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Asmikland
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Postby Asmikland » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:25 pm

Ugatoo wrote:
Asmikland wrote:That's true. my only qualm was over the fact that they weren't using the correct terms for her, calling her male, which i pointed out, and then decided that being DoS was good enough reason to not use said terms, which is quite the double standard if you ask me.

Considering your sig, you're not exactly unbiased in your opinions.

Considering that both the people i was referring to (Serb and Luci) are both trans, it's not really related, if you ask me.
I was saying that it's a double standard for Serb not to use the correct terms, but will most definitely dislike it if someone were to do it to her.
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Furry Alairia and Algeria
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:25 pm

Kannap wrote:
Ugatoo wrote:Please name one form of socially acceptable rape in the US other than prison rape.


Rape culture isn't socially accepting that rape is okay. Rape culture is allowing rape to happen while saying it's wrong but not actually doing something to stop it.

Rape culture is when women who seek help after being raped are questioned about what they were wearing rather than who, when, or where the rape happened.

Rape culture is when people say, "She was asking for it." -- Nobody asks to be raped

Rape culture is when we teach our daughters, sisters, female friends, and other women we care about to be cautious around men and how to not get raped, rather than teaching our sons, brothers, male friends, and other men to simply not rape people.

Rape culture is when, in 31 states, rapists can legally sue for child custody if the rape results in a pregnancy.

Rape culture is when the surviving victim is so outcast, so ignored, so unhelped after being raped that they feel depressed, worthless, dirty, unwanted, broken, and lead the victim to committing suicide.

Nononononononono.

Please not here.

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:25 pm

Asmikland wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I wasn't talking about Lucipurr but rather about how some people who commit crimes get to be treated. Past is past, sure, but it has repercussions.

Yeah, that much is still true. I was more speaking of how a second chance is generally a good idea, rather than branding them as bad eternally. I mean, Seriously, Kray/luci was being good, last i checked, regardless of their previous assholery to become DoS.


Some people aren't deserving of a second chance. It really depends on the person, and furthermore, we don't have the full information about her prior activities, since that won't be released by Moderation, and naturally, is out of our hands.

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Ava Ire
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Postby Ava Ire » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:26 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Ava Ire wrote:Somebody inadvertently spoiled Jurassic World for me this past summer. And then she was like, "what, hasn't everyone seen it already?" Ooh! >:(


I always ask before I bring the subject up.

Same. Oh well... :/
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Barboneia
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Postby Barboneia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:26 pm

Asmikland wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I wasn't talking about Lucipurr but rather about how some people who commit crimes get to be treated. Past is past, sure, but it has repercussions.

Yeah, that much is still true. I was more speaking of how a second chance is generally a good idea, rather than branding them as bad eternally. I mean, Seriously, Kray/luci was being good, last i checked, regardless of their previous assholery to become DoS.

Plenty of DOS people have returned and acted good, such as Steamtopia, one who I had come to quite like. Them starting to be nice doesn't excuse the fact that they did some serious enough shit to be considered pretty much banned from the site.
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Ava Ire
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Postby Ava Ire » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:27 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Rape culture isn't socially accepting that rape is okay. Rape culture is allowing rape to happen while saying it's wrong but not actually doing something to stop it.

Rape culture is when women who seek help after being raped are questioned about what they were wearing rather than who, when, or where the rape happened.

Rape culture is when people say, "She was asking for it." -- Nobody asks to be raped

Rape culture is when we teach our daughters, sisters, female friends, and other women we care about to be cautious around men and how to not get raped, rather than teaching our sons, brothers, male friends, and other men to simply not rape people.

Rape culture is when, in 31 states, rapists can legally sue for child custody if the rape results in a pregnancy.

Rape culture is when the surviving victim is so outcast, so ignored, so unhelped after being raped that they feel depressed, worthless, dirty, unwanted, broken, and lead the victim to committing suicide.

Nononononononono.

Please not here.

Please. For the love of Jeezus and all else.

Too late. Already happened.
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Postby Asmikland » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:27 pm

Barboneia wrote:
Asmikland wrote:Yeah, that much is still true. I was more speaking of how a second chance is generally a good idea, rather than branding them as bad eternally. I mean, Seriously, Kray/luci was being good, last i checked, regardless of their previous assholery to become DoS.

Plenty of DOS people have returned and acted good, such as Steamtopia, one who I had come to quite like. Them starting to be nice doesn't excuse the fact that they did some serious enough shit to be considered pretty much banned from the site.

I've heard that it can be down to flaming enough, in a heated debate. Jumping to the conclusion that they're akin to a nazi, like people seem to be doing, is not a good idea.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:28 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I'm a Pepper, you're a Pepper, she's a Pepper...


Rah Rah Rah!


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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:29 pm

Asmikland wrote:
Barboneia wrote:Plenty of DOS people have returned and acted good, such as Steamtopia, one who I had come to quite like. Them starting to be nice doesn't excuse the fact that they did some serious enough shit to be considered pretty much banned from the site.

I've heard that it can be down to flaming enough, in a heated debate. Jumping to the conclusion that they're akin to a nazi, like people seem to be doing, is not a good idea.

I did that once and ended up with a 2 week ban.

Now I have a level warning of 0. "Thicker Skin" is key.
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Postby Abserdia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:29 pm

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Jochistan
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:29 pm

Ugatoo wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Really? Most of the dos people I've seen go were Dos'ed for just being assholes.

Which is entirely worthy of being banned depending on how far they go. but I wasn't aware most are guilty of felonies.

