Legalize it All?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I don't agree with gun legality, too.

Christ, you're just down with a nanny state all the way around, aren't you?

[Zakuvia]

Scientists and pharmaceutical officials. Lethal, as in actually causing death instantaneously, beyond the level of alcohol, tobacco, and certain drugs.

...exactly what kind of drug have you heard of that just causes instant death? People do drugs to get high, what the fuck.

Cocaine, Methamphetaine, Ecstasy and, occasionally alcohol.

I know that you're trying to say there there's no such thing as a drug taken 'recreationally' whose only purpose is suicide, but to ignore first-time overdose or complication deaths is being grossly ignorant.

[Gim]

...exactly what kind of drug have you heard of that just causes instant death? People do drugs to get high, what the fuck.

Cocaine, Methamphetaine, Ecstasy and, occasionally alcohol.

I know that you're trying to say there there's no such thing as a drug taken 'recreationally' whose only purpose is suicide, but to ignore first-time overdose or complication deaths is being grossly ignorant.

There you go.

[Ashmoria]

...exactly what kind of drug have you heard of that just causes instant death? People do drugs to get high, what the fuck.

Cocaine, Methamphetaine, Ecstasy and, occasionally alcohol.

I know that you're trying to say there there's no such thing as a drug taken 'recreationally' whose only purpose is suicide, but to ignore first-time overdose or complication deaths is being grossly ignorant.

that's the benefit of legalization--it will minimize unintended drug deaths.

why? because the sellers have a vested interest in selling safe(r) standardized products that a person can rely on to be the same every time. sure there would still be people who overdo and kill themselves but that happens today with alcohol, eh? its not a legitimate reason to deny responsible users their fun.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

...exactly what kind of drug have you heard of that just causes instant death? People do drugs to get high, what the fuck.

Cocaine, Methamphetaine, Ecstasy and, occasionally alcohol.

I know that you're trying to say there there's no such thing as a drug taken 'recreationally' whose only purpose is suicide, but to ignore first-time overdose or complication deaths is being grossly ignorant.

He said "unwanted exposure" to such things. I've seen first time overdoses happen fucking in front of me, thanks. And I'd absolutely love if Gim could answer a question directed at him for once in his fucking life.

How are you involuntarily exposed to shit like that, second-hand? If someone, say, spikes your drink, okay, but that's just as illegal as it's ever been (not to mention huge advances in detecting shit like that - nail polish that changes color, for instance). You think people are just going to go around, holding strangers down, and shooting them up with lethal doses of crank? Why the fuck?

Please, answer me that. Explain Gim's nonsensical and insane proposition, one of a variety that he spews across these forums with absolutely no logic or thought backing him up. I'm fucking done. So. Fucking. Done.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Cocaine, Methamphetaine, Ecstasy and, occasionally alcohol.

I know that you're trying to say there there's no such thing as a drug taken 'recreationally' whose only purpose is suicide, but to ignore first-time overdose or complication deaths is being grossly ignorant.

that's the benefit of legalization--it will minimize unintended drug deaths.

why? because the sellers have a vested interest in selling safe(r) standardized products that a person can rely on to be the same every time. sure there would still be people who overdo and kill themselves but that happens today with alcohol, eh? its not a legitimate reason to deny responsible users their fun.

How is that unwanted? Gim said unwanted exposure to drugs. It's not unwanted if you go in a dispensary and buy a fucking point of smack for yourself and head home and bang it.

[Zakuvia]

Cocaine, Methamphetaine, Ecstasy and, occasionally alcohol.

I know that you're trying to say there there's no such thing as a drug taken 'recreationally' whose only purpose is suicide, but to ignore first-time overdose or complication deaths is being grossly ignorant.

that's the benefit of legalization--it will minimize unintended drug deaths.

why? because the sellers have a vested interest in selling safe(r) standardized products that a person can rely on to be the same every time. sure there would still be people who overdo and kill themselves but that happens today with alcohol, eh? its not a legitimate reason to deny responsible users their fun.

Actually I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate reason, for the reasons mentioned earlier. Again, it's hard being told 'no', but I see the costs to human life and happiness as being infinitely greater than the occasional toke or sip for fun and profit. I can't rightfully imagine that the hundreds of thousands of people slain and families ruined either directly or indirectly by alcohol alone would say to anyone that these were acceptable collateral damage for the sake of 'fun'.

[Ashmoria]

that's the benefit of legalization--it will minimize unintended drug deaths.

why? because the sellers have a vested interest in selling safe(r) standardized products that a person can rely on to be the same every time. sure there would still be people who overdo and kill themselves but that happens today with alcohol, eh? its not a legitimate reason to deny responsible users their fun.

