Legalize it All?

[Gim]

Classist and authoritarian, much? Who are you to tell someone how to make their budget?

I would argue that he does kinda have a point in that there are some cases of low-income people using a good part of their money to buysomething cigarettes, although that's different from things like heroin or cocaine.

That being said, we shouldn't ban the poor from buying said drugs if such a situation did occur, but at least try to help them get over their situation.

Maybe, offer cheap or government-funded rehabilitation programs for the low-income families.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Classist and authoritarian, much? Who are you to tell someone how to make their budget?

I would argue that he does kinda have a point in that there are some cases of low-income people using a good part of their money to buysomething cigarettes, although that's different from things like heroin or cocaine.

That being said, we shouldn't ban the poor from buying said drugs if such a situation did occur, but at least try to help them get over their situation.

Oh well. The impoverished don't have much going for them in their life, I don't blame them for spending the little bits of cash they have on short term relief.

[Talvezout]

I would argue that he does kinda have a point in that there are some cases of low-income people using a good part of their money to buysomething cigarettes, although that's different from things like heroin or cocaine.

That being said, we shouldn't ban the poor from buying said drugs if such a situation did occur, but at least try to help them get over their situation.

Oh well. The impoverished don't have much going for them in their life, I don't blame them for spending the little bits of cash they have on short term relief.

Fair point.

That being said, I would also argue that we should help the impoverished who are in said situation get out of said financial difficulties, although that's more common sense.

[Kubra]

2-Students should not be allowed that crap. They should study instead of chewing/smoking/injecting drugs.

what about addy tho

[Prussia-Steinbach]

2-Students should not be allowed that crap. They should study instead of chewing/smoking/injecting drugs.

what about addy tho

Yeah. It's a godsend to kids with actual ADHD, and it's an insanely beneficial study drug to those who aren't.

Should we stop giving it to millions of kids every day?

[Gim]

2-Students should not be allowed that crap. They should study instead of chewing/smoking/injecting drugs.

what about addy tho

Students should learn to focus without it. High school life cannot be compared with college life, as people told me.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

what about addy tho

Students should learn to focus without it. High school life cannot be compared with college life, as people told me.

Are you kidding me? You think kids with a mental illness should just deal with it?

[New confederate ramenia]

Students should learn to focus without it. High school life cannot be compared with college life, as people told me.

Are you kidding me? You think kids with a mental illness should just deal with it?

Dealing with it and treating it are really the only options. IIRC there isn't a cure for ADHD.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Are you kidding me? You think kids with a mental illness should just deal with it?

Dealing with it and treating it are really the only options. IIRC there isn't a cure for ADHD.

Adderall, Focalin, etc, are fully effective treatment for ADHD. So why should we take that away from them, and vastly decrease their quality of life?

[Gim]

Are you kidding me? You think kids with a mental illness should just deal with it?

Dealing with it and treating it are really the only options. IIRC there isn't a cure for ADHD.

True. Why would you make them intake substances that cause further brain damage? That makes absolutely no sense. Blasphemy. Period. There are alternatives.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Dealing with it and treating it are really the only options. IIRC there isn't a cure for ADHD.

True. Why would you make them intake substances that cause further brain damage? That makes absolutely no sense. Blasphemy. Period. There are alternatives.

Source for these medications causing further brain damage. And source for better alternatives.

Let's see if you'll actually answer someone fucking addressing you for once.

[Gim]

True. Why would you make them intake substances that cause further brain damage? That makes absolutely no sense. Blasphemy. Period. There are alternatives.

Source for these medications causing further brain damage. And source for better alternatives.

Let's see if you'll actually answer someone fucking addressing you for once.

Oh, really? Where's your source again, buddy?

[Alvecia]

Source for these medications causing further brain damage. And source for better alternatives.

Let's see if you'll actually answer someone fucking addressing you for once.

Oh, really? Where's your source again, buddy?

Here

[Gim]

Oh, really? Where's your source again, buddy?

Here

Exactly. Google tells me otherwise. So, again, where's his proof?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Here

Exactly. Google tells me otherwise. So, again, where's his proof?

