Should illegals be given the right to Vote

[Pan Asian Amercian Coalition]

No. They're missing the primary requirement of voting, which is to be a lawful US Citizen.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You haven't given me any sources. At least not any links, which I can use to verify you are not just making up stuff.

...you quoted my post that sourced it all.

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Why would an illegal immigrant pay taxes, when they don't officially exist?

Do you not know how taxes work...?

Have you ever seen a pay stub? Well, on it, it shows the amount of money you earned and the hours you worked. Then, it shows the variety of government agencies that garnished your wages - Social Security, Medicare, etc. That still happens with undocumented immigrants. Not to mention sales taxes - I assume you know what that is.

Why would the government not deport the illegal immigrant when they detect him/her?

...do you really think the government has the resources to just go arrest and deport every illegal family that pops up on their radar? Or that they even have the means to detect every undocumented worker?

[Ardoki]

You haven't given me any sources. At least not any links, which I can use to verify you are not just making up stuff.

...you quoted my post that sourced it all.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p26723599

Why would an illegal immigrant pay taxes, when they don't officially exist?

Do you not know how taxes work...?

Have you ever seen a pay stub? Well, on it, it shows the amount of money you earned and the hours you worked. Then, it shows the variety of government agencies that garnished your wages - Social Security, Medicare, etc. That still happens with undocumented immigrants. Not to mention sales taxes - I assume you know what that is.

Why would the government not deport the illegal immigrant when they detect him/her?

...do you really think the government has the resources to just go arrest and deport every illegal family that pops up on their radar? Or that they even have the means to detect every undocumented worker?

You claimed you had given me sources. That post was not in reply to me.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If non-citizens have all the rights of citizens. There is no point in citizenship.

Good point! Let's just do away with nation-states all together, shall we? They're an outdated concept. Fuck borders.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You claimed you had given me sources. That post was not in reply to me.

...okay. Well, there they are. Care to address anything in my post?

[Ardoki]

If non-citizens have all the rights of citizens. There is no point in citizenship.

Good point! Let's just do away with nation-states all together, shall we? They're an outdated concept. Fuck borders.

I would like that.

However unfortunately harmful views are very popular in some parts of the world. I don't want to live in such a state.

[Kubra]

...you quoted my post that sourced it all.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p26723599

Do you not know how taxes work...?

Have you ever seen a pay stub? Well, on it, it shows the amount of money you earned and the hours you worked. Then, it shows the variety of government agencies that garnished your wages - Social Security, Medicare, etc. That still happens with undocumented immigrants. Not to mention sales taxes - I assume you know what that is.

...do you really think the government has the resources to just go arrest and deport every illegal family that pops up on their radar? Or that they even have the means to detect every undocumented worker?

You claimed you had given me sources. That post was not in reply to me.

but you replied to it.

[Mike from Progressive]

That's why we should allow non-citizens the right to vote, but we just give them three-fifths of the vote. The language in the constitutionis already there so we just modify it a bit and voila- equality.

No.

That would shift Western countries to the far-right. That is something I do not want.

Hmm.

[Mike from Progressive]

If non-citizens have all the rights of citizens. There is no point in citizenship.

Good point! Let's just do away with nation-states all together, shall we? They're an outdated concept. Fuck borders.

Uh...no they aren't. Whether you like it or not, nation-states aren't going away anytime soon. Not even close.

[Ardoki]

No.

That would shift Western countries to the far-right. That is something I do not want.

Hmm.

A lot of immigrants are very socially conservative. They would make the Republican Party even more extreme.

[Mike from Progressive]

Hmm.

A lot of immigrants are very socially conservative. They would make the Republican Party even more extreme.

hmmm

[Kubra]

Hmm.

A lot of immigrants are very socially conservative. They would make the Republican Party even more extreme.

o rly
who says

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Good point! Let's just do away with nation-states all together, shall we? They're an outdated concept. Fuck borders.

Uh...no they aren't. Whether you like it or not, nation-states aren't going away anytime soon. Not even close.

Doesn't mean we have to respect their existence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_i ... ted_States

[Confederation of Common Sense]

If non-citizens have all the rights of citizens. There is no point in citizenship.

So should citizens be allowed to just murder non-citizens because they don't deserve rights? Is that what I'm hearing from you?

[Ardoki]

A lot of immigrants are very socially conservative. They would make the Republican Party even more extreme.

o rly
who says

Polls.

[Mike from Progressive]

Uh...no they aren't. Whether you like it or not, nation-states aren't going away anytime soon. Not even close.

Doesn't mean we have to respect their existence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_i ... ted_States

Of course we do. Resources are still valuable and the mentality of people has been and always will be: Me first."

[Hugdom]

So it's not a right

voting is a right that every citizen has.

If you need to be a citizen, it's not a right it's a privledge. Rights acording to the US are god given not state given. But governments are nut cases when it comes to keeping their values.

[Mike from Progressive]

o rly
who says

Polls.

Have you ever heard of the three-fifths compromise?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

o rly
who says

Polls.

Just going to ignore me? Not even a quick "oh I was wrong okay?"

[Ardoki]

If non-citizens have all the rights of citizens. There is no point in citizenship.

So should citizens be allowed to just murder non-citizens because they don't deserve rights? Is that what I'm hearing from you?

When I said "rights of citizens", I meant the rights only citizens have (such as voting).

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So should citizens be allowed to just murder non-citizens because they don't deserve rights? Is that what I'm hearing from you?

When I said "rights of citizens", I meant the rights only citizens have (such as voting).

Who determines what rights non-citizens have?

[Ardoki]

Polls.

Have you ever heard of the three-fifths compromise?

That was racist and white supremacist.

So we shouldn't use it.

[Mike from Progressive]

Have you ever heard of the three-fifths compromise?

That was racist and white supremacist.

So we shouldn't use it.

Yes, that's what we call sarcasm.

[Ardoki]

When I said "rights of citizens", I meant the rights only citizens have (such as voting).

Who determines what rights non-citizens have?

The state technically has the final say over all rights granted in its jurisdiction.

Though the UDHR details what should be considered as human rights. (That means rights for everyone)

[Flarbinia]

"Illegals" are called that because they broke the law. Giving illegal immigrants the right to vote is like electing Charles Manson as president: it ain't gonna happen because it is immoral and wrong.