Being triggered has nothing to do with being offended.

[Exelia]

It was admittedly hard to get to the actual point.

There is some truth there, though. But it isn't fair to say it is only millennials. There's people of my generation (I was born in the 80s) who also try not to be held accountable for the mistakes they make. Who make excuses and whine. I think this is more a symptom of our society as it is today, than it is of particular generations.

It is a symptom of literally every person and is no more common than it has been. Mass media is now more common, so people can complain more now to actual audiences.

[USS Monitor]

Or read this. I've seen people claim that reading about affirmative action triggers them.

Yet again something confined to college campuses.

It used to be much less common, even on college campuses.

Considering how many people are going to college these days, I think it is important to look at what is happening on college campuses. College is no longer some obscure thing that only a handful of rich nerds bother to attend. It's becoming more and more part of ordinary people's experience.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

There is some truth there, though. But it isn't fair to say it is only millennials. There's people of my generation (I was born in the 80s) who also try not to be held accountable for the mistakes they make. Who make excuses and whine. I think this is more a symptom of our society as it is today, than it is of particular generations.

It is a symptom of literally every person and is no more common than it has been. Mass media is now more common, so people can complain more now to actual audiences.

Social media makes certain discussions more accessible to people, from all walks of life.

I don't care for trigger or content warnings. I don't want to be coddled or swathed. I don't want to be treated like a victim. That being said, this is just me. I see the purpose of them. I just would like to see them used as what they were designed for and not as a tool to stop discussion on a given subject.

[Exelia]

It used to be much less common, even on college campuses.

I mean, do you have any evidence but anecdotes?

Considering how many people are going to college these days, I think it is important to look at what is happening on college campuses. College is no longer some obscure thing that only a handful of rich nerds bother to attend. It's becoming more and more part of ordinary people's experience.

More and more, but the vast majority of people never actually get their degrees.

[Exelia]

Social media makes certain discussions more accessible to people, from all walks of life.

I don't care for trigger or content warnings. I don't want to be coddled or swathed. I don't want to be treated like a victim. That being said, this is just me. I see the purpose of them. I just would like to see them used as what they were designed for and not as a tool to stop discussion on a given subject.

The movement against trigger warnings is far more common and annoying that the trigger warnings.

When was the last time someone stopped a conversation with you because they were "triggered"? Never? Neither for me. But I don't put up with unfunny memes and circlejerks about the SJW menace all the fucking time.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Social media makes certain discussions more accessible to people, from all walks of life.

I don't care for trigger or content warnings. I don't want to be coddled or swathed. I don't want to be treated like a victim. That being said, this is just me. I see the purpose of them. I just would like to see them used as what they were designed for and not as a tool to stop discussion on a given subject.

The movement against trigger warnings is far more common and annoying that the trigger warnings.

When was the last time someone stopped a conversation with you because they were "triggered"? Never? Neither for me. But I don't put up with unfunny memes and circlejerks about the SJW menace all the fucking time.

Actually, I have been in that situation more than once. Both online and with friends. People who refused to address a particular subject because they had been triggered.

[Exelia]

The movement against trigger warnings is far more common and annoying that the trigger warnings.

When was the last time someone stopped a conversation with you because they were "triggered"? Never? Neither for me. But I don't put up with unfunny memes and circlejerks about the SJW menace all the fucking time.

Actually, I have been in that situation more than once. Both online and with friends. People who refused to address a particular subject because they had been triggered.

What was the subject? And did they actually say they were triggered.

Also, did you seek these people out, because that has been the only time I've actually found any.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Actually, I have been in that situation more than once. Both online and with friends. People who refused to address a particular subject because they had been triggered.

What was the subject? And did they actually say they were triggered.

Also, did you seek these people out, because that has been the only time I've actually found any.

Domestic violence. I was told that no, they wanted to stop discussing the subject because they had PTSD (they were domestic abuse survivors). And I obliged. Another time was with rape. The girl had a flashback right in front of me. I didn't seek them out, they were both friends of mine from university.

[Exelia]

Domestic violence. I was told that no, they wanted to stop discussing the subject because they had PTSD (they were domestic abuse survivors).

And I obliged. Another time was with rape. The girl had a flashback right in front of me. I didn't seek them out, they were both friends of mine from university.

I thought the idea here was we were talking people who didn't actually suffer tragedies.

Why exactly to expect a rape survivor to want to talk about rape when they still clearly haven't gotten over it? This is also not a uniquely millennial trait, and is not at all who Nan or the internet circlejerk is talking about.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Domestic violence. I was told that no, they wanted to stop discussing the subject because they had PTSD (they were domestic abuse survivors).

