Has Political Correctness Gone too Far?

[Hugdom]

I say, it's gone fucking mad. The aim of political correctness was to allow constructive political debate, within the confines of a safe and orderly place. However, these places are far from safe and also far from constructive and free.

Rather than encourage safe dialogue, it has forced people to avoid touchy feely topics such as race, religion, and politics altogether. In our new age, we were taught that words do hurt, however has one even thought to consider the personal reputation and damage that words like racist, bigot, or sexist can do to someone? Without them even being true? That person is forever painted in the public limelight as that type of character, whose opinions are forever subject to either ridicule or shame, despite any evidence of him'her actually encompassing those "political beliefs". So in many ways, political correctness is backwards, favoring one political ideology over another and using a broad brush to paint all those who disagree with this prevailing trend as either a racist or bigot with no real evidence.

The problem is escalated even further on college campuses.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/politic ... l-problem/

Alrighty, so I'm going to delete the far fetched examples because honestly that's not the side of the coin I want to display. In all honesty these cases are far and few in between and they are very extreme examples.

However, the much more common occurrence as well as the much more annoying occurrence is one that happens all the time. A TV set doesn't hire enough female writers, or there aren't enough Hispanics, or some other ridiculous claim.

The claims that say because a field isn't diverse enough, or a company doesn't hire enough of blank, it is therefore racist and should come under fire. Or a TV show is too violent to be shown on television, or controversy is bad and should be discouraged. These are the issues that come up ALL the time, and are the ones that in my honest opinion are condemnable.

Examples:

Accusation of rick and morty, a show that deals with and openly discourages sexism, as being sexist. - http://www.themarysue.com/rick-and-mort ... e-writers/

Gamergate - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy

Bernie Sanders being boo'd for tackling the root causes of unjust poverty rather than just hoping on the BLM train

These are the issues that rarely make national headlines, but occur in our day to day lives and in our businesses and localities. They stem from an overarching need in society these days, for everyone to be appeased. And extremists from all angles will not stop to let you know when you hurt their feelings, and equality means that their views and interpretations of what happened are raised over yours.

And lastly, the term "political correctness" is a dynamic and ever evolving term in our political and civic landscape that is not contained to what it originally meant many years ago.

[Chinese Peoples]

No.

Being sensitive to people's feelings is something that is quite reasonable for a society such as ours.

[Sun Lands]

I have thought for a long time that political correctness has gone too far. What really confirmed it for me was when the shops stopped putting up "Happy Christmas" banners and put up ones saying "Happy Giving" for fear of offending people who don't celebrate Christmas. Well I'm sorry, but when the majority of the country (Australia for those keeping track) celebrates it and has always celebrated it, then you've gone too far. I'm fine with basic political correctness.

[Finland SSR]

This thread offends me.

I will now cry on the internet about how NSG is so anti-me and meist.

[Ifreann]

Political correctness needs to go further, because the tears of people crying over being called on their bullshit fuel my time machine.

[Rejeistan]

Yes. I'm fine with political correctness to the extent of keeping people civil, and being considerate with our choice of words (For example, referring to transgender people with the gender pronouns they identify with, rather than the ones of the sex they were born as, or referring to people with handicaps as invalids, and for sensitivity reasons I don't use slurs or much profanity in my everyday speech), but we're at the point where it's becoming censorship in some instances.

We should live in a safe space for students, where bullying, hate speech, and violence is dealt with, and people with mental illnesses are accommodated, but, there is no such thing as a safe space for ideas. All ideas can be critiqued and should be, and free speech is essential to western society. If you want a nice happy meditation chamber with cats and blankets and pillows, that's a good safe space. Campus isn't a safe space for ideas.

[Chinese Peoples]

I have thought for a long time that political correctness has gone too far. What really confirmed it for me was when the shops stopped putting up "Happy Christmas" banners and put up ones saying "Happy Giving" for fear of offending people who don't celebrate Christmas. Well I'm sorry, but when the majority of the country celebrates it, then you've gone too far.

And don't you think department stores should have the liberty to decide what signs to put up? Do you really need to be reminded that it is Christmas to shop in that store?

Commercial interest is far from political correctitude.

[Hugdom]

No.

