National Front rise in France

[Kraylandia]

Besides, i doubt anything by and large will happen if FN will take power.

Probably not.

[Geilinor]

Increased immigration aside, a retirement age of 62 is outdated and not helping anyone. 65 is fair and can be funded with an aging population.

Sounds like random numbers to me, but if someone was to raise my retirement age while spending money on immigrants and cutting my social services, guess which party I'm not voting for?

http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/archivestory.php/aid/824/Retiring_later_makes_sense.html
http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/eu-search-retirement-age-formula-news-510897

[The balkens]

Besides, i doubt anything by and large will happen if FN will take power.

Probably not.

I could only see it as a small thorn for the EU Parliament, thats IF the FN can win.

[Liriena]

With all due respect to the French voters... while this is hardly shocking, it's still very disappointing. I'm sure the French socialists have made their fair share of mistakes over the past few years, but that does not excuse voting for a party with the Front National's history. Marine Le Pen might have spent the past couple of years trying to make his party look a bit less repulsive to people who are not unabashed bigots, but she can't erase the heinous things her family and fellow Front National members have said ever since the party's foundation.

[The New Sea Territory]

Disgusting.

[Kraylandia]

With all due respect to the French voters... while this is hardly shocking, it's still very disappointing. I'm sure the French socialists have made their fair share of mistakes over the past few years, but that does not excuse voting for a party with the Front National's history. Marine Le Pen might have spent the past couple of years trying to make his party look a bit less repulsive to people who are not unabashed bigots, but she can't erase the heinous things her family and fellow Front National members have said ever since the party's foundation.

but that does not excuse voting for a party with the Front National's history

They don't have to be excused for voting for someone that you disagree with. That's democracy for you, if the FN win then it's because the majority of the French people obviously wanted that.

[Kazirstan]

Great. Absolutely fantastic. /s

Why don't people understand that these knee-jerk reactions to radicalism will only make the problem worse? It doesn't take too much brain power to deduce that further ostracising minority populations will only make them more susceptible to radicalising influences.

[Shofercia]

I mean, if i were some Vatnik in Moscow id cream over having some Far right asshat take power in EU countries for the sake of Fucking the EU.

What does someone in Moscow have to do with a thread on National Front in France? You're trying way too hard to get vengeance here, and it's extraordinarily hilarious.

Sounds like random numbers to me, but if someone was to raise my retirement age while spending money on immigrants and cutting my social services, guess which party I'm not voting for?

http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/archivestory.php/aid/824/Retiring_later_makes_sense.html
http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope/eu-search-retirement-age-formula-news-510897

Again, we're talking about reactions of the French voters. People vote based on perception. Furthermore, if for all of my life, I was told that I'd retire at 62, and now some president tells me that's not the case, again, that's 3 more years that I have to work, instead of travel, enjoy leisure time, etc, so guess who I'm not voting for? That guy. On a personal level, I don't care about retirement age, because, once I graduated and started working, I set up my own retirement plan.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Disgusting.

That's democracy for you, people aren't satisfied with the socialists so they're going to look elsewhere.

[Geilinor]

With all due respect to the French voters... while this is hardly shocking, it's still very disappointing. I'm sure the French socialists have made their fair share of mistakes over the past few years, but that does not excuse voting for a party with the Front National's history. Marine Le Pen might have spent the past couple of years trying to make his party look a bit less repulsive to people who are not unabashed bigots, but she can't erase the heinous things her family and fellow Front National members have said ever since the party's foundation.

but that does not excuse voting for a party with the Front National's history

They don't have to be excused for voting for someone that you disagree with. That's democracy for you, if the FN win then it's because the majority of the French people obviously wanted that.

The FN got 30% in the first round of regional elections, everyone needs to cool their jets. They didn't get a majority anywhere.

[The Alexanderians]

Well I can't say I didn't expect this. Radicals usually generate knee jerk reactions from Western nations, on some level I was hoping France would prove me wrong.

[Shofercia]

Great. Absolutely fantastic. /s

Why don't people understand that these knee-jerk reactions to radicalism will only make the problem worse? It doesn't take too much brain power to deduce that further ostracising minority populations will only make them more susceptible to radicalising influences.

You mean like the EU bureaucrats ostracizing the nationalists from political decision making, only to have these people vote for radical parties like the Front National?

[Kraylandia]

The FN got 30% in the first round of regional elections, everyone needs to cool their jets. They didn't get a majority anywhere.

Well yeah, but it obviously shows that a pretty large amount of people are not satisfied with the current party so they're looking elsewhere. Now it's unlikely that FN will ever be the ruling party but it is most definitely possible, especially if the whole Islamic issue gets any worse.

