Has Political Correctness Gone too Far?

[Ifreann]

That's what I figured. So when you said that they were tackling the issue head on, I asked if you actually meant that, and you said "more or less".

So let's try this again. Are they tackling the issue head on, or are they just making jokes to entertain their viewers, or do you think those are the same thing?

Why do those three option have to be mutually exclusive?

If Timsvill's position is not covered by my post then he is free to explain what exactly his position is.

[Aggicificicerous]

No doubt I'm late to this party. Nonetheless, I've heard a great deal about political correctness gone too far, ironically, a great deal more than actual political correctness. In fact, I see virtually no political correctness, and I'm on a university campus now. People typically go to lengths to be polite to strangers, but that's not new. Nor is censorship and calling for people to be censored or silenced new, but there seems to be less and less of that these days, not more.

So where is this trend of political correctness gone mad? I don't mean a single incident; that sort of thing is bound to happen every now and then if you're combing the news hard enough. Furthermore, if you're only getting the odd incident here and there, just think of the thousands of other examples where nothing untoward has taken place. I want to see a measured trend. I want examples of institution after institution shutting down open dialogue to ensure nobody is offended. I've seen nothing of the sort thus far.

[Ugatoo]

No doubt I'm late to this party. Nonetheless, I've heard a great deal about political correctness gone too far, ironically, a great deal more than actual political correctness. In fact, I see virtually no political correctness, and I'm on a university campus now. People typically go to lengths to be polite to strangers, but that's not new. Nor is censorship and calling for people to be censored or silenced new, but there seems to be less and less of that these days, not more.

So where is this trend of political correctness gone mad? I don't mean a single incident; that sort of thing is bound to happen every now and then if you're combing the news hard enough. Furthermore, if you're only getting the odd incident here and there, just think of the thousands of other examples where nothing untoward has taken place. I want to see a measured trend. I want examples of institution after institution shutting down open dialogue to ensure nobody is offended. I've seen nothing of the sort thus far.

It's mainly just right wing fear mongering

[Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere]

Political correctness has good intentions. However, it ends up censoring those with non-conforming opinions. Fuck conformity.

[Ugatoo]

Political correctness has good intentions. However, it ends up censoring those with non-conforming opinions. Fuck conformity.

I like that you are pro magic but anti religion

[Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere]

Political correctness has good intentions. However, it ends up censoring those with non-conforming opinions. Fuck conformity.

I like that you are pro magic but anti religion

Laveyan Satanist magic is more figurative than literal. It's about perception and psychology.

[Gauthier]

I like that you are pro magic but anti religion

Laveyan Satanist magic is more figurative than literal. It's about perception and psychology.

It's about calling Ayn Rand "Satan" so people find it more acceptable.

[Ifreann]

Political correctness has good intentions. However, it ends up censoring those with non-conforming opinions. Fuck conformity.

I like that you are pro magic but anti religion

We must erect a wall of separation between church and magic.

[Galloism]

I like that you are pro magic but anti religion

We must erect a wall of separation between church and magic.

We could do it a lot faster if we used magic in the process.

[Gauthier]

We must erect a wall of separation between church and magic.

We could do it a lot faster if we used magic in the process.

It would help the economy as well. The last time Jesus went on a bender he practically decimated the wine industry.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

YES! Political correctness has gone too far. People can't say something with out other people being offended. In united states schools, you can't say "Merry Christmas" because that "could" offend people who don't celebrate Christmas. It's like everything that "could" offend people is banned and people are told not to say it or do it.

My favorite show ,south park, tackled the issue head on by making jokes about PC people. It was so funny!

It's not that it offends anyone, it's that it unnecessarily excludes them. Children are still allowed to use whatever greetings they want to each other. It's the teachers and staff who need to focus on ensuring that they're greeting every student, regardless of personal belief.

[Socialist Czechia]

Totally yes. And I am saying this as oldschool hardcore marxist-leninist from never reformed communist party.

[Threlizdun]

Political correctness has good intentions. However, it ends up censoring those with non-conforming opinions. Fuck conformity.

Yes, everyone should continue to equate others arguing with their views as censorship.

Laveyan Satanist magic is more figurative than literal. It's about perception and psychology.

It's about calling Ayn Rand "Satan" so people find it more acceptable.

This really makes me wish the Awesome Quote thread was still up.

Totally yes. And I am saying this as oldschool hardcore marxist-leninist from never reformed communist party.

The fuck does never reformed even mean? Your state collapsed. I imagine you would maybe have to make some slight modifications to your theory if the state that was supposed to carry it out no longer exists. Call me crazy, but it seems like that may necessary.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's about calling Ayn Rand "Satan" so people find it more acceptable.

This really makes me wish the Awesome Quote thread was still up.

It didn't die. It simply regenerated.

[Socialist Czechia]

Totally yes. And I am saying this as oldschool hardcore marxist-leninist from never reformed communist party.