And I obliged. Another time was with rape. The girl had a flashback right in front of me. I didn't seek them out, they were both friends of mine from university.

I thought the idea here was we were talking people who didn't actually suffer tragedies.

Why exactly to expect a rape survivor to want to talk about rape when they still clearly haven't gotten over it? This is also not a uniquely millennial trait, and is not at all who Nan or the internet circlejerk is talking about.

I'm talking about my experience with people who have been triggered. I am not talking about Nathicana's experience. I'll let her do that herself if she so wishes.

My friend brought it up, we were talking about, and she had the flashback.

[USS Monitor]

It used to be much less common, even on college campuses.

I mean, do you have any evidence but anecdotes?

When the topic is "what the world was like 20 years ago," and someone is old enough to remember it, anecdotal evidence is perfectly legit. I literally never saw a trigger warning the entire time I was in college, and I was there for 4 years. Things like TV shows would sometimes have a warning that they contained "content which may be disturbing to some viewers," and we had movie ratings, but college courses didn't come with trigger warnings. Incidentally, there was also no rating system for video games. This isn't to say that nobody was concerned about violent video games, or that nobody was ever critical of college courses, simply that they did not come with warning labels.

People that work in academia are talking about the trigger warnings as a new phenomenon, and I haven't seen any evidence that they were widespread in the 20th century. What reason do you have to believe that the trigger warnings were always there?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I mean, do you have any evidence but anecdotes?

When the topic is "what the world was like 20 years ago," and someone is old enough to remember it, anecdotal evidence is perfectly legit. I literally never saw a trigger warning the entire time I was in college, and I was there for 4 years. Things like TV shows would sometimes have a warning that they contained "content which may be disturbing to some viewers," and we had movie ratings, but college courses didn't come with trigger warnings. Incidentally, there was also no rating system for video games. This isn't to say that nobody was concerned about violent video games, or that nobody was ever critical of college courses, simply that they did not come with warning labels.

People that work in academia are talking about the trigger warnings as a new phenomenon, and I haven't seen any evidence that they were widespread in the 20th century. What reason do you have to believe that the trigger warnings were always there?

As someone who went to university between 1998 and 2003, I do not recall trigger warnings being present in course material or a syllabus.

[Exelia]

When the topic is "what the world was like 20 years ago," and someone is old enough to remember it, anecdotal evidence is perfectly legit.

"Back in my day women knew how to be women." - My Great Uncle

I literally never saw a trigger warning the entire time I was in college, and I was there for 4 years. Things like TV shows would sometimes have a warning that they contained "content which may be disturbing to some viewers," and we had movie ratings, but college courses didn't come with trigger warnings. Incidentally, there was also no rating system for video games. This isn't to say that nobody was concerned about violent video games, or that nobody was ever critical of college courses, simply that they did not come with warning labels.

What the hell does this have to do with triggering. TV shows don't have "trigger warnings", they still have the "disturbing content" warning. Video games weren't popular enough to even be considered a real product to be sold.

People that work in academia are talking about the trigger warnings as a new phenomenon,

Unless you name them their about a reliable as my Great Uncle.

and I haven't seen any evidence that they were widespread in the 20th century.

I mean, they aren't even widespread now.

What reason do you have to believe that the trigger warnings were always there?

I don't think they were always there. I think people always complained. I think trigger warnings are so obscure and common they don't even need to be talked about.

[Exelia]

I thought the idea here was we were talking people who didn't actually suffer tragedies.

Why exactly to expect a rape survivor to want to talk about rape when they still clearly haven't gotten over it? This is also not a uniquely millennial trait, and is not at all who Nan or the internet circlejerk is talking about.

I'm talking about my experience with people who have been triggered. I am not talking about Nathicana's experience. I'll let her do that herself if she so wishes.

My friend brought it up, we were talking about, and she had the flashback.

I am fairly certain having PTSD triggers has existed as long PTSD has existed.

That is kind of what PTSD is about.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm talking about my experience with people who have been triggered. I am not talking about Nathicana's experience. I'll let her do that herself if she so wishes.

My friend brought it up, we were talking about, and she had the flashback.

I am fairly certain having PTSD triggers has existed as long PTSD has existed.

That is kind of what PTSD is about.

No one is contesting that.

[Exelia]

I am fairly certain having PTSD triggers has existed as long PTSD has existed.

That is kind of what PTSD is about.

No one is contesting that.

So then what relevance does your experience have to the discussion at hand? I am glad you have met people with PTSD.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No one is contesting that.

So then what relevance does your experience have to the discussion at hand? I am glad you have met people with PTSD.

You asked if I met people who have been triggered, didn't you? And I obliged by telling you that yes I did and under what circumstances. Therein lies the relevance. You asked a question and I answered it.

