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Should we legalize drugs?

Yes, legalize them all.
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Just decriminalize them.
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Only some, not all.
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No.
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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:04 pm

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Well, legalizing it would allow more people to take drugs. Keeping it illegal will not prevent the use of drugs, but, at least, that will mitigate it.

The data shows otherwise.


What data? :)
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:04 pm

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Gim wrote:
Well, legalizing it would allow more people to take drugs. Keeping it illegal will not prevent the use of drugs, but, at least, that will mitigate it.

The data shows otherwise.

Yeah, he's been shown that a number of times. Doesn't seem to really care about those pesky facts.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:08 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The data shows otherwise.

Yeah, he's been shown that a number of times. Doesn't seem to really care about those pesky facts.

Gim wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The data shows otherwise.


What data? :)

I see your point.

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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:10 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Yeah, he's been shown that a number of times. Doesn't seem to really care about those pesky facts.


Oh, you mean, the data without any explanation whatsoever from Britain?

Well, the following shows some hard drugs are as harmful as alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_harm ... nkings.png

Imagine if those hard drugs were actually legalized. Personal harm and social harm score will skyrocket.
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Postby Italios » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:12 pm

Gim wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The data shows otherwise.


What data? :)

These ones.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:13 pm

Gim wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Yeah, he's been shown that a number of times. Doesn't seem to really care about those pesky facts.


Oh, you mean, the data without any explanation whatsoever from Britain?

Well, the following shows some hard drugs are as harmful as alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_harm ... nkings.png

Imagine if those hard drugs were actually legalized. Personal harm and social harm score will skyrocket.

Is you argument really that some illegal things are as harmful as a legal thing, so they should stay illegal?

Look mate, if methamphetamine were legal tomorrow, would you go out and buy some? No? So why would personal harm skyrocket?

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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:14 pm

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Gim wrote:
What data? :)

These ones.


Sadly, I do not like to admit, but drug legalization can bring in more profit, not to mention the boost in tourism my area will get, once the drugs are legalized. Washington and Colorado have many potential tourists.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:18 pm

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Sadly, I do not like to admit, but drug legalization can bring in more profit, not to mention the boost in tourism my area will get, once the drugs are legalized. Washington and Colorado have many potential tourists.

Yes as has been shown by many sources legalizing, regulating, and taxing narcotics is the wisest solution to the drug issue.

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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:22 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Gim wrote:
Sadly, I do not like to admit, but drug legalization can bring in more profit, not to mention the boost in tourism my area will get, once the drugs are legalized. Washington and Colorado have many potential tourists.

Yes as has been shown by many sources legalizing, regulating, and taxing narcotics is the wisest solution to the drug issue.


Just don't bring it to my face, and everything is fine, I guess. I can't force drug-takers to not take drugs. *shrugs*
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Postby Italios » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:24 pm

Gim wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yes as has been shown by many sources legalizing, regulating, and taxing narcotics is the wisest solution to the drug issue.


Just don't bring it to my face, and everything is fine, I guess. I can't force drug-takers to not take drugs. *shrugs*

Why is this any different than being pro-choice? They are choosing to do drugs; it's their decision and nobody else's what they do to their bodies, regardless of whether it is bad or good. If you are pro-choice, then being against legalising drugs.... Is kind of stupid, to be honest.
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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:27 pm

Italios wrote:
Gim wrote:
Just don't bring it to my face, and everything is fine, I guess. I can't force drug-takers to not take drugs. *shrugs*

Why is this any different than being pro-choice? They are choosing to do drugs; it's their decision and nobody else's what they do to their bodies, regardless of whether it is bad or good. If you are pro-choice, then being against legalising drugs.... Is kind of stupid, to be honest.


Well, with all due respect, there is the choice factor, which I cannot oppose.
Even if you have abortion, your body will not have chronic or long-term damages, whereas, drugs tend to do that, so I was just concerned about the health of drug-takers.
However, what you're saying does not seem to be senseless at all. I can understand. :)
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Postby Italios » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:28 pm

Gim wrote:
Italios wrote:Why is this any different than being pro-choice? They are choosing to do drugs; it's their decision and nobody else's what they do to their bodies, regardless of whether it is bad or good. If you are pro-choice, then being against legalising drugs.... Is kind of stupid, to be honest.


Well, with all due respect, there is the choice factor, which I cannot oppose.
Even if you have abortion, your body will not have chronic or long-term damages, whereas, drugs tend to do that, so I was just concerned about the health of drug-takers.
However, what you're saying does not seem to be senseless at all. I can understand. :)

Not your job or place to worry about them, unless you're their doctor. As long as they do no harm to you, who cares?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:28 pm

Gim wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yes as has been shown by many sources legalizing, regulating, and taxing narcotics is the wisest solution to the drug issue.


