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by Mavorpen » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:46 am
by The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:16 am
by Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:19 am
by Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:03 am
by The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:05 am
Gauthier wrote:Emanuel fires McCarthy
Shouldn't be long before someone howls about how SJWs Forced Emmanuel to Fire the Superintendent.
by Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:07 am
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Gauthier wrote:Emanuel fires McCarthy
Shouldn't be long before someone howls about how SJWs Forced Emmanuel to Fire the Superintendent.
Silly Gauthier.
We're talking about Chicago, it was the mob that forced him to fire the super.
by The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:09 am
by Ugatoo » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:12 am
by Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:13 am
Ugatoo wrote:First degree seems to be stretching it doesn't it? Not sure about in the US but in Canada first degree murder essentially means you have a target in mind and plan on killing them. I could definitely see second degree charges which is just planning to kill someone with no specific target.
by Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:15 am
Ugatoo wrote:First degree seems to be stretching it doesn't it? Not sure about in the US but in Canada first degree murder essentially means you have a target in mind and plan on killing them. I could definitely see second degree charges which is just planning to kill someone with no specific target.
by Ugatoo » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:17 am
Thermodolia wrote:Ugatoo wrote:First degree seems to be stretching it doesn't it? Not sure about in the US but in Canada first degree murder essentially means you have a target in mind and plan on killing them. I could definitely see second degree charges which is just planning to kill someone with no specific target.
In the US (as much as I know) the degrees don't really do to much with the crime.
by The Ben Boys » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:30 am
Mavorpen wrote:Unified Heartless States wrote: Don't be naive, the first protesters organized too quickly. It quite obvious people made plans to protest long before the video was going to be made public.
That would be because it was hidden from them as well as the fact that the major contents of the video were already discussed repeatedly.
by The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:30 am
Gauthier wrote:Ugatoo wrote:First degree seems to be stretching it doesn't it? Not sure about in the US but in Canada first degree murder essentially means you have a target in mind and plan on killing them. I could definitely see second degree charges which is just planning to kill someone with no specific target.
The Murder 1 charge is about getting the case thrown on purpose.
by Staythefout » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:36 am
Gauthier wrote:Ugatoo wrote:First degree seems to be stretching it doesn't it? Not sure about in the US but in Canada first degree murder essentially means you have a target in mind and plan on killing them. I could definitely see second degree charges which is just planning to kill someone with no specific target.
The Murder 1 charge is about getting the case thrown on purpose.
by Saiwania » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:43 am
Galloism wrote:But they tried to cover it up. So here we are.
by Galloism » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:45 am
Saiwania wrote:Galloism wrote:But they tried to cover it up. So here we are.
The footage of the shooting ought to have been covered up. There was never any need to release the footage, doing so caused a riot when there wouldn't have otherwise. It can be considered a national security issue and the footage should've been confiscated by the NSA or FBI for the time being. The trial and conviction of the officer involved can continue on in secret without the larger public being aware of it beyond a simple headline in news media.
by Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:47 am
Galloism wrote:Saiwania wrote:
The footage of the shooting ought to have been covered up. There was never any need to release the footage, doing so caused a riot when there wouldn't have otherwise. It can be considered a national security issue and the footage should've been confiscated by the NSA or FBI for the time being. The trial and conviction of the officer involved can continue on in secret without the larger public being aware of it beyond a simple headline in news media.
I meant the part where they went to the McDonalds closeby and erased their video footage of the incident so that the courts and IA wouldn't have a second angle with which to review the footage.
That's the cover up I was talking about.
by Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:49 am
by The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:51 am
Overview of Illinois First Degree Murder Laws
First degree murder is the most serious of the homicide crimes in Illinois. In order to prove that the defendant committed first degree murder, the prosecutor must show beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant killed an individual without lawful justification and either:
•Intended to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual (or knew that the act would do so); or
•Knows that the acts create a strong probability of causing death or great bodily harm to the individual; or
•The defendant was attempting or committed a forcible felony other than second degree murder (i.e. rape).
Illinois first degree murder laws treat the offense as a very serious crime. The penalties involved are justified based on who the victim was and the circumstances surrounding the defendant's commission of the crime. Oftentimes for such cases, the court will request a separate sentencing hearing where they can consider aggravating and mitigating factors that can help determine what the appropriate penalties should be based on the individual circumstances of each crime.
Defenses to First Degree Murder Charges
•Lack of intent
•Lack of knowledge
•Insanity
•Intoxication
•Self-defense
NOTE: If none of the criteria are met for first degree murder, the defendant may still be found guilty of a lesser murder charge.
See First Degree Murder Defenses for more information.
Penalties and Sentences
Illinois is no longer a death penalty state, and thus, a defendant may not be sentenced to death if he/she is found guilty of first degree murder. Instead, a life sentence is the maximum punishment in the state.
Prior to 2011 (when the death penalty was repealed in Illinois), punishment in a capital murder case would be determined at a sentencing hearing held at the request of the court. At such a sentencing hearing, the judge would hear evidence on both aggravating and mitigating factors involved in the crime and would issue a penalty or sentence dependent on those factors. Some aggravating factors included things like the victim's age (being either a child or an elderly person over 60), the victim being a corrections officer, or torture being involved, to name a few. Some mitigating factors included things such as the defendant being insane or mentally ill, the defendant being intoxicated, or the defendant not being personally present during the act that caused the victim's death.
At a sentencing hearing for capital punishment, a jury would have to unanimously agree that the death penalty should be recommended after they weighed all aggravating and mitigating factors in order for the court to sentence the defendant to death. Even if the jury recommended the death penalty, the court could overturn this and give a written explanation as to why the court felt it could not recommend death in a case. This written statement could be used in an appeal but otherwise, the court would be bound by the jury's determination. If there was not a unanimous decision on the death penalty by the jury, the court would sentence the defendant to a term of imprisonment appropriate under the given circumstances of the case.
See First Degree Murder Penalties and Sentencing for more details.
Illinois First Degree Murder Laws: Statute
First Degree Murder - Criminal Code of 1961, Article 9, Sections 9-1
by Saiwania » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:16 pm
Galloism wrote:I meant the part where they went to the McDonalds closeby and erased their video footage of the incident so that the courts and IA wouldn't have a second angle with which to review the footage.
That's the cover up I was talking about.
by Galloism » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:17 pm
Saiwania wrote:Galloism wrote:I meant the part where they went to the McDonalds closeby and erased their video footage of the incident so that the courts and IA wouldn't have a second angle with which to review the footage.
That's the cover up I was talking about.
If this can be verified, the prosecution can simply slap on an obstruction of justice charge. Still no need for any videos to be disclosed except maybe in court where it would be evidence.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:22 pm
Galloism wrote:You know, I've said it like five million times.
Everyone hates it when the law is broken, this is true, but they get fucking furious at the cover up. If the police had done a thorough investigation and followed all the rules and procedures, there would not be demonstrators in the streets now. Because business was taken care of.
But they tried to cover it up. So here we are.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Ashmoria » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:28 pm
Galloism wrote:Saiwania wrote:
If this can be verified, the prosecution can simply slap on an obstruction of justice charge. Still no need for any videos to be disclosed except maybe in court where it would be evidence.
Strangely, I don't see any obstruction of justice charges.
Almost like there's a line of people protecting bad actors... a blue line... and it's kind of thin.
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