Being sensitive to people's feelings is something that is quite reasonable for a society such as ours.

maybe people that create things aren't concerned with your delicate sensibilities. You know? Maybe the species that communicate with each other through the filter of your comfort are less evolved than the ones that just communicate. Maybe your problems are your own to deal with, and maybe the public giving a shit about your feelings is a one way ticket to extinction.

[Val Halla]

I think political satire should improve.

[Chinese Peoples]

No.

Being sensitive to people's feelings is something that is quite reasonable for a society such as ours.

maybe people that create things aren't concerned with your delicate sensibilities. You know? Maybe the species that communicate with each other through the filter of your comfort are less evolved than the ones that just communicate. Maybe your problems are your own to deal with, and maybe the public giving a shit about your feelings is a one way ticket to extinction.

I don't quite understand your point.

[Hugdom]

Political correctness needs to go further, because the tears of people crying over being called on their bullshit fuel my time machine.

Petty comment at best, as if political correctness is limited to a single view point or political party.

Unless that duke lacrosse player really deserved that sentencing despite the state attorneys knowing his innocence and using this ridiculous prevailing trend to exploit the issue.

[Kauthar]

Um you're opinion offends me and I don't care if you use backed up sources if I don't like it that means it's racist and sexist!!!

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

No.

[Hugdom]

No.

Care to elaborate?

[Chinese Peoples]

Petty comment at best, as if political correctness is limited to a single view point or political party.

Unless that duke lacrosse player really deserved that sentencing despite the state attorneys knowing his innocence and using this ridiculous prevailing trend to exploit the issue.

That's judicial procedure to which you refer. It has nothing to do with social perception, which I think is the subject of this thread.

[Sun Lands]

I have thought for a long time that political correctness has gone too far. What really confirmed it for me was when the shops stopped putting up "Happy Christmas" banners and put up ones saying "Happy Giving" for fear of offending people who don't celebrate Christmas. Well I'm sorry, but when the majority of the country celebrates it, then you've gone too far.

And don't you think department stores should have the liberty to decide what signs to put up? Do you really need to be reminded that it is Christmas to shop in that store?

Commercial interest is far from political correctitude.

This isn't about liberty to put up a sign, this is about political correctness being so extreme that we DARE not offend the minority Asians. Even though we're not offending them, since it's hardly as if we're putting up racist signs.

[Jumalariik]

Most certainly.

Political Correctness is an ideology of destruction. It has been part of the anti-western ideology in the last 70 years that sought to take Western culture down through communism, unfettered capitalism and self-hatred.
PC though is not its own ideology, but instead an institutional view propagated by the elites in the universities and mass media.

It is part of a problem, not the problem itself though. The problem has generally been self-hatred in the West. People have forsaken their own cultures for the monoculture of rap, hip hop, hollywood etc. White people in America for the last century or so have been leaving their traditional music and traditions for the culture of African-Americans. The music of the 1920s, 1960s and today are all influenced by African-American culture and are not of our own making. Academia is also consistently doing the same.
On this topic though, it is my opinion that the question of cultural appropriation needs to be raised. Cultural appropriation is a two way street, though to me, it is a vile thing. Culture should have value to those who are part of it and people should create their own culture, not to leach off of Japanese manga and Rap. The fact is that White people in America have contributed very little culturally in the last 40 years that has much sustainable merit, all major cultural advancements have been made by Asian and African American people.

In the end, much that is European and Christian is being deemed both uncool and immoral

Christianity today is but a husk of Christ's teachings, where the ministers in some mainline churches do not even believe in God.

Schools have also started to put in political ideology that is not fitting for a neutral education.

Now, what is to be done is the real question?

There is not much that can really answer that question. It would seem that the best option though is to simply embrace true diversity and to acknowledge everybody's heritage and culture, and to have people practice their faith more openly and in a more orthodox manner.

[Chinese Peoples]

Um you're opinion offends me and I don't care if you use backed up sources if I don't like it that means it's racist and sexist!!!

If you can justify your damages in a court of law, then you're entitled to recovery. It's very simple, really.

[Redsection]

It's outrageous.

[Chinese Peoples]

And don't you think department stores should have the liberty to decide what signs to put up? Do you really need to be reminded that it is Christmas to shop in that store?

Commercial interest is far from political correctitude.

This isn't about liberty to put up a sign, this is about political correctness being so extreme that we DARE not offend the minority Asians. Even though we're not offending them, since it's hardly as if we're putting up racist signs.

