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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:40 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
greed and death wrote:The chief is management he can not be a member of the union.

Again, this is Chicago. I'm not entirely sure of that.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/ ... r15-2.html

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:46 pm

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Traxa wrote:
There would still have been protesters anyway, #BLM, or more correctly they only matter when its cops shooting not when its the blue guys shooting the red guys on the corner that's perfectly OK.

Questionable.

If police did not have a tendency of covering each others' crimes, there probably wouldn't be widespread public outcry in the first place.

IE, we wouldn't be here.


Plus does anyone seriously expect the gangbangers to uphold civil rights like we expect the police to?
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Postby Galloism » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:58 pm

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Galloism wrote:Questionable.

If police did not have a tendency of covering each others' crimes, there probably wouldn't be widespread public outcry in the first place.

IE, we wouldn't be here.


Plus does anyone seriously expect the gangbangers to uphold civil rights like we expect the police to?

Gotta say, charging the crips for not giving the accused blood a right to an attorney would be a novel and interesting approach.
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Postby Traxa » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:55 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Galloism wrote:Questionable.

If police did not have a tendency of covering each others' crimes, there probably wouldn't be widespread public outcry in the first place.

IE, we wouldn't be here.


Plus does anyone seriously expect the gangbangers to uphold civil rights like we expect the police to?


That's not the point. Obviously Police etc should be held accountable to the law and held at a higher standard than regular citizens and no they shouldnt shield eachother when they know unlawful things have happened. However the whole BLM movement is an absolute joke and hypocritical. It shouldn't be OK for the gangbangers to do what they do, but no one protests against them, or cooperates with police to get the thugs out of the neighborhood its usually quite the opposite, no one wants to talk to law enforcement or clean up things they'd rather have "street justice".

Shouldn't the community be against murder etc in general regardless of what color the person pulling the trigger is or what they do for a job? The BLM movement doesn't seem to think so.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:00 pm

Traxa wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Plus does anyone seriously expect the gangbangers to uphold civil rights like we expect the police to?


That's not the point. Obviously Police etc should be held accountable to the law and held at a higher standard than regular citizens and no they shouldnt shield eachother when they know unlawful things have happened. However the whole BLM movement is an absolute joke and hypocritical. It shouldn't be OK for the gangbangers to do what they do, but no one protests against them, or cooperates with police to get the thugs out of the neighborhood its usually quite the opposite, no one wants to talk to law enforcement or clean up things they'd rather have "street justice".

Shouldn't the community be against murder etc in general regardless of what color the person pulling the trigger is or what they do for a job? The BLM movement doesn't seem to think so.


No one wants to talk to law enforcement for the same reason that people in Italian communities didn't talk to law enforcement for several generations: a strong anti-snitching ethic reinforced by retaliation against informers (and, despite a supposed code of honor about such things, often their families). The fact that police who patrol these neighborhoods often see little difference between the people they're supposed to be protecting and the people they're supposed to be protecting them from also adds to the problem. If we want to start to address this, then we're going to have to have a concerted effort along the lines of what the federal government did against the Italian Mob in the 80s and 90s.

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Postby Staythefout » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:44 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Staythefout wrote:Good

I always find it funny encountering someone who regularly rails against government corruption and the government being to big and malevolent, then turn around and defend police brutality and in this case, a police officer murdering someone.


The police didn't murder anyone, they shot a guy who was on pcp and holding a deadly weapon. If the guy was walking near obama and the secret service shot him no one would say shit. if he was white no one would say shit.

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Staythefout wrote:Good


You think that it's appropriate for an officer to shoot a person who is walking away from him, then fire on him sixteen times total, with a majority of the shots being fired while he was obviously prone on the ground? Add to that the fact that he was reloading to fire again when he was stopped by other officers.


To be honest I could talk about how ridiculous it is to say he should have wrestled the knife from the idiot but I won't. Frankly I don't see why I should dignify that. Don't you think it's funny that people who are criminals (usually violent) are always the ones who get turned to martyrs by people like blm...michael brown, eric garner, trayvon martin, freddie gray to name a few. If someone is attacking people and threatening them with a knife why is it any concern if they get killed? Their fucking fault! Not even the most liberal guy in the world says we can't have civilian casualties in a war. Today we fight a war on crime every day in the streets of cities like chicago and detroit. Maybe if you focused more on lives taken by criminals (both black and white people are killed by blacks at huge rates) and if you talked to the parents of kids in camden nj who can't go to school without fear of being stabbed then maybe you would be less concerned about a guy on pcp with a knife getting shot by police.

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Just saying.


No such thing as black civilians apparently.

