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Oregon and California lead effort to allow OTC birth control

Postby The Enclave Government » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:21 pm

From the New York Times,

Groundbreaking laws in two Western states will soon make access to birth control easier for millions of women by allowing them to obtain contraceptives from pharmacists without a doctor’s prescription.

Even as the Supreme Court prepares to consider another divisive case involving access to contraception, public health advocates hope these arrangements could spread across the country, as states grappling with persistently high rates of unintended pregnancy seek to increase access to birth control with measures that so far have been unavailable under federal law.

Most Western countries require a doctor’s prescription for hormonal contraceptives like pills, patches and rings, but starting sometime in the next few months, women in California and Oregon will be able to obtain these types of birth control by getting a prescription directly from the pharmacist who dispenses them, a more convenient and potentially less expensive option than going to the doctor.

Pharmacists will be authorized to prescribe contraceptives after a quick screening process in which women fill out a questionnaire about their health and medical histories. The contraceptives will be covered by insurance, as they are now.

The laws are the latest effort to make birth control more accessible, a longstanding goal of medical professionals and policy makers. But unlike other recent debates over contraception — including the firestorm over the Obama administration’s requirement under the Affordable Care Act that all health plans pay for contraceptives — these legislative efforts have been largely free of political rancor.

“I feel strongly that this is what’s best for women’s health in the 21st century, and I also feel it will have repercussions for decreasing poverty because one of the key things for women in poverty is unintended pregnancy,” said State Representative Knute Buehler, a Republican who sponsored Oregon’s law.

About half of the 6.6 million pregnancies annually in the United States are unintended, a higher proportion than in Europe.

Reproductive health groups and medical associations increasingly say the ultimate goal should be to make contraceptives available without a prescription, and some worry that the push for pharmacist-prescribed contraceptives could thwart that. The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists is one of the few groups to express opposition to these laws, arguing that hormonal contraceptives should be available solely over the counter.

“My basic tenet is there should be nobody between the patient and the pill,” said Dr. Mark DeFrancesco, the president of the organization. “I’m afraid we’re going to create a new model that becomes a barrier between that and over the counter. I worry that it’s going to derail the over-the-counter movement.”


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Personally I support OTC birth control, as this solves the question and cost of abortion without some of the moral imperatives. If we allow OTC birth control, along with better sexual education, we may be able to make a dent in the massive number of unwanted pregnancies, which either turn into abortions, adoptions, or bearing the child. Abortion is in some places impossible due to state laws limiting clinics ability to operate. Adoptions put cost on the state for foster care if the children are in a state facility, and not all children are always adopted by 100% able and loving parents. Bearing an unwanted child can cause ''lifetimes of underachievement and social distress for the unwanted children.''

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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:24 pm

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Postby Tolko Temnota » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:24 pm

Excellent. I struggle to imagine a situation in which a woman's right to birth control should be limited or hindered. Hopefully this can put a dent in California and Oregon's unintended pregnancy and abortion rates.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:25 pm

But if women don't have unwanted pregnancies, how will they be punished for having sex for fun?
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:26 pm

Trollgaard wrote:....

Condoms are already available everywhere...


OTC birth control such as the morning after pill, not condoms.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:27 pm

Trollgaard wrote:....

Condoms are already available everywhere...

whats that have to do with anything?

it seems that there is no good reason NOT to have it be OTC. so....it ought to be OT.
whatever

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Postby The Enclave Government » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:27 pm

Tolko Temnota wrote:Excellent. I struggle to imagine a situation in which a woman's right to birth control should be limited or hindered. Hopefully this can put a dent in California and Oregon's unintended pregnancy and abortion rates.

I concur. I'm conservative bordering on neo-con, but I think this is one things both pro-life and pro-choice would agree on.

Ifreann wrote:But if women don't have unwanted pregnancies, how will they be punished for having sex for fun?

''Can I put my clothes in the drawer?''
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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:28 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:....

Condoms are already available everywhere...


OTC birth control such as the morning after pill, not condoms.



Aren't those regulated because they can really mess women up?

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:28 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:....

Condoms are already available everywhere...


OTC birth control such as the morning after pill, not condoms.

morning after is already OTC. this would be for the daily birth control pill.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:29 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
OTC birth control such as the morning after pill, not condoms.



Aren't those regulated because they can really mess women up?


Any that cause serious damage in many cases are refused an FDA license.
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Ashmoria wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
OTC birth control such as the morning after pill, not condoms.

morning after is already OTC. this would be for the daily birth control pill.


yeah, forgot. I don't make it a habit to really know terminology of birth control, seeing as i'm a male and don't really need to.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:30 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:
OTC birth control such as the morning after pill, not condoms.