[Exelia]

So then what relevance does your experience have to the discussion at hand? I am glad you have met people with PTSD.

You asked if I met people who have been triggered, didn't you? And I obliged by telling you that yes I did and under what circumstances. Therein lies the relevance. You asked a question and I answered it.

I asked you ever met anyone who ever used it to try to shut down a conversation. Not if they legitimately were suffering flashbacks.

Come on now, we both knew this.

[Socialist Czechia]

'Political correctness' is just another term for 'Newspeak'

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel libdem.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You asked if I met people who have been triggered, didn't you? And I obliged by telling you that yes I did and under what circumstances. Therein lies the relevance. You asked a question and I answered it.

I asked you ever met anyone who ever used it to try to shut down a conversation. Not if they legitimately were suffering flashbacks.

Come on now, we both knew this.

I have met people like that too. Someone who went apeshit with me for discussing calories in food. He was angry because talk of caloric intake made him think he was fat and wouldn't talk about it. He wasn't fat by any stretch of the word, but had something about fat shaming. When I asked why he was so angry, he went on a tirade on how I was part of a problem and how he wouldn't talk to me because I was body shaming him.

He wasn't overweight and had never been overweight. He didn't suffer from PTSD or anything else. That you haven't met someone like that doesn't mean these people do not exist or reside solely within college campuses or in online fora.

[Exelia]

I asked you ever met anyone who ever used it to try to shut down a conversation. Not if they legitimately were suffering flashbacks.

Come on now, we both knew this.

I have met people like that too. Someone who went apeshit with me for discussing calories in food. He was angry because talk of caloric intake made him think he was fat and wouldn't talk about it. He wasn't fat by any stretch of the word, but had something about fat shaming. When I asked why he was so angry, he went on a tirade on how I was part of a problem and how he wouldn't talk to me because I was body shaming him.

He wasn't overweight and had never been overweight. He didn't suffer from PTSD or anything else. That you haven't met someone like that doesn't mean these people do not exist or reside solely within college campuses or in online fora.

I mean, we're both using anecdotes here. I've never met one, ever, and when you trying to claim anecdotes are somehow just as valid as scientific date - then we have a problem when they conflict like this.

That is why I am asking where you people think there is any actual study proving this before we pass judgement on an entire generation.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have met people like that too. Someone who went apeshit with me for discussing calories in food. He was angry because talk of caloric intake made him think he was fat and wouldn't talk about it. He wasn't fat by any stretch of the word, but had something about fat shaming. When I asked why he was so angry, he went on a tirade on how I was part of a problem and how he wouldn't talk to me because I was body shaming him.

He wasn't overweight and had never been overweight. He didn't suffer from PTSD or anything else. That you haven't met someone like that doesn't mean these people do not exist or reside solely within college campuses or in online fora.

I mean, we're both using anecdotes here. I've never met one, ever, and when you trying to claim anecdotes are somehow just as valid as scientific date - then we have a problem when they conflict like this.

That is why I am asking where you people think there is any actual study proving this before we pass judgement on an entire generation.

Let me ask you this one last time, am I passing judgement on an entire generation or are you aware that I have said, more than once, that no, it is not a generational thing? As for scientific evidence on the subject, no idea. Search for it.

Anecdotes is all I have. Take them or leave them.

[Exelia]

I mean, we're both using anecdotes here. I've never met one, ever, and when you trying to claim anecdotes are somehow just as valid as scientific date - then we have a problem when they conflict like this.

That is why I am asking where you people think there is any actual study proving this before we pass judgement on an entire generation.

Let me ask you this one last time, am I passing judgement on an entire generation or are you aware that I have said, more than once, that no, it is not a generational thing? As for scientific evidence on the subject, no idea. Search for it.

Anecdotes is all I have. Take them or leave them.

Then I'm attacking an argument you aren't making and this is directed at Nan and USS Moniter.

[Bill Cosby Island]

This thread triggers me.

[Hirota]

People were talking about PTSD in this thread, and since we are also talking about being offended, I thought this dovetailed nicely into this thread.

https://www.facebook.com/drinkinbros/videos/852359368195581/?fref=nf

It's a video made a group of former combat vets trying to be humorous about PTSD. Most, if not all of them claim to suffer from PTSD.

In response, a lot of the comments have been split between those outraged at the humour - some of which claim to have friends or family who suffer from PTSD and how making light of it is offensive, and others who claim to have PTSD having served in the armed forces or emergency services and say that laughing about it helps them handle it. One or twoexamples.

Nobody is trying to say having PTSD is a trivial thing (in spite of attempts to trivialise), but there seems to be a lot of people being offended on behalf of other people.