The fuck does never reformed even mean? Your state collapsed. I imagine you would maybe have to make some slight modifications to your theory if the state that was supposed to carry it out no longer exists. Call me crazy, but it seems like that may necessary.

Watch your language, comrade Political correctness may be wrong, but we doesn't have to use insults.

'Never reformed' mostly means, that Revolution is still considered legitimate way to change politics in the State and Society. It's worth the price, even with all the possible violence.

'Leftist' who refuses to recognize Revolution as at least a perfectly viable option, is not really leftist.

But back to topic, 'political correctness' is Cold War product of western 'leftists' with no balls for Revolution, so they invented new themes, just helping the bourgoeoisie, just like 'political correctness' to avoid much more important topic, such as worker's rights - which should be first, second, third, fourth even fifth concern of every leftist.

[Threlizdun]

This really makes me wish the Awesome Quote thread was still up.

It didn't die. It simply regenerated.

Thanks

The fuck does never reformed even mean? Your state collapsed. I imagine you would maybe have to make some slight modifications to your theory if the state that was supposed to carry it out no longer exists. Call me crazy, but it seems like that may necessary.

Watch your language, comrade Political correctness may be wrong, but we doesn't have to use insults.

'Never reformed' mostly means, that Revolution is still considered legitimate way to change politics in the State and Society. It's worth the price, even with all the possible violence.

That's not "never reformed Marxism-Leninism"; that's just any form of revolutionary socialism. The idea of an ideology that never reforms is stupid. Every ideology has to change because the world changes. If the ideology doesn't, it's doomed to die.

'Leftist' who refuses to recognize Revolution as at least a perfectly viable option, is not really leftist.

While I'll agree that revolution must be recognized as a viable option, albeit not an even remotely realistic one in the present political climate, I would not agree that people who oppose revolution cannot be considered leftists. Though I'll agree to leave this as it isn't the topic.

[Alvecia]

The fuck does never reformed even mean? Your state collapsed. I imagine you would maybe have to make some slight modifications to your theory if the state that was supposed to carry it out no longer exists. Call me crazy, but it seems like that may necessary.

Watch your language, comrade Political correctness may be wrong, but we doesn't have to use insults.

'Never reformed' mostly means, that Revolution is still considered legitimate way to change politics in the State and Society. It's worth the price, even with all the possible violence.

'Leftist' who refuses to recognize Revolution as at least a perfectly viable option, is not really leftist.

But back to topic, 'political correctness' is Cold War product of western 'leftists' with no balls for Revolution, so they invented new themes, just helping the bourgoeoisie, just like 'political correctness' to avoid much more important topic, such as worker's rights - which should be first, second, third, fourth even fifth concern of every leftist.

Seems like every time I turn around I see someone else claiming that all the worlds prolems are just manufactured distractions to draw attention away from "the workers plight". Such a position is starting to seem more and more like the most egostical ideology I've seen.

[Socialist Czechia]

Watch your language, comrade Political correctness may be wrong, but we doesn't have to use insults.

'Never reformed' mostly means, that Revolution is still considered legitimate way to change politics in the State and Society. It's worth the price, even with all the possible violence.

'Leftist' who refuses to recognize Revolution as at least a perfectly viable option, is not really leftist.

But back to topic, 'political correctness' is Cold War product of western 'leftists' with no balls for Revolution, so they invented new themes, just helping the bourgoeoisie, just like 'political correctness' to avoid much more important topic, such as worker's rights - which should be first, second, third, fourth even fifth concern of every leftist.

Seems like every time I turn around I see someone else claiming that all the worlds prolems are just manufactured distractions to draw attention away from "the workers plight". Such a position is starting to seem more and more like the most egostical ideology I've seen.

I am sorry, that I can't see protection of animals doomed to extinction or protests against fur production or 'free pussy riot' riots as important as exploitation of working class and fight against bourgeoisie

Again, back to the topic: western 'leftists' rather abandoned revolutionary thinking and invented something else, completely unimportant, to replace very main reason, why socialist parties exists.

Labour Party in UK is the most horrific example of it, not surprisingly, also greatest supporter of 'political correctness' amongst the leading western 'leftist' parties.
Instead to get rid of monarchy and capitalism, they rather bicker about ecology and how you dare to call black person to be black

Political correctness helps no one, except capitalists, happy that 'revolutionaries' cares more about 'correctness' than taxes or workers.

[Hirota]

I want examples of institution after institution shutting down open dialogue to ensure nobody is offended. I've seen nothing of the sort thus far.

I'll work on getting a list of examples for the US, but for the time being have 18 examples in one webpage in the UK alone. Have some other individual examples here, here, here (although later reversed), here, a failed attempt here. I count 23 separate attempts to curtail open debate in UK universities alone that were reported in the press of "notable" public figures being prevented to talk. Sure, some of those examples are people I wouldn't want to spend time listening to, some of them are facists. I’m not saying let’s welcome these fascists and racists with open arms and give them a stage to air their repulsive opinions with no debate.