You made the claim, Gim. The burden of proof is on you. Please provide it.

[Italios]

Dealing with it and treating it are really the only options. IIRC there isn't a cure for ADHD.

True. Why would you make them intake substances that cause further brain damage? That makes absolutely no sense. Blasphemy. Period. There are alternatives.

ADHD isn't caused by brain damage.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

True. Why would you make them intake substances that cause further brain damage? That makes absolutely no sense. Blasphemy. Period. There are alternatives.

ADHD isn't caused by brain damage.

It's been fairly well-established certain posters here aren't interested in facts regarding this topic. I doubt you'll get through to him.

[Italios]

ADHD isn't caused by brain damage.

It's been fairly well-established certain posters here aren't interested in facts regarding this topic. I doubt you'll get through to him.

I believe this should clear it up for him.

[Alvecia]

Here

Exactly. Google tells me otherwise. So, again, where's his proof?

*Checks thread history*
*Checks link posted*

All of those links on the first page of Google support both Prussia and ramenia. None of them support you. Did you follow the link?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Exactly. Google tells me otherwise. So, again, where's his proof?

*Checks thread history*
*Checks link posted*

All of those links on the first page of Google support both Prussia and ramenia. None of them support you. Did you follow the link?

He doesn't care. He just says things, ignores everyone proving him wrong, then jumps back in on the next topic.

[Gim]

It's been fairly well-established certain posters here aren't interested in facts regarding this topic. I doubt you'll get through to him.

I believe this should clear it up for him.

I know. I wasn't addressing ADHD. I was trying to address what Prussia-Steinbach said about mental illness. ADHD isn't caused by brain damage.

Also, I misquoted. It probably has to do with my being on mobile.

[Gim]

Exactly. Google tells me otherwise. So, again, where's his proof?

*Checks thread history*
*Checks link posted*

All of those links on the first page of Google support both Prussia and ramenia. None of them support you. Did you follow the link?

Well, I searched on Google and the following came out:
http://www.dualdiagnosis.org/mental-hea ... onnection/

[Prussia-Steinbach]

*Checks thread history*
*Checks link posted*

All of those links on the first page of Google support both Prussia and ramenia. None of them support you. Did you follow the link?

Well, I searched on Google and the following came out:
http://www.dualdiagnosis.org/mental-hea ... onnection/

What... what does... what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

You need to provide: A source for these medications (Adderall, Focalin, etc.) causing brain damage in people with ADHD, and a source for better alternatives to these medications.

[Gim]

Well, I searched on Google and the following came out:
http://www.dualdiagnosis.org/mental-hea ... onnection/

What... what does... what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

You need to provide: A source for these medications (Adderall, Focalin, etc.) causing brain damage in people with ADHD, and a source for better alternatives to these medications.

Again, I'm not talking about ADHD. Read my previous post.

Clearly, the source shows mental illness cannot be cured with drugs that have not been legalized yet.

Also, here's a research study that shows a non-legalized drug causes permanent brain damage:
http://www.yale.edu/opa/arc-ybc/v29.n21/story1.html

There is no definite alternative to the "medications", but prescribed drugs are the most effective way, so far:
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/medi ... -disorders

[Prussia-Steinbach]

What... what does... what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

You need to provide: A source for these medications (Adderall, Focalin, etc.) causing brain damage in people with ADHD, and a source for better alternatives to these medications.

Again, I'm not talking about ADHD. Read my previous post.

Clearly, the source shows mental illness cannot be cured with drugs that have not been legalized yet.

Also, here's a research study that shows a non-legalized drug causes permanent brain damage:
http://www.yale.edu/opa/arc-ybc/v29.n21/story1.html

There is no definite alternative to the "medications", but prescribed drugs are the most effective way, so far:
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/medi ... -disorders

We are talking about ADHD, Gim. That's what we've all been talking about, bud.

Adderall is prescribed. That is literally my entire point, Gim. You said: "Students should learn to focus without it." 'It' referring to Adderall. Why do you think we should stop giving people medication for their ADHD when it is a huge godsend to those with mental illness? Many people can not just "get over it."

I'm trying to be polite and calm here, so please afford me the same courtesy.