I don't care if you're black white brown yellow red orange or fuschia...knife goes up, suspect goes down.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:35 am

greed and death wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Again, this is Chicago. I'm not entirely sure of that.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/ ... r15-2.html

Managers and supervisors are also not protected by the NLRA, and cannot join unions or be part of the bargaining unit. These employees are considered to be part of a company’s management rather than its labor force.


The local cops do see to be backing the fired chief

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:15 am

Staythefout wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I always find it funny encountering someone who regularly rails against government corruption and the government being to big and malevolent, then turn around and defend police brutality and in this case, a police officer murdering someone.


The police didn't murder anyone, they shot a guy who was on pcp and holding a deadly weapon. If the guy was walking near obama and the secret service shot him no one would say shit. if he was white no one would say shit.

Who was moving away from them and in no way was in the process of actively threatening them. Not to mention they outnumbered him and could have successfully disarmed him without shooting him.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:39 am

Staythefout wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I always find it funny encountering someone who regularly rails against government corruption and the government being to big and malevolent, then turn around and defend police brutality and in this case, a police officer murdering someone.


The police didn't murder anyone, they shot a guy who was on pcp and holding a deadly weapon. If the guy was walking near obama and the secret service shot him no one would say shit. if he was white no one would say shit.

Yeah guys, McDonald could have walked to DC and knifed Obama.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
Staythefout wrote:
The police didn't murder anyone, they shot a guy who was on pcp and holding a deadly weapon. If the guy was walking near obama and the secret service shot him no one would say shit. if he was white no one would say shit.

Yeah guys, McDonald could have walked to DC and knifed Obama.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:29 am

Traxa wrote:
Galloism wrote:You know, I've said it like five million times.

Everyone hates it when the law is broken, this is true, but they get fucking furious at the cover up. If the police had done a thorough investigation and followed all the rules and procedures, there would not be demonstrators in the streets now. Because business was taken care of.

But they tried to cover it up. So here we are.


There would still have been protesters anyway, #BLM, or more correctly they only matter when its cops shooting not when its the blue guys shooting the red guys on the corner that's perfectly OK.

You know, it's really fortunate that this is entirely bullshit.

Stop pretending like your ignorance accurately describes reality. The fact is, black people care about violence in their communities. The fact is, they regularly rally and protest over said violence. It's not their fault the media doesn't give a rats ass UNTIL cops are involved and it's likely to result in riots. And it's certainly not their fault that people can't bother to take five seconds out of their life and Google this information for themselves.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:39 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Traxa wrote:
There would still have been protesters anyway, #BLM, or more correctly they only matter when its cops shooting not when its the blue guys shooting the red guys on the corner that's perfectly OK.

You know, it's really fortunate that this is entirely bullshit.

Stop pretending like your ignorance accurately describes reality. The fact is, black people care about violence in their communities. The fact is, they regularly rally and protest over said violence. It's not their fault the media doesn't give a rats ass UNTIL cops are involved and it's likely to result in riots. And it's certainly not their fault that people can't bother to take five seconds out of their life and Google this information for themselves.

Unfortunately you're wrong.

Google only took 0.45 seconds to provide me 40.5 million results on the matter.

That's less than five. You're wrong. Take your wrongness and be wrong.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:47 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You know, it's really fortunate that this is entirely bullshit.

Stop pretending like your ignorance accurately describes reality. The fact is, black people care about violence in their communities. The fact is, they regularly rally and protest over said violence. It's not their fault the media doesn't give a rats ass UNTIL cops are involved and it's likely to result in riots. And it's certainly not their fault that people can't bother to take five seconds out of their life and Google this information for themselves.

Unfortunately you're wrong.

Google only took 0.45 seconds to provide me 40.5 million results on the matter.

That's less than five. You're wrong. Take your wrongness and be wrong.

I was including actually typing in the search bar. Give or take a few seconds depending on how fast you type.

I scoff at your accusations of my wrongness, sir.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:49 am

Mavorpen wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Unfortunately you're wrong.

Google only took 0.45 seconds to provide me 40.5 million results on the matter.

That's less than five. You're wrong. Take your wrongness and be wrong.

I was including actually typing in the search bar. Give or take a few seconds depending on how fast you type.

I scoff at your accusations of my wrongness, sir.

Pistols at dawn, good sir.

We shall take up the matter of your wrongness with shot and powder. Choose your second.

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Postby The balkens » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:17 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I was including actually typing in the search bar. Give or take a few seconds depending on how fast you type.

I scoff at your accusations of my wrongness, sir.

Pistols at dawn, good sir.

We shall take up the matter of your wrongness with shot and powder. Choose your second.


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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:17 pm

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The Emerald Dawn wrote:Pistols at dawn, good sir.

We shall take up the matter of your wrongness with shot and powder. Choose your second.


Hey, Boss. Budget came in. No more powder for the rest of the FY, might have to switch to Clubs, Hammers and other blunt objects.

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