They are trying to appeal to a wider audience and to minimize alienation in order to attract more customer traffic. This is commercial advertisement. Unless you think they should stand to make less profit than otherwise they do with their sign, they should have every right to put up any sign that serves their shareholders' interests.

[Sun Lands]

Most certainly.

Political Correctness is an ideology of destruction. It has been part of the anti-western ideology in the last 70 years that sought to take Western culture down through communism, unfettered capitalism and self-hatred.
PC though is not its own ideology, but instead an institutional view propagated by the elites in the universities and all forms of mass media.

It is part of a problem, not the problem itself though. The problem has generally been self-hatred in the West. People have forsaken their own cultures for the monoculture of rap, hip hop, hollywood etc. White people in America for the last century or so have been leaving their traditional music and traditions for the culture of African-Americans. The music of the 1920s, 1960s and today are all influenced by African-American culture and are not of our own making. Academia is also consistently doing the same.

In the end, much that is European and Christian is being deemed both uncool and immoral

Christianity today is but a husk of Christ's teachings, where the ministers in some mainline churches do not even believe in God.

Schools have also started to put in political ideology that is not fitting for a neutral education.

Now, what is to be done is the real question?

There is not much that can really answer that question. It would seem that the best option though is to simply embrace true diversity and to acknowledge everybody's heritage and culture, and to have people practice their faith more openly and in a more orthodox manner.

*applauds*

[The Enclave Government]

Yes.

I think the most stupid thing in the history of civilization was the idea that you can take offense to anything. If you don't like what a person is saying, don't listen. It's that simple. PC now is bordering on censorship, and as the OP's examples say, actively ruin lives.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Political Correctness is an ideology of destruction. It has been part of the anti-western ideology in the last 70 years that sought to take Western culture down through communism, unfettered capitalism and self-hatred.

What? Two of the things you listed here are mutually exclusive.

[Chinese Peoples]

Most certainly.

Political Correctness is an ideology of destruction. It has been part of the anti-western ideology in the last 70 years that sought to take Western culture down through communism, unfettered capitalism and self-hatred.
PC though is not its own ideology, but instead an institutional view propagated by the elites in the universities and all forms of mass media.

It is part of a problem, not the problem itself though. The problem has generally been self-hatred in the West. People have forsaken their own cultures for the monoculture of rap, hip hop, hollywood etc. White people in America for the last century or so have been leaving their traditional music and traditions for the culture of African-Americans. The music of the 1920s, 1960s and today are all influenced by African-American culture and are not of our own making. Academia is also consistently doing the same.

You may realize that the nation-state is a relatively new phenomenon. As a nation-state, the state ought to take into account all of its citizens in coming up with policy.

In the end, much that is European and Christian is being deemed both uncool and immoral

Much of it is indeed immoral, however, not by virtue of being either European or Christian, but by being immoral; just look at the Holy See alone, and you will see lots of immoral stuff going on.

Christianity today is but a husk of Christ's teachings, where the ministers in some mainline churches do not even believe in God. [/code]
So are we now going to start withdrawing the freedom of religion? Whether a church believes in God or not is irrelevant to its role as a social organization, especially considering the bloodshed and strife that religion has caused in the centuries past. Governments proceed in an effort to prevent those things from ever happening again.

Schools have also started to put in political ideology that is not fitting for a neutral education.

And which is?

Now, what is to be done is the real question?

There is not much that can really answer that question. It would seem that the best option though is to simply embrace true diversity and to acknowledge everybody's heritage and culture, and to have people practice their faith more openly and in a more orthodox manner.

This crypto-fascist, thought-controlling, personality-repressing rhetoric is making me sick. Culture and religion are fluid; they are not and ought not be confined to the shackles of orthodoxy.

[Jumalariik]

Political Correctness is an ideology of destruction. It has been part of the anti-western ideology in the last 70 years that sought to take Western culture down through communism, unfettered capitalism and self-hatred.

What? Two of the things you listed here are mutually exclusive.

Yes, and no.
Both communism and unfettered capitalism have things in common:
1. Both ideologies subvert the needs and the preservation of the nation for ideology in the case of communism, and for profit in the case of capitalism
2. Both ideologies are anti-nationalist
3. Both are anti-Christian as well.
4. In both, the objective is also to create a monolithic culture and world.