How is that unwanted? Gim said unwanted exposure to drugs. It's not unwanted if you go in a dispensary and buy a fucking point of smack for yourself and head home and bang it.

oh I cant be bothered to worry about inconsistencies and irrelevancies in other poster's posts. I just like to make points that kind of go along with something in the post.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Actually I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate reason, for the reasons mentioned earlier. Again, it's hard being told 'no', but I see the costs to human life and happiness as being infinitely greater than the occasional toke or sip for fun and profit. I can't rightfully imagine that the hundreds of thousands of people slain and families ruined either directly or indirectly by alcohol alone would say to anyone that these were acceptable collateral damage for the sake of 'fun'.

No, it's for the sake of bodily sovereignty and basic personal freedom.

Let's talk to the fucking millions of people and their families locked up in prison because they had a small amount of marijuana on them. The guy who got life with no parole for "conspiracy to distribute LSD" when he was never even in possession of any.

The War on Drugs has hurt way more people than drugs ever have directly.

[Ashmoria]

that's the benefit of legalization--it will minimize unintended drug deaths.

why? because the sellers have a vested interest in selling safe(r) standardized products that a person can rely on to be the same every time. sure there would still be people who overdo and kill themselves but that happens today with alcohol, eh? its not a legitimate reason to deny responsible users their fun.

Actually I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate reason, for the reasons mentioned earlier. Again, it's hard being told 'no', but I see the costs to human life and happiness as being infinitely greater than the occasional toke or sip for fun and profit. I can't rightfully imagine that the hundreds of thousands of people slain and families ruined either directly or indirectly by alcohol alone would say to anyone that these were acceptable collateral damage for the sake of 'fun'.

and yet we DO accept that collateral damage, eh?

[Ashmoria]

Actually I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate reason, for the reasons mentioned earlier. Again, it's hard being told 'no', but I see the costs to human life and happiness as being infinitely greater than the occasional toke or sip for fun and profit. I can't rightfully imagine that the hundreds of thousands of people slain and families ruined either directly or indirectly by alcohol alone would say to anyone that these were acceptable collateral damage for the sake of 'fun'.

No, it's for the sake of bodily sovereignty and basic personal freedom.

Let's talk to the fucking millions of people and their families locked up in prison because they had a small amount of marijuana on them. The guy who got life with no parole for "conspiracy to distribute LSD" when he was never even in possession of any.

The War on Drugs has hurt way more people than drugs ever have directly.

the war on drugs is what makes drug use so dangerous.

I know no one who has been harmed by marijuana but many who have been harmed by getting caught with marijuana.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No, it's for the sake of bodily sovereignty and basic personal freedom.

Let's talk to the fucking millions of people and their families locked up in prison because they had a small amount of marijuana on them. The guy who got life with no parole for "conspiracy to distribute LSD" when he was never even in possession of any.

The War on Drugs has hurt way more people than drugs ever have directly.

the war on drugs is what makes drug use so dangerous.

I know no one who has been harmed by marijuana but many who have been harmed by getting caught with marijuana.

Exactly.

I'm waiting, Posters Who'd Like To Run My Life.

[Greater North American Union]

Scientists and pharmaceutical officials. Lethal, as in actually causing death instantaneously, beyond the level of alcohol, tobacco, and certain drugs.

guns are legal for general use and you worry about lethal drugs

Medical malpractice kills 10 times as many people every year as gun crime. Pharmaceuticals and car wrecks (usually as a result of alcohol) each kill 3 times as many. Abuse of drugs like Heroin and Meth are about equally as deadly on their own, and kill several times as many combined. From a public health perspective, gun violence is pretty low on the list.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Medical malpractice kills 10 times as many people every year as gun crime. Pharmaceuticals and car wrecks (usually as a result of alcohol) each kill 3 times as many. Abuse of drugs like Heroin and Meth are about equally as deadly on their own, and kill several times as many combined. From a public health perspective, gun violence is pretty low on the list.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm really hoping you're joking, but if you aren't? Source that shit. Since I already know it's a lie.

[Greater North American Union]

Medical malpractice kills 10 times as many people every year as gun crime. Pharmaceuticals and car wrecks (usually as a result of alcohol) each kill 3 times as many. Abuse of drugs like Heroin and Meth are about equally as deadly on their own, and kill several times as many combined. From a public health perspective, gun violence is pretty low on the list.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm really hoping you're joking, but if you aren't? Source that shit. Since I already know it's a lie.

Gun homicide rates:
FBI Homicide Table 8 (2007-2011, 2009-2013)
Expanded homicide data 8: victims by weapon
https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/ ... ta-table-8
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... 9-2013.xls

Medical malpractice:
Starfield, B. (2000, July 26). Is US health really the best in the world? Journal of the American Medical Association, 284(4), 483-485.
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/issu ... sueid=4745

Drug deaths:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics ... eath-rates

[Prussia-Steinbach]

hahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm really hoping you're joking, but if you aren't? Source that shit. Since I already know it's a lie.