But isn’t there more than a touch of irony about inhibiting the free speech of fascists? In a democracy everyone should have the right to speak, even when we disagree. Allow them to air their bullshit ideas, just make sure there’s someone there to challenge them.

Spiked magazine indexed free speech in 115 universities in the UK and found 68 universities and their student unions have banned and actively censored ideas on campus. A further 45 found universities or their student unions have done the same.

Oxford university banned a free speech student publication, East Anglia banned hats.

Thats the UK, lets look at the US.

There was an attempt to prevent Bill Maher from speaking at university, students were sanctioned for distributing copies of the US constitution, another attempt to prevent free speech, Free speech repressed in so-called free speech zone (with bonus video), university created a Police state system of reporting supposed offensive speech, with no defintion of what is actually offensive speech, another example of free-speech being repressed in US universities, the number of speakers disinvited from US universities has "skyrocketed" to 192 speakers disinvited in 2014.

You wanted evidence of systematic supression of free speech to contradict your anecdotal observations Aggicificicerous ? You got it.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Instead to get rid of monarchy and capitalism, they rather bicker about ecology and how you dare to call black person to be black

Making sure the planet survives and stopping racism is also important...

[Socialist Czechia]

Instead to get rid of monarchy and capitalism, they rather bicker about ecology and how you dare to call black person to be black

Making sure the planet survives and stopping racism is also important...

And bourgeoisie have totally no profits from State subsidized 'ecology' and 'environment protection'.

Totally no profits for international corporations from ridiculously ineffective technologies...

Totally no turned attention from worker's rights...

[Alvecia]

Making sure the planet survives and stopping racism is also important...

And bourgeoisie have totally no profits from State subsidized 'ecology' and 'environment protection'.

Totally no profits for international corporations from ridiculously ineffective technologies...

Totally no turned attention from worker's rights...

Workers won't have any rights if the environment goes to shit. The environment affects us all, not just a subset of the population.

[SD_Film Artists]

No doubt I'm late to this party. Nonetheless, I've heard a great deal about political correctness gone too far, ironically, a great deal more than actual political correctness. In fact, I see virtually no political correctness, and I'm on a university campus now. People typically go to lengths to be polite to strangers, but that's not new. Nor is censorship and calling for people to be censored or silenced new, but there seems to be less and less of that these days, not more.

So where is this trend of political correctness gone mad? I don't mean a single incident; that sort of thing is bound to happen every now and then if you're combing the news hard enough. Furthermore, if you're only getting the odd incident here and there, just think of the thousands of other examples where nothing untoward has taken place. I want to see a measured trend. I want examples of institution after institution shutting down open dialogue to ensure nobody is offended. I've seen nothing of the sort thus far.

It's mainly just right wing fear mongering

Either that or right-wing code for "why are people stopping me from being a facist? It's not fair!!"

[Hirota]

Either that or right-wing code for "why are people stopping me from being a facist? It's not fair!!"

Suppressing fascism by acting as a fascist is hypocrisy.

I identify as a leftie, and I oppose many of the viewpoints of those who were prevented from speaking at university, but I'm not going to seek to silence conflicting opinions just because they run contrary to my own. I'll call out and highlight issues with their opinions using facts and reason, not seek to silence them just because I don't like them. Lets stop lying to ourselves, stop this sanctimonious prickishness, and cease pretending the left is any better than the right when it comes to having a douchebag censorious demographic.

So let's try this again. Are they tackling the issue head on, or are they just making jokes to entertain their viewers, or do you think those are the same thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, corporations, government or society itself, into improvement. Although satire is usually meant to be humorous, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit to draw attention to both particular and wider issues in society.

[SD_Film Artists]

Either that or right-wing code for "why are people stopping me from being a facist? It's not fair!!"

Suppressing fascism by acting as a fascist is hypocrisy.

I identify as a leftie, and I oppose many of the viewpoints of those who were prevented from speaking at university, but I'm not going to seek to silence conflicting opinions just because they run contrary to my own. I'll call out and highlight issues with their opinions using facts and reason, not seek to silence them just because I don't like them.

You seem to be mistaking political correctness for outright sensorship. The two can overlap in extreme cases, but they're not the same thing.

Lets stop lying to ourselves, stop this sanctimonious prickishness, and cease pretending the left is any better than the right when it comes to having a douchebag censorious demographic.

I never implyed that the left was any less guilty of bigotry, I only mentioned the right-wing as it's normaly the right-wing which complains about "political correctness" when what they really mean is "why aren't people accepting my facism?". The left-wing does it too, only that they complain about "imperialism" and "manufactured concent" when what they really mean is "why aren't people accepting my facism?"