Pig Head Thrown at Philadelphia Mosque

[Jochistan]

Could've been worse. Hope it doesn't get any worse.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I wonder what weasel tastes like.

Crotch.

This is NSG. You think that answer is going to help most people here?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Disgusting. Could we all just leave all religions alone?

As soon as religions leave me alone I'll return the favour.

Maybe after the last of humanity is dead since our inherent irrationality is going nowhere.

[Herskerstad]

Probably littering fines could be brought forward, significant even, hopefully enough to plea-bargain it down to some community service.

Alternatively, bioterrorism charges and the death penalty pleaded down to life without parole.

Judge: So . . .Scarecrow, you think you can frighten this righteous city with your newest chemical weapons?

Defendant: But your honor! My name is John B Green, not scarecrow, and it was not a chemical weapon, just something to show my disdain of this backwards religion. . .

Judge: Shut it Crane, you should be thankful you're not given the chair . . . today. May your nightmares be as dark as your heart in your new home, a 12 by 9 cell. Guards, take him away!

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Alternatively, bioterrorism charges and the death penalty pleaded down to life without parole.

Judge: So . . .Scarecrow, you think you can frighten this righteous city with your newest chemical weapons?

Defendant: But your honor! My name is John B Green, not scarecrow, and it was not a chemical weapon, just something to show my disdain of this backwards religion. . .

Judge: Shut it Crane, you should be thankful you're not given the chair . . . today. May your nightmares be as dark as your heart in your new home, a 12 by 9 cell. Guards, take him away!

You'd be okay with me, say, hanging an effigy of Christ outside a church, then? Because Christianity is backward and outdated?

[Litorea]

Indicative of the rising fury of many people in the West at the perceived failure of their political representatives to resolve what is seen to be a threat to cultural and national integrity.

Not a very helpful gesture, but not one we ought consider unlikely.

Yes they are doing it because Obama isn't protecting the US well enough and not because they are ignorant bigots who were just looking for an excuse.

Yes, because it's not like people are complex beings with complex motivations. They're just bigots, and nothing but bigots! They eat, drink, breathe, and speak bigot!

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Judge: So . . .Scarecrow, you think you can frighten this righteous city with your newest chemical weapons?

Defendant: But your honor! My name is John B Green, not scarecrow, and it was not a chemical weapon, just something to show my disdain of this backwards religion. . .

Judge: Shut it Crane, you should be thankful you're not given the chair . . . today. May your nightmares be as dark as your heart in your new home, a 12 by 9 cell. Guards, take him away!

You'd be okay with me, say, hanging an effigy of Christ outside a church, then? Because Christianity is backward and outdated?

How incredibly stupid.

The effigy would be gone in three days due to resurrection.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You'd be okay with me, say, hanging an effigy of Christ outside a church, then? Because Christianity is backward and outdated?

How incredibly stupid.

The effigy would be gone in three days due to resurrection.

Not if you don't put him in a tomb. If they'd just left him up there for the birds to pick clean, maybe we wouldn't be in this religious mess.

[Herskerstad]

Judge: So . . .Scarecrow, you think you can frighten this righteous city with your newest chemical weapons?

Defendant: But your honor! My name is John B Green, not scarecrow, and it was not a chemical weapon, just something to show my disdain of this backwards religion. . .

Judge: Shut it Crane, you should be thankful you're not given the chair . . . today. May your nightmares be as dark as your heart in your new home, a 12 by 9 cell. Guards, take him away!

You'd be okay with me, say, hanging an effigy of Christ outside a church, then? Because Christianity is backward and outdated?

What I'd think of you would be largely irrelevant. The law however . . really depends on the display itself? Does it insight violence against any groups? Is it on the public land or the property of the church itself? In regards to the prior position I've said that the most likely thing that one could be prosecuted for is littering. I doubt a threat would stick come the court. And hopefully the offender would have to do some community service alongside a significant fine. But you'd know that if you read the prior posts.

[The Alma Mater]

Being a dick is not illegal
Explain to me what was vandalized

i'm farily sure that attempted would also come under it

we should probably establish that even if being a dick not illegal and nothing was vandalized throwing pigs heads away on the street is not legal

Donating food at a house of worship near Christmas time is not legal ?

*wonders how a judge would respond to that*

[Gauthier]

i'm farily sure that attempted would also come under it

we should probably establish that even if being a dick not illegal and nothing was vandalized throwing pigs heads away on the street is not legal

Donating food at a house of worship near Christmas time is not legal ?

