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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:21 am

Aelex wrote:You american have your hour of P.E in the morning? It's quite strange. Here, we have them as the last classes of the day, usually from 15:00 to 17:00 or 16:00 to 18:00.

It's a viable tactic if you take a few moments to think about it. Exhaust them at the beginning of the day, that way they'll be pleasantly calm for the rest of the school hours.
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Postby United States of Natan » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:26 am

No, no we do not. I'm a senior, so I don't have to take gym, but when I took it the past three years, we never showered; not enough time to do that and get changed in 5 minutes. Besides, you'd get teased if you did, and it's not like the teachers would do anything about it; they couldn't care less.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:27 am

Aelex wrote:You american have your hour of P.E in the morning? It's quite strange. Here, we have them as the last classes of the day, usually from 15:00 to 17:00 or 16:00 to 18:00.


"Hour" ? We had 2 hours every thursday... including 15 minutes to shower. Which we had to.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:51 am

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Aelex wrote:You american have your hour of P.E in the morning? It's quite strange. Here, we have them as the last classes of the day, usually from 15:00 to 17:00 or 16:00 to 18:00.

"Hour" ? We had 2 hours every thursday... including 15 minutes to shower. Which we had to.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:47 am

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Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I never said that must be the policy. I'm all for voluntary showers. I just don't understand how a bunch of stinky kids can shame the one kid that actually wants to be clean out of showering. It should be the other way around.

Yeah, you try to actively mock the overwhelming majority in front of you (for real, not internet crowds) and see how that works out.


It wouldn't be the first time. :p

But that's a decision my nephew has to make, not me. But I have encouraged him to do so. I even gave him some pointers. :)
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Postby Chinese Peoples » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:22 pm

Not enough time when periods last 45 minutes. ;)
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:23 pm

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Aelex wrote:You american have your hour of P.E in the morning? It's quite strange. Here, we have them as the last classes of the day, usually from 15:00 to 17:00 or 16:00 to 18:00.


At my school, the day is split into seven periods and a lunch. For example, first period starts at 7:50 AM while 7th period starts at 1:05 PM (13:05). You can have PE in any one of those periods.


My school had a similar system, though I am not sure if the exact start times of the periods were the same. It has been a while since I was in school.

Also, Aelex, Americans aren't normally in school till 17:00 or 18:00 unless it's a college course. My high school let out at 14:10.
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Postby Kraylandia » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:28 pm

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Aelex wrote:You american have your hour of P.E in the morning? It's quite strange. Here, we have them as the last classes of the day, usually from 15:00 to 17:00 or 16:00 to 18:00.

It's a viable tactic if you take a few moments to think about it. Exhaust them at the beginning of the day, that way they'll be pleasantly calm for the rest of the school hours.


Yeah, that would be excellent if they actually exhausted kids out these days. Most PE classes are spent sitting at the side and chatting, or simply walking which obviously wouldn't do anything. And apparently seniors can we even opt out of PE, which wasn't a thing for me.
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Postby Aelex » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:36 pm

USS Monitor wrote:My school had a similar system, though I am not sure if the exact start times of the periods were the same. It has been a while since I was in school.

Also, Aelex, Americans aren't normally in school till 17:00 or 18:00 unless it's a college course. My high school let out at 14:10.

O_o

Damn. I'm in College and I've been working from Monday to Friday from 8:00 to 18:00 with only a one hour lunch break at 13:00, since basically mid-highschool... It seem like the trope of "French are lazy" seem to be kinda reversed in that case :p
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:51 pm

Aelex wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:My school had a similar system, though I am not sure if the exact start times of the periods were the same. It has been a while since I was in school.

Also, Aelex, Americans aren't normally in school till 17:00 or 18:00 unless it's a college course. My high school let out at 14:10.

O_o

Damn. I'm in College and I've been working from Monday to Friday from 8:00 to 18:00 with only a one hour lunch break at 13:00, since basically mid-highschool... It seem like the trope of "French are lazy" seem to be kinda reversed in that case :p


I guess French schools are not lazy.

I think my high school started at 7 or 7:30, but then we got out early in the afternoon. I had to get up waaaaayyyy too early in the morning because of the early start time and a long bus ride. I would get up at 6 or so, and it would still be dark outside if it was winter.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:52 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Aelex wrote:O_o

Damn. I'm in College and I've been working from Monday to Friday from 8:00 to 18:00 with only a one hour lunch break at 13:00, since basically mid-highschool... It seem like the trope of "French are lazy" seem to be kinda reversed in that case :p


I guess French schools are not lazy.

I think my high school started at 7 or 7:30, but then we got out early in the afternoon. I had to get up waaaaayyyy too early in the morning because of the early start time and a long bus ride. I would get up at 6 or so, and it would still be dark outside if it was winter.


At my High School, school starts at 9. However, my bus leaves at 8. So i'm usually up at 7. We get dismissed at 3:30 PM.
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Postby Gim » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:54 pm

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I guess French schools are not lazy.

I think my high school started at 7 or 7:30, but then we got out early in the afternoon. I had to get up waaaaayyyy too early in the morning because of the early start time and a long bus ride. I would get up at 6 or so, and it would still be dark outside if it was winter.


At my High School, school starts at 9. However, my bus leaves at 8. So i'm usually up at 7. We get dismissed at 3:30 PM.


Ours is 8:30 to 2:45. P.E. classes can either be early or late.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:59 pm

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I guess French schools are not lazy.

I think my high school started at 7 or 7:30, but then we got out early in the afternoon. I had to get up waaaaayyyy too early in the morning because of the early start time and a long bus ride. I would get up at 6 or so, and it would still be dark outside if it was winter.


At my High School, school starts at 9. However, my bus leaves at 8. So i'm usually up at 7. We get dismissed at 3:30 PM.


