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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:36 am

European cities tend to be more densely packaged, even the small towns. Urban sprawl is a thing in the States. Only the big cities have reliable public transportation.

Let's say I wanted to go to Philly without a car, I'd have to magically teleport to the nearest train station, which is in Harrisburg, if coming from my college. Sure, I could call an Uber, but the expense (I think it would be $58-77 according to something I found online), it's a private taxi, which is usually the least cost effective means of public transit. Or if I left from my home, I'd have to go to the train station in Newark. I could also board a coach, but I don't know how much that is. Plus, the nearest SEPTA hub is in West Chester, which is about a 40 min car drive, again there's Uber, it helps if you have no car, but I think a bus system would be cheaper, but the bus systems are not expansive enough in the US.

But, when I was in Germany for a summer 2 years ago, the bus took me from the town I was in to the bigger city where I would spend most of my time. It was Idstein to Wiesbaden.

In America, the easiest means of transport is a personal car, despite the increasing ridesharing trends. You can do that too in Europe, but the public transit, at least in Germany, is a real alternative. Even walking and cycling works too, yes in the big cities, but also in the smaller cities and towns.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:36 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:I live in Europe and cars are convenient in most urban areas. The only exceptions are certain preserved historically significant areas.


Where you live isn't really where I mean. More like London, or Oxford, or Paris, or Stockholm etc. ... in any of those far western european countries that have no parking in the cities, traffic designed for public transit (i.e. feminist snowplow systems and roundabouts everywhere), massive taxes on cars, or generally hate cars. New York City and San Fransisco in the states can probably be lumped in with those cities too.

You are basically stereotyping.

First, most, if not all cities in Europe have enough parking spaces for the demand.

Second, roundabouts are used for the reason that they allow faster traffic flow. And 'feminist snowplows"? That's some top kek material.

Plus, the only country with large car taxes is Norway, and that's only for ICE ones.
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Postby Patridam » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:50 am

Petrolheadia wrote:You are basically stereotyping.


Which you do with glee about cars, so why not with countries? Mr "You have to be a blind man not to notice that cars from certain countries usually have a certain set of traits."

Second, roundabouts are used for the reason that they allow faster traffic flow. And 'feminist snowplows"? That's some top kek material.


http://heatst.com/world/feminist-snow-p ... tandstill/

Plus, the only country with large car taxes is Norway, and that's only for ICE ones.


As in, most cars? Certainly all the ones that might be available cheaply.
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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:21 am

As it turns out, people, even car guys, don't want "interesting" cars.

Also: "ugliness" does not a bad car make. He brings up the Nissan Cube, it's an interesting vehicle to look at, some would say it's hideous, but it fascinating in a "that's completely different", it absolutely clashes with everything else so it stands out. For some reason the Pontiac Aztek is on the "worst car" lists, it's just ugly, that's it (sure, the build quality is a bit meh, but that's typical 2001 GM), that's why people hate it, same with the Nissan Juke, (man, Nissan's styling is so divisive) but that is, allegedly, more fun than the popular Nissan Rogue, for example.

Mind you, this is the age of monochromatic, red sometimes, colour schemes, people when buying seem to choose safe, conservative options. That seems rich coming from a man who drives a white-black Mercedes sedan, but red looks fantastic on a Mercedes, so does blue, especially in the interior, I love blue leather, and would go for red or burgundy leather, and I would like to have a yellow car. Usually that's saved for performance cars, but why not have more colors to spice up the typical Corolla-esque fare?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:47 am

Patridam wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:You are basically stereotyping.


Which you do with glee about cars, so why not with countries? Mr "You have to be a blind man not to notice that cars from certain countries usually have a certain set of traits."

Second, roundabouts are used for the reason that they allow faster traffic flow. And 'feminist snowplows"? That's some top kek material.


http://heatst.com/world/feminist-snow-p ... tandstill/

Plus, the only country with large car taxes is Norway, and that's only for ICE ones.


As in, most cars? Certainly all the ones that might be available cheaply.

So, you are basing your opinion or mildly popular, or even hated, policies of 2 countries?
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Postby Auzkhia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:24 pm

There will be a new Toyota GT86, and everyone says it should have a turbo.

Screw that, just shove a V6 from a Camry or Avalon in it, or better yet the V8 from the Tundra; optional extras anyone?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:00 pm

Auzkhia wrote:There will be a new Toyota GT86, and everyone says it should have a turbo.