Aren't those regulated because they can really mess women up?

apparently not.

and they aren't as dangerous as extra strength Tylenol.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:02 pm

In other words the west is trying to catch up with the Soviet Union in terms of women's rights

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Daburuetchi wrote:In other words the west is trying to catch up with the Soviet Union in terms of women's rights


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Postby The balkens » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:07 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:In other words the west is trying to catch up with the Soviet Union in terms of women's rights


Considering that the Soviet Union is gone, i think the west already surpassed it.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:08 pm

The balkens wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:In other words the west is trying to catch up with the Soviet Union in terms of women's rights


Considering that the Soviet Union is gone, i think the west already surpassed it.

What rights do the women of the Soviet Union have now, eh? None, that's what.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:10 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Considering that the Soviet Union is gone, i think the west already surpassed it.

What rights do the women of the Soviet Union have now, eh? None, that's what.


Got off on a technicality.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:11 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Tolko Temnota wrote:Excellent. I struggle to imagine a situation in which a woman's right to birth control should be limited or hindered. Hopefully this can put a dent in California and Oregon's unintended pregnancy and abortion rates.

I concur. I'm conservative bordering on neo-con, but I think this is one things both pro-life and pro-choice would agree on.

Then you are a rare breed indeed, unfortunately. It often seems like a lot of the conservative crowd, especially the "pro-life" folks are less about reducing abortion and more about basically punishing women for having sex by making access to the education and tools impossible or difficult. Which is really disappointing, because as you point out, pro-life and pro-choice BOTH have the stated goal of reducing abortions, but it seems like one side thinks this can be done by making them difficult to get, while the other thinks it is better achieved by reducing the need for them in the first place.

And good on Oregon and California. Hopefully other states will follow suit. I mean, there are studies that strongly indicate a correlation between comprehensive sex education/access to birth control measures and unplanned and teen pregnancy rates.
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The Enclave Government wrote:
Tolko Temnota wrote:Excellent. I struggle to imagine a situation in which a woman's right to birth control should be limited or hindered. Hopefully this can put a dent in California and Oregon's unintended pregnancy and abortion rates.

I concur. I'm conservative bordering on neo-con, but I think this is one things both pro-life and pro-choice would agree on.

Sadly, many hardcore Catholics would die before endorsing birth control. Considering they don't exactly like abortion either, that leaves no room for responsible family planning.
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Postby Kraylandia » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:29 pm

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Reploid Productions wrote:
The Enclave Government wrote:I concur. I'm conservative bordering on neo-con, but I think this is one things both pro-life and pro-choice would agree on.

Then you are a rare breed indeed, unfortunately. It often seems like a lot of the conservative crowd, especially the "pro-life" folks are less about reducing abortion and more about basically punishing women for having sex by making access to the education and tools impossible or difficult. Which is really disappointing, because as you point out, pro-life and pro-choice BOTH have the stated goal of reducing abortions, but it seems like one side thinks this can be done by making them difficult to get, while the other thinks it is better achieved by reducing the need for them in the first place.

And good on Oregon and California. Hopefully other states will follow suit. I mean, there are studies that strongly indicate a correlation between comprehensive sex education/access to birth control measures and unplanned and teen pregnancy rates.


I am indeed a rare breed. I'm an atheist conservative who approves of a welfare safety net.

Also, yeah, basically I agree with everything you say. This is the 21st century, basically the majority of people aren't abstinent and aren't abhorred by extra marital sex.
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Postby Mike from Progressive » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:58 pm

Trollgaard wrote:....

Condoms are already available everywhere...


Condoms suck.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:40 pm

Ifreann wrote:But if women don't have unwanted pregnancies, how will they be punished for having sex for fun?


STI/STD's? Abstinence sex ed works wonders.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:43 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But if women don't have unwanted pregnancies, how will they be punished for having sex for fun?


STI/STD's? Abstinence sex ed works wonders.


No... no it doesn't.

Teenagers will have sex, early adults will have sex. It's human nature and you can't stop that. All abstinence does is deprive children of education and knowledge they desperately need.
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Postby Kraylandia » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:45 pm

The Enclave Government wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
STI/STD's? Abstinence sex ed works wonders.


No... no it doesn't.

Teenagers will have sex, early adults will have sex. It's human nature and you can't stop that. All abstinence does is deprive children of education and knowledge they desperately need.


Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. And you could stop that, but it would be painful for everyone and the human race would end. So let's not go down that road.
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