundational societal structures that enabled western societies to express so many of the freedoms that some folks seem perpetually inclined to take for granted.

Meaningless rhetoric. What structures? Which societies? Which freedoms? Has the West not also been responsible for war and dictatorships? Where was the freedom for slaves brought from Africa, for the Jews forced into ghettos and tortured at the hands of the Inquisition (Or, centuries later, the Nazi Party)? Were the native Americans more or less free once the U.S. moved in on their lands?

Look, I'm a huge fan of Western civilization, but we don't have a monopoly on freedom, just as other cultures don't have a monopoly on dictatorships.

Are they flawless? Of course not. Subject to review? Certainly. But 'oh my feelings, you offend me' is rarely a good rationale for anything, and yet that principle forms law in some parts of the west.

It's not the feels that are offended, it's the sense of history and reality.

[Bermon]

What kind of Right Winger are you?






"Fascist"...


I am sorry what?

[Val Halla]

I'm pretty sure that even right wingers don't like Trump. Just racists with otherwise no interest in politics

I don't like Trump, but what racist things has he said?

Banning Muslims? Describing Mexicans as rapists?

[Agritum]

What do you folks think about Trump?

A complete clown.

The greatest hope of the Democratic Party, in case he wins the primaries.

Nope, I didn't mix up party names.

[Agramistania]

•And the war against cultural marxism

Kek.

Seriously, stop wasting your time on nonexistant boogeymen.

The Frankfurt Schools have had great impact on humanistic fields. Even some left-wingers admit it.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

I don't like Trump, but what racist things has he said?

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Muslims aren't a race.

[Nelson R Mandela]

What do you folks think about Trump?

I can't picture him as a president or just a person involved in politics.

[Vashtanaraada]

I don't like Trump, but what racist things has he said?

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Agreeing with Katie Hopkins is racist.
Wanting Muslims banned is racist.

[The Republic of American Freedom]

What kind of Right Winger are you?






"Fascist"...


I am sorry what?

Fascism is not Right-Wing or Left-Wing.

[Alyakia]

Slavery and forced conversion were both once cherished traditional values,traditional values is code name for discriminatory practices.

Now THIS is highly disingenuous.
Traditional values acknowledged that, oddly enough, men and women are not the same, and that this is an aspect of reality. Traditional values (in the west) enshrined the rights of humanity. Traditional values prevented Aztecs from killing 50,000 people to pay homage to their god. Traditional values provided the foundational societal structures that enabled western societies to express so many of the freedoms that some folks seem perpetually inclined to take for granted.

Are they flawless? Of course not. Subject to review? Certainly. But 'oh my feelings, you offend me' is rarely a good rationale for anything, and yet that principle forms law in some parts of the west.

notice how you said (in the west). this is an implicit admission that for the aztecs killing 50,000 people to pay homage to their god was their traditional values.

i will also say that everything you just said is fundamentally bullshit because it requires you to define specifically when those values were traditional. for example, traditional values rights of humanity? when? you when does it start? with a revolution declaring the droits d'homme while the traditionalists (note: this is not a coincidence?) fought against it? or is it something about how great christianity is? because you get trapped in the same hole with taking over the empire and stamping out old religions being the exact opposite of traditional values. or were you going full on and trying to talk about how ancient humans were down with the freedoms?

as far as i can tell all your post did was say "traditional values are good if we use a historical reference point when they are considered traditional instead of revolutionary"

[Vashtanaraada]

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Muslims aren't a race.

They're an ethnicity.

[Arlenton]

A complete clown.

The greatest hope of the Democratic Party, in case he wins the primaries.

Nope, I didn't mix up party names.

The fact that so many people think he's going to win is laughable.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I think banning muslims is pretty racist, not gonna lie.

Muslims aren't a race.

And pedantry is not a defense.

[Vashtanaraada]

What kind of Right Winger are you?






"Fascist"...


I am sorry what?

Fascism is not Right-Wing or Left-Wing.

Fascism may be third position, but Nazism is definitely far-right.

[Diopolis]

"Traditional values"

Oh boy, I love this reason for justification of bullshit practices like homophobia and sexism

The democracy of the dead institutes its roles and practices for a reason.

[Old Tyrannia]

I don't know if I'm actually right wing or not. In terms of economic policy, I am a socialist, far left. In terms of national issues/social opinions, I am hard right, but not far right. All people deserve rights, but diversity of peoples is a good thing and separate nations is good.
I support:
-Nationalism
-Support for high birth rates within nation-state
-Theocracy
-Socialism, syndicalism
-Rights for all peoples within their nations
-Social Conservatism, traditionalism
-Nationalized industries and economic collectivism

So I don't know if I'm right wing or not.

Sounds a bit like Fascism.

Personally I'm reminded of the philosophy of Ayatollah Khomeini and the Islamic Revolution in Iran.