Since mods neither post a list of dos nations, the reasons why, and the fact that the decision is not just of one mod I'd assume they'd have had to of been more than assholes.

Sam Hyde was DoS'ed for that reason. As were a few others.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:30 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Rape culture isn't socially accepting that rape is okay. Rape culture is allowing rape to happen while saying it's wrong but not actually doing something to stop it.

Rape culture is when women who seek help after being raped are questioned about what they were wearing rather than who, when, or where the rape happened.

Rape culture is when people say, "She was asking for it." -- Nobody asks to be raped

Rape culture is when we teach our daughters, sisters, female friends, and other women we care about to be cautious around men and how to not get raped, rather than teaching our sons, brothers, male friends, and other men to simply not rape people.

Rape culture is when, in 31 states, rapists can legally sue for child custody if the rape results in a pregnancy.

Rape culture is when the surviving victim is so outcast, so ignored, so unhelped after being raped that they feel depressed, worthless, dirty, unwanted, broken, and lead the victim to committing suicide.

Nononononononono.

Please not here.

Please. For the love of Jeezus and all else.


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Postby Dog Bole » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:30 pm

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They jump no higher than 8 feet.

Don't have many of them this far north. Our trade off is highly flammable, semi-explosive shrubs.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:30 pm

Is Ugatoo really here on their anti-rape crusade? Like seriously, TET is for having a laugh, not a soapbox for someone's rants.
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Asmikland
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Postby Asmikland » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:30 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Asmikland wrote:I've heard that it can be down to flaming enough, in a heated debate. Jumping to the conclusion that they're akin to a nazi, like people seem to be doing, is not a good idea.

I did that once and ended up with a 2 week ban.

Now I have a level warning of 0. "Thicker Skin" is key.

Oh, that much i won't deny. I'm just saying, acting like they've committed a terrible crime or something, when it's possible it could be repeated smaller offences, and trying to shun them behind their back is totally despicable.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:31 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Is Ugatoo really here on their anti-rape crusade? Like seriously, TET is for having a laugh, not a soapbox for someone's rants.


I tell you, they dangle the bait and TET always bites.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:31 pm

Asmikland wrote:
Barboneia wrote:Plenty of DOS people have returned and acted good, such as Steamtopia, one who I had come to quite like. Them starting to be nice doesn't excuse the fact that they did some serious enough shit to be considered pretty much banned from the site.

I've heard that it can be down to flaming enough, in a heated debate. Jumping to the conclusion that they're akin to a nazi, like people seem to be doing, is not a good idea.


People who get a DoS order, are given many warnings and even small bans or other disciplinary actions many times before the final DoS. The exception are those who conduct, attempt to conduct, or encourage illegal activities on the site, or perform or partake in other malicious behaviours that far exceed simple trolling, flaming, or other petty offences such as scamming, extortion, explicit harassment et cetera.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:31 pm

Asmikland wrote:
Ugatoo wrote:Considering your sig, you're not exactly unbiased in your opinions.

Considering that both the people i was referring to (Serb and Luci) are both trans, it's not really related, if you ask me.
I was saying that it's a double standard for Serb not to use the correct terms, but will most definitely dislike it if someone were to do it to her.

I sometimes forget, Jello.

And as long as I look somewhat male; I don't get pissed off at being misgendered in real life. The voice hasn't really been good enough to pass and my forehead screams male.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:31 pm

Barboneia wrote:
Asmikland wrote:Yeah, that much is still true. I was more speaking of how a second chance is generally a good idea, rather than branding them as bad eternally. I mean, Seriously, Kray/luci was being good, last i checked, regardless of their previous assholery to become DoS.

Plenty of DOS people have returned and acted good, such as Steamtopia, one who I had come to quite like. Them starting to be nice doesn't excuse the fact that they did some serious enough shit to be considered pretty much banned from the site.


He wasn't acting good in his return, his return was actually breaking site rules and thus is the opposite of acting good.
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Furry Alairia and Algeria
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:31 pm

Kannap wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Nononononononono.

Please not here.

Please. For the love of Jeezus and all else.


It is my duty to try to defeat ignorance one person at a time.

No. Stop.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:32 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Rah Rah Rah!


Cherry Dr. Pepper is the bomb, yo.


I'm going to marry you.

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Postby Barboneia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:32 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Ugatoo wrote:Since mods neither post a list of dos nations, the reasons why, and the fact that the decision is not just of one mod I'd assume they'd have had to of been more than assholes.

Sam Hyde was DoS'ed for that reason. As were a few others.

Despite how much of a jerk he was, I liked him. I talked to him a lot, especially near when he was going to get DEAT'd again. He even sent me a TG from a puppet of his, right before that got DEAT'd, too, that basically said "thanks for being there". Really hit me hard.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:32 pm

Dog Bole wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:They jump no higher than 8 feet.

Don't have many of them this far north. Our trade off is highly flammable, semi-explosive shrubs.

What kind of shrub is that? Chaparral?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:32 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Cherry Dr. Pepper is the bomb, yo.


I'm going to marry you.


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Postby Abserdia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:33 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Asmikland wrote:Considering that both the people i was referring to (Serb and Luci) are both trans, it's not really related, if you ask me.
I was saying that it's a double standard for Serb not to use the correct terms, but will most definitely dislike it if someone were to do it to her.

I sometimes forget, Jello.

And as long as I look somewhat male; I don't get pissed off at being misgendered in real life. The voice hasn't really been good enough to pass and my forehead screams male.

I'm just imagining your forehead having a mouth that screams "MALE!" every time someone walks by.
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