[The New Sea Territory]

Disgusting.

That's democracy for you, people aren't satisfied with the socialists so they're going to look elsewhere.

A more accurate term would be reformist asshats.

Still, I don't give a fuck about what ignorant bigots think they want but really aren't sure about, supporting the National Front is inexcusable.

[Shofercia]

That's democracy for you, people aren't satisfied with the socialists so they're going to look elsewhere.

A more accurate term would be reformist asshats.

Still, I don't give a fuck about what ignorant bigots think they want but really aren't sure about, supporting the National Front is inexcusable.

They think it is. Again, voting is based on perception.

[The New Sea Territory]

They don't have to be excused for voting for someone that you disagree with. That's democracy for you, if the FN win then it's because the majority of the French people obviously wanted that.

The FN got 30% in the first round of regional elections, everyone needs to cool their jets. They didn't get a majority anywhere.

That's still significant enough to were organized anti-fascist action is merited.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

With all due respect to the French voters... while this is hardly shocking, it's still very disappointing. I'm sure the French socialists have made their fair share of mistakes over the past few years, but that does not excuse voting for a party with the Front National's history. Marine Le Pen might have spent the past couple of years trying to make his party look a bit less repulsive to people who are not unabashed bigots, but she can't erase the heinous things her family and fellow Front National members have said ever since the party's foundation.

but that does not excuse voting for a party with the Front National's history

They don't have to be excused for voting for someone that you disagree with. That's democracy for you, if the FN win then it's because the majority of the French people obviously wanted that.

Which doesn't mean that what they want is the right thing however. And yes, a party's track record and history should be taken into account before one supports it. In the case of Front Nationale, and Marine Le Pen, it is rather unfortunate that people ignore the nasty things she's said and the radical decisions the party has made, in what seems a detriment to France and its people, in the name of a dangerous ideology. And this is not because I happen to disagree with FN's platform. It is something that can be appreciated in history.

Remember Mussolini's Italy, or Francoist Spain. And sure, god winning it, Nazi Germany. I'm not comparing FN to them (it is hardly at that level), but they are clear evidence of what can happen to a nation that buys into the nationalist agenda and forgets accountability.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Well this is very interesting.

[The balkens]

I mean, if i were some Vatnik in Moscow id cream over having some Far right asshat take power in EU countries for the sake of Fucking the EU.

What does someone in Moscow have to do with a thread on National Front in France? You're trying way too hard to get vengeance here, and it's extraordinarily hilarious.

Shof confirmed for blind in right eye.

Take left eye and read bolded.

Repeat if necessary.

[Geilinor]

That's democracy for you, people aren't satisfied with the socialists so they're going to look elsewhere.

A more accurate term would be reformist asshats.

Still, I don't give a fuck about what ignorant bigots think they want but really aren't sure about, supporting the National Front is inexcusable.

Don't get me wrong, the FN is terrible, but the voters aren't going to be excusing themselves to you.

[The New Sea Territory]

A more accurate term would be reformist asshats.

Still, I don't give a fuck about what ignorant bigots think they want but really aren't sure about, supporting the National Front is inexcusable.

Then give the Frenchmen who despise EU another alternative.

Even if there is no other alternative, there is no justification for supporting them.

[Shofercia]

What does someone in Moscow have to do with a thread on National Front in France? You're trying way too hard to get vengeance here, and it's extraordinarily hilarious.

Shof confirmed for blind in right eye.

Take left eye and read bolded.

Repeat if necessary.

My point is that an individual Muscovite's opinion is irrelevant to the topic being discussed in the thread. I thought it was crystal clear, but apparently not to those seeking vengeance over a forum loss on NSG.

[Unnamed island state]

Don't turn the thread into "a putin apologeticist''s view on french politics."

It's not too hard to ignore posts with that intention.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's democracy for you, people aren't satisfied with the socialists so they're going to look elsewhere.

A more accurate term would be reformist asshats.

Still, I don't give a fuck about what ignorant bigots think they want but really aren't sure about, supporting the National Front is inexcusable.

How is it inexcusable? A fairly large number of people evidently aren't happy with how things are currently so they're looking elsewhere.

The FN got 30% in the first round of regional elections, everyone needs to cool their jets. They didn't get a majority anywhere.

That's still significant enough to were organized anti-fascist action is merited.

Please tell, what does "organized anti-fascist action" entail?

[Shofercia]

Don't turn the thread into "a putin apologeticist''s view on french politics."

It's not too hard to ignore posts with that intention.

Another poster here for namecalling, wow, this is just sad. And as I've told you before, if you want to ignore my posts, by all means, go forth and do so.