*wonders how a judge would respond to that*

And then setting Muslims on fire can be called Keeping the Devout Warm. *nod nod*

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

i'm farily sure that attempted would also come under it

we should probably establish that even if being a dick not illegal and nothing was vandalized throwing pigs heads away on the street is not legal

Donating food at a house of worship near Christmas time is not legal ?

*wonders how a judge would respond to that*

Well for one just on legitimate sanitary reasons alone you shouldn't be eating meat tossed out in the open. So I suppose it could count as bad attempt at slighted humor turned health hazard.

[The Alma Mater]

Donating food at a house of worship near Christmas time is not legal ?

*wonders how a judge would respond to that*

And then setting Muslims on fire can be called Keeping the Devout Warm. *nod nod*

Exactly It is winter time after all.

[Gauthier]

And then setting Muslims on fire can be called Keeping the Devout Warm. *nod nod*

Exactly It is winter time after all.

"It was just an accident that the Muslims and the mosque caught fire and burnt down Your Honor. It's not arson."

[Crockerland]

Donating food at a house of worship near Christmas time is not legal ?

*wonders how a judge would respond to that*

And then setting Muslims on fire can be called Keeping the Devout Warm. *nod nod*

Bukhari 11:626
The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

[Tafhan]

And then setting Muslims on fire can be called Keeping the Devout Warm. *nod nod*

Bukhari 11:626
The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

Ah yes. The Hadith. Written 200 years after Muhammad died. Carried exclusively towards claims people had about ancestors literally hearing from a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who heard Muhammad say (blank). Collected from Isolated provincials and judged based on the apparent merit of the people giving the testimonials .

Seems fookin legit m8.

By the way, Most Muslims are about as aware of "narrations" like that as Christians are about God telling sinners to eat the flesh of their enemies children or stone their disobedient kids in the OT.

[Jochistan]

And then setting Muslims on fire can be called Keeping the Devout Warm. *nod nod*

Bukhari 11:626
The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

The Hadith are not uncommonly corrupted, apocryphal and very contradictory. Made to be argued over. And yes, they had begun to be written 200 years after Muhammad died. I really wouldn't advise using them as a historical source.

That Hadith in particular has a couple weak sahabi in the narration and is not accepted as trustworthy by most historians of Muhammad, religious or secular, or the few that have heard of it. And Contradicts several other Hadith that it is Haram to kill or harrass any believer no matter how unobservant. And Contradicts the Qur'anic verse of "No compulsion within the deen (religion)" (2:256) which is an instant disqualification as Hadith go.

It also contradicts the Books of the Histories of Muhammad outside the Hadith (Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Kathir, Abu Nu'aym Ibn Hisham, Al Tabari) The Complete History of Muhammad's Life based on the earliest sources. Which don't detail a single order of the sort taking place.

Also, worth mentioning, that Hadith does not appear in the rulings of any of the Books of fiqh.

I've talked about that Hadith too. Some Arabic brothers I've met say that it's mistranslated (by Mohsin Khan and other translators of Bukhari) and that "The purpose is not to burn the house, the purpose is to show the level of sin of skipping prayers on purpose".

Which I think is a stretch. I think that it's just a corrupt Hadith that goes against the Qur'an and the Sunnah. And seems pretty uncharacteristic of Muhammad based on 90% of the other Hadith on the subject of prayer and religious compulsion.

And, actually the Hadith were written 200 years after the 4th caliph after Muhammad died. And were essentially made to be argued over.

[Gauthier]

Ah yes. The Hadith. Written 200 years after Muhammad died. Carried exclusively towards claims people had about ancestors literally hearing from a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who heard Muhammad say (blank). Collected from Isolated provincials and judged based on the apparent merit of the people giving the testimonials .

Seems fookin legit m8.

By the way, Most Muslims are about as aware of "narrations" like that as Christians are about God telling sinners to eat the flesh of their enemies children or stone their disobedient kids in the OT.

The Hadith are not uncommonly corrupted, apocryphal and very contradictory. Made to be argued over. And yes, they had begun to be written 200 years after Muhammad died. I really wouldn't advise using them as a historical source.

That Hadith in particular has a couple weak sahabi in the narration and is not accepted as trustworthy by most historians of Muhammad, religious or secular, or the few that have heard of it. And Contradicts several other Hadith that it is Haram to kill or harrass any believer no matter how unobservant. And Contradicts the Qur'anic verse of "No compulsion within the deen (religion)" (2:256) which is an instant disqualification as Hadith go.

It also contradicts the Books of the Histories of Muhammad outside the Hadith (Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Kathir, Abu Nu'aym Ibn Hisham, Al Tabari) The Complete History of Muhammad's Life based on the earliest sources. Which don't detail a single order of the sort taking place.