Just don't bring it to my face, and everything is fine, I guess. I can't force drug-takers to not take drugs. *shrugs*

I'm not bringing anything anywhere, I'm not even a smoker.
It's a disgusting habit.

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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:30 pm

Italios wrote:
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Well, with all due respect, there is the choice factor, which I cannot oppose.
Even if you have abortion, your body will not have chronic or long-term damages, whereas, drugs tend to do that, so I was just concerned about the health of drug-takers.
However, what you're saying does not seem to be senseless at all. I can understand. :)

Not your job or place to worry about them, unless you're their doctor. As long as they do no harm to you, who cares?


You're right. Maybe legalization is not that bad at all. However, I'd support strict regulation, since I would not want second-hand exposure to drugs.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:31 pm

Gim wrote:
Italios wrote:Not your job or place to worry about them, unless you're their doctor. As long as they do no harm to you, who cares?

You're right. Maybe legalization is not that bad at all. However, I'd support strict regulation, since I would not want second-hand exposure to drugs.

I know when I do heroin I make sure to throw a few handfuls at people in the street just for the shits and giggles.
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Postby Italios » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:32 pm

Gim wrote:
Italios wrote:Not your job or place to worry about them, unless you're their doctor. As long as they do no harm to you, who cares?


You're right. Maybe legalization is not that bad at all. However, I'd support strict regulation, since I would not want second-hand exposure to drugs.

Neither would anyone who doesn't do them, and rightly so. Like smoking, there should be regulations as to where you do it. But you can never stop them from doing it, because you ain't them.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:33 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Gim wrote:You're right. Maybe legalization is not that bad at all. However, I'd support strict regulation, since I would not want second-hand exposure to drugs.

I know when I do heroin I make sure to throw a few handfuls at people in the street just for the shits and giggles.

There goes my villainous plan to pump LSD into the water supply.

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Postby Italios » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:35 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I know when I do heroin I make sure to throw a few handfuls at people in the street just for the shits and giggles.

There goes my villainous plan to pump LSD into the water supply.

Daaaaad, the squid on the side of my Evian water bottle is talking!
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:37 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I know when I do heroin I make sure to throw a few handfuls at people in the street just for the shits and giggles.

There goes my villainous plan to pump LSD into the water supply.

Personally, I think replacing all Portabello and shiitake mushrooms with psilocybe cubensis is a good idea.
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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:37 pm

Italios wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:There goes my villainous plan to pump LSD into the water supply.

Daaaaad, the squid on the side of my Evian water bottle is talking!


Why is your nation flag moving? It keeps on trying to tell me something. :p
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Postby Korhal IVV » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:07 pm

If drugs get legalized, these regulations should be placed-

1-People with low incomes (poverty level) should not be allowed to buy drugs. Drug addiction will eat up what little money they have and keep their families hungry.

2-Students should not be allowed that crap. They should study instead of chewing/smoking/injecting drugs.

3-No drugs for children

4-A drug user can only buy a limited amount a day so that he/she does not overdose.
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Postby Gim » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:10 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:If drugs get legalized, these regulations should be placed-

1-People with low incomes (poverty level) should not be allowed to buy drugs. Drug addiction will eat up what little money they have and keep their families hungry.

2-Students should not be allowed that crap. They should study instead of chewing/smoking/injecting drugs.

3-No drugs for children

4-A drug user can only buy a limited amount a day so that he/she does not overdose.


1 - They should be eligible for medicinal drugs, though.

2 - Set an age limit. Probably no drugs for high school students but for some college students, perhaps.

3 - Fair enough.

4 - Fair enough.

Also, I'd add a 5, saying there should be designated areas for taking drugs, other than home.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:23 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:1-People with low incomes (poverty level) should not be allowed to buy drugs. Drug addiction will eat up what little money they have and keep their families hungry.

Classist and authoritarian, much? Who are you to tell someone how to make their budget?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:25 pm

I support the legalization of all the drugs. Maralize my legijuana!
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Postby Talvezout » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:27 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:1-People with low incomes (poverty level) should not be allowed to buy drugs. Drug addiction will eat up what little money they have and keep their families hungry.

Classist and authoritarian, much? Who are you to tell someone how to make their budget?


I would argue that he does kinda have a point in that there are some cases of low-income people using a good part of their money to buysomething cigarettes, although that's different from things like heroin or cocaine.

That being said, we shouldn't ban the poor from buying said drugs if such a situation did occur, but at least try to help them get over their situation.
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