Gun homicide rates:
FBI Homicide Table 8 (2007-2011, 2009-2013)
Expanded homicide data 8: victims by weapon
https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/ ... ta-table-8
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... 9-2013.xls

Medical malpractice:
Starfield, B. (2000, July 26). Is US health really the best in the world? Journal of the American Medical Association, 284(4), 483-485.
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/issu ... sueid=4745

Drug deaths:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics ... eath-rates

Prescription drugs.

We're talking about illegal ones.

It's not far-fetched to bet a good portion of those ODs were from people who obtained them legally.

Anyway.

[Greater North American Union]

Gun homicide rates:
FBI Homicide Table 8 (2007-2011, 2009-2013)
Expanded homicide data 8: victims by weapon
https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/ ... ta-table-8
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... 9-2013.xls

Medical malpractice:
Starfield, B. (2000, July 26). Is US health really the best in the world? Journal of the American Medical Association, 284(4), 483-485.
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/issu ... sueid=4745

Drug deaths:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics ... eath-rates

Prescription drugs.

We're talking about illegal ones.

It's not far-fetched to bet a good portion of those ODs were from people who obtained them legally.

Anyway.

Oh you misunderstand me. I don't think drugs should be illegal. I think it's silly to be more upset about a smaller death statistic than a bigger one.

I'm generally opposed to banning private citizens from doing or owning anything. Regulate, don't ban. If people do something stupid and get killed, that's nobody's fault but their own.

[Zakuvia]

Actually I'd say it's a perfectly legitimate reason, for the reasons mentioned earlier. Again, it's hard being told 'no', but I see the costs to human life and happiness as being infinitely greater than the occasional toke or sip for fun and profit. I can't rightfully imagine that the hundreds of thousands of people slain and families ruined either directly or indirectly by alcohol alone would say to anyone that these were acceptable collateral damage for the sake of 'fun'.

No, it's for the sake of bodily sovereignty and basic personal freedom.

Let's talk to the fucking millions of people and their families locked up in prison because they had a small amount of marijuana on them. The guy who got life with no parole for "conspiracy to distribute LSD" when he was never even in possession of any.

The War on Drugs has hurt way more people than drugs ever have directly.

Actually, and this is supported by posts I've made earlier in this thread, I'm in support of marijuana legalization, and I even agree with (I forget the word for 'legally undoing') usage and possession charges in the case thereof. There hasn't been (to my knowledge) a single overdose death due to marijuana in recorded history. Some accidental fatalities here and there, but even I can accept the analogy (again, used previously) that things like cars and roller coasters kill people by accident due to no fault of the intent of the product.

I may not agree with much beyond medical legalization, but I can rationally say that if I had a choice between a toke and a Rum and Coke? I'd light up 10/10 times. (Supposing I wouldn't lose my job for it, etc.)

[Korhal IVV]

what we have now in the big picture aint working and who decides whats lethal?

Scientists and pharmaceutical officials. Lethal, as in actually causing death instantaneously, beyond the level of alcohol, tobacco, and certain drugs.

Tobacco is bad for the lungs

[Gim]

Scientists and pharmaceutical officials. Lethal, as in actually causing death instantaneously, beyond the level of alcohol, tobacco, and certain drugs.

Tobacco is bad for the lungs

Yes, but it does not cause significant brain damage like cocaine or heroin, or even marijuana.

[Korhal IVV]

Informing people of the sideffects usually doesn't stop them... Instead they just keep taking more.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Tobacco is bad for the lungs

Yes, but it does not cause significant brain damage like cocaine or heroin, or even marijuana.

Source that cocaine, heroin, or marijuana cause brain damage in mentally healthy adults.

[Gim]

Informing people of the sideffects usually doesn't stop them... Instead they just keep taking more.

Well, legalizing it would allow more people to take drugs. Keeping it illegal will not prevent the use of drugs, but, at least, that will mitigate it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Well, legalizing it would allow more people to take drugs. Keeping it illegal will not prevent the use of drugs, but, at least, that will mitigate it.

False. As I've source in the OP, drug decriminalization has caused use to go down; in America, prohibition of alcohol caused drinking to rise, and it went back down with its abolition.

Care to actually address any of this, Gim, or will you just ignore my entirely-justified questions and factual disproving of your argument?

[Genivaria]

Informing people of the sideffects usually doesn't stop them... Instead they just keep taking more.

Well, legalizing it would allow more people to take drugs. Keeping it illegal will not prevent the use of drugs, but, at least, that will mitigate it.

The data shows otherwise.