Also, worth mentioning, that Hadith does not appear in the rulings of any of the Books of fiqh.

I've talked about that Hadith too. Some Arabic brothers I've met say that it's mistranslated (by Mohsin Khan and other translators of Bukhari) and that "The purpose is not to burn the house, the purpose is to show the level of sin of skipping prayers on purpose".

Which I think is a stretch. I think that it's just a corrupt Hadith that goes against the Qur'an and the Sunnah. And seems pretty uncharacteristic of Muhammad based on 90% of the other Hadith on the subject of prayer and religious compulsion.

And, actually the Hadith were written 200 years after the 4th caliph after Muhammad died. And were essentially made to be argued over.

At this point The Onion could write a satirical article "exposing" Muslims as cultists trying to revive Cthulhu when The Stars Are Right and people would still source it as a legitimate piece to denounce all Muslims.

[Ifreann]

Ah yes. The Hadith. Written 200 years after Muhammad died. Carried exclusively towards claims people had about ancestors literally hearing from a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who heard Muhammad say (blank). Collected from Isolated provincials and judged based on the apparent merit of the people giving the testimonials .

Seems fookin legit m8.

By the way, Most Muslims are about as aware of "narrations" like that as Christians are about God telling sinners to eat the flesh of their enemies children or stone their disobedient kids in the OT.

The Hadith are not uncommonly corrupted, apocryphal and very contradictory. Made to be argued over. And yes, they had begun to be written 200 years after Muhammad died. I really wouldn't advise using them as a historical source.

That Hadith in particular has a couple weak sahabi in the narration and is not accepted as trustworthy by most historians of Muhammad, religious or secular, or the few that have heard of it. And Contradicts several other Hadith that it is Haram to kill or harrass any believer no matter how unobservant. And Contradicts the Qur'anic verse of "No compulsion within the deen (religion)" (2:256) which is an instant disqualification as Hadith go.

It also contradicts the Books of the Histories of Muhammad outside the Hadith (Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Kathir, Abu Nu'aym Ibn Hisham, Al Tabari) The Complete History of Muhammad's Life based on the earliest sources. Which don't detail a single order of the sort taking place.

Also, worth mentioning, that Hadith does not appear in the rulings of any of the Books of fiqh.

I've talked about that Hadith too. Some Arabic brothers I've met say that it's mistranslated (by Mohsin Khan and other translators of Bukhari) and that "The purpose is not to burn the house, the purpose is to show the level of sin of skipping prayers on purpose".

Which I think is a stretch. I think that it's just a corrupt Hadith that goes against the Qur'an and the Sunnah. And seems pretty uncharacteristic of Muhammad based on 90% of the other Hadith on the subject of prayer and religious compulsion.

And, actually the Hadith were written 200 years after the 4th caliph after Muhammad died. And were essentially made to be argued over.

At this point The Onion could write a satirical article "exposing" Muslims as cultists trying to revive Cthulhu when The Stars Are Right and people would still source it as a legitimate piece to denounce all Muslims.

Well, who could blame Muslims for trying to revive Cthulhu? Cultists get eaten first, and we can expect no more mercy than that.

[The Alma Mater]

At this point The Onion could write a satirical article "exposing" Muslims as cultists trying to revive Cthulhu when The Stars Are Right and people would still source it as a legitimate piece to denounce all Muslims.

Well, the Kitab al-Azif was written by a "mad Arab" if you recall

[Gauthier]

At this point The Onion could write a satirical article "exposing" Muslims as cultists trying to revive Cthulhu when The Stars Are Right and people would still source it as a legitimate piece to denounce all Muslims.

Well, who could blame Muslims for trying to revive Cthulhu? Cultists get eaten first, and we can expect no more mercy than that.

Wait, I thought getting eaten last was the mercy.

[Esternial]

Throw the head in the trash, never mention this incident ever again and don't give the people that did it the gratification of having their infantile shit making the news.

[Ifreann]

Well, who could blame Muslims for trying to revive Cthulhu? Cultists get eaten first, and we can expect no more mercy than that.

Wait, I thought getting eaten last was the mercy.

Quite the opposite. Think about it, if you get eaten last, that means you have the spend the longest amount of time alive with Cthulu going around eating people. Better to get eaten quickly.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, who could blame Muslims for trying to revive Cthulhu? Cultists get eaten first, and we can expect no more mercy than that.

Wait, I thought getting eaten last was the mercy.

No, first. So that you do not have to see your loved ones suffer.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Well at-least it wasn't deadly...
(Note to terrorists, this is how western savages protest, not beheading.)