That is better.

In the county where I went to school, they used the same buses for elementary school, middle school, and high school; so the schools had to start at different times to give the buses enough time to drop off one set of kids and go pick up the others. High schools got the earliest schedule, then middle schools, and elementary schools started latest.

But it's not a good system. There is a lot of research showing that early start times are not good for teenagers' health.
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Postby Gim » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:01 pm

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At my High School, school starts at 9. However, my bus leaves at 8. So i'm usually up at 7. We get dismissed at 3:30 PM.


That is better.

In the county where I went to school, they used the same buses for elementary school, middle school, and high school; so the schools had to start at different times to give the buses enough time to drop off one set of kids and go pick up the others. High schools got the earliest schedule, then middle schools, and elementary schools started latest.

But it's not a good system. There is a lot of research showing that early start times are not good for teenagers' health.


Really? I never read about it. When is the ideal time for them to wake up?
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Postby Coulee Croche » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:06 pm

I've honestly never heard of schools having showers, and I went to 4 schools in my area. Honestly, I think they would be pointless here, because the heat is so bad you'll start sweating as soon as you walk outside. So maybe we are used to the smell of sweat :p . Except for those goddamned football players, but of course they shower after practice/game which is always after school.
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Postby Psychovania » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:06 pm

The issue I see is fear of lawsuit.

A government agency (i.e. the school) compelling teenage kids to take their clothes off (even with the best intentions) is bound to get some kind of uproar in this age. Beyond that, people are more sensitive. Teasing, exposure to human bodies, etc. is more taboo than it used to be.

My school was built pretty recently (after 2000) and has showers, but they're never used as far as I can tell. It's possible the sports teams use them after school, or it could just be a recycled blueprint.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:07 pm

Gim wrote:
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That is better.

In the county where I went to school, they used the same buses for elementary school, middle school, and high school; so the schools had to start at different times to give the buses enough time to drop off one set of kids and go pick up the others. High schools got the earliest schedule, then middle schools, and elementary schools started latest.

But it's not a good system. There is a lot of research showing that early start times are not good for teenagers' health.


Really? I never read about it. When is the ideal time for them to wake up?


Different people get up at different times, but if you are being forced to get up earlier than you naturally would, the sleep deprivation is bad for your mental health and ability to focus.
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Postby Gim » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:07 pm

Psychovania wrote:The issue I see is fear of lawsuit.

A government agency (i.e. the school) compelling teenage kids to take their clothes off (even with the best intentions) is bound to get some kind of uproar in this age. Beyond that, people are more sensitive. Teasing, exposure to human bodies, etc. is more taboo than it used to be.


You can always take showers with shorts and/or shirt on you. :)
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Postby Natapoc » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:09 pm

Although I worry that the recent no showering trend could be a sign of some very negative social trends. I'm glad kids do not have to shower in school anymore. School showers have traditionally been a source of fear, bullying, and transmission of fungal illnesses.
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Postby Coulee Croche » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:10 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Aelex wrote:O_o

Damn. I'm in College and I've been working from Monday to Friday from 8:00 to 18:00 with only a one hour lunch break at 13:00, since basically mid-highschool... It seem like the trope of "French are lazy" seem to be kinda reversed in that case :p


I guess French schools are not lazy.

I think my high school started at 7 or 7:30, but then we got out early in the afternoon. I had to get up waaaaayyyy too early in the morning because of the early start time and a long bus ride. I would get up at 6 or so, and it would still be dark outside if it was winter.

I would have to get up at 5 to catch the bus. Living in the country area, the bus has to go down theses mile long roads to pick up one or two kids. We'd get to school at about 7. Classes started at 8.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:21 pm

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I guess French schools are not lazy.

I think my high school started at 7 or 7:30, but then we got out early in the afternoon. I had to get up waaaaayyyy too early in the morning because of the early start time and a long bus ride. I would get up at 6 or so, and it would still be dark outside if it was winter.

I would have to get up at 5 to catch the bus. Living in the country area, the bus has to go down theses mile long roads to pick up one or two kids. We'd get to school at about 7. Classes started at 8.


I had a long ride, even though it was not a rural area, because I was going to a magnet program in another town.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:25 pm

Natapoc wrote:Although I worry that the recent no showering trend could be a sign of some very negative social trends. I'm glad kids do not have to shower in school anymore. School showers have traditionally been a source of fear, bullying, and transmission of fungal illnesses.

No, but, you see, they might be a bit smelly, and and hygiene.
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Postby Gim » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:26 pm

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Natapoc wrote:Although I worry that the recent no showering trend could be a sign of some very negative social trends. I'm glad kids do not have to shower in school anymore. School showers have traditionally been a source of fear, bullying, and transmission of fungal illnesses.

No, but, you see, they might be a bit smelly, and and hygiene.


I mean, shower stalls would be ideal, in this case.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:29 pm

Natapoc wrote:Although I worry that the recent no showering trend could be a sign of some very negative social trends. I'm glad kids do not have to shower in school anymore. School showers have traditionally been a source of fear, bullying, and transmission of fungal illnesses.


That's what supervision and/or basic maintenance is supposed to take care of. I'm also concerned about a social trend. Why are our kids so afraid and insecure?
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Postby Czechanada » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:41 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Natapoc wrote:Although I worry that the recent no showering trend could be a sign of some very negative social trends. I'm glad kids do not have to shower in school anymore. School showers have traditionally been a source of fear, bullying, and transmission of fungal illnesses.


That's what supervision and/or basic maintenance is supposed to take care of. I'm also concerned about a social trend. Why are our kids so afraid and insecure?


There's a really, really long answer for this that I don't have the time to write.

It's not the question of the kids themselves. It's the fact the the structure of high schools have changed.
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