Screw that, just shove a V6 from a Camry or Avalon in it, or better yet the V8 from the Tundra; optional extras anyone?

I don't think they'll build a turbo model. I'm guessing HP output will be below 250. Any more and it would interfere with the Supra.
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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:49 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:There will be a new Toyota GT86, and everyone says it should have a turbo.

Screw that, just shove a V6 from a Camry or Avalon in it, or better yet the V8 from the Tundra; optional extras anyone?

I don't think they'll build a turbo model. I'm guessing HP output will be below 250. Any more and it would interfere with the Supra.

Oh right, they're bringing that back. But, they can put a V6 in it, at most, for a premium, kind of like a Camaro SS, which doesn't really interfere with the Corvette, because GM will be damned if another Grand National usurper stabs their golden boy in the back again. Surely, Toyota could put 400+ bhp in the Supra.

But, it's really a Subaru made platform, so I guess they're stuck sharing the flat-4, for now.
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Postby Licana » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:29 am

>V6
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Postby Patridam » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:32 am

Licana wrote:>V6
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It is unfortunately the way the world is going, with how fuel economy tests (and dealership service departments) favor lower displacement forced induction engines.

Next year they'll be discontinuing the V6 on the Mustang, and probably sometime in the not so distant future the Mustang GT will have a 3.5 liter turbo V6 instead of a V8.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:08 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:I don't think they'll build a turbo model. I'm guessing HP output will be below 250. Any more and it would interfere with the Supra.

Oh right, they're bringing that back. But, they can put a V6 in it, at most, for a premium, kind of like a Camaro SS, which doesn't really interfere with the Corvette, because GM will be damned if another Grand National usurper stabs their golden boy in the back again. Surely, Toyota could put 400+ bhp in the Supra.

But, it's really a Subaru made platform, so I guess they're stuck sharing the flat-4, for now.

I don't think there will be a 400 HP Supra. Too close to the RC-F.
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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:57 am

Patridam wrote:Next year they'll be discontinuing the V6 on the Mustang,

Source?
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Patridam wrote:Next year they'll be discontinuing the V6 on the Mustang,

Source?

Bugger all.
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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:34 am

Licana wrote:>V6
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staph

What? Didn't it have a straight six?
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Bugger all.

IIRC, the articles about suggest that a Ford dealer's order codes have no V6 option, so it is possible that Ford discontinued the V6 for the 2018 model year.

Here's a C&D article about it. This is still hearsay until Ford itself confirms it, but even so, other markets don't get the V6, the ecoboost is more powerful and more fuel efficient, and besides, if you have a Mustang, you might as well get the 5.0 liter V8.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:41 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Licana wrote:>V6
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What? Didn't it have a straight six?
Petrolheadia wrote:Bugger all.

IIRC, the articles about suggest that a Ford dealer's order codes have no V6 option, so it is possible that Ford discontinued the V6 for the 2018 model year.

Here's a C&D article about it. This is still hearsay until Ford itself confirms it, but even so, other markets don't get the V6, the ecoboost is more powerful and more fuel efficient, and besides, if you have a Mustang, you might as well get the 5.0 liter V8.

Well, it's not really worth keeping an engine just for the States, and the 2.3 is probably cheaper to make, so I get it.
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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:52 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:What? Didn't it have a straight six?

IIRC, the articles about suggest that a Ford dealer's order codes have no V6 option, so it is possible that Ford discontinued the V6 for the 2018 model year.

Here's a C&D article about it. This is still hearsay until Ford itself confirms it, but even so, other markets don't get the V6, the ecoboost is more powerful and more fuel efficient, and besides, if you have a Mustang, you might as well get the 5.0 liter V8.

Well, it's not really worth keeping an engine just for the States, and the 2.3 is probably cheaper to make, so I get it.

Not sure where I read this, but V6 mustangs are much more common in fleet sales, (ie Rentals). Even so, Ford has made the 2.3 as a mid-level engine, something more attractive to the buyer.
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Postby Partybus » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:38 pm

Quick note regarding my 08 Mazda3 5 door...

Apparently, my car has a governor, hitting at 120mph...

But, I cannot elaborate further, so as to not incriminate myself...Zoom zoom :)
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Postby Patridam » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:49 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Patridam wrote:Next year they'll be discontinuing the V6 on the Mustang,

Source?


It's not extremely firm, as Ford has declined to comment. But the V6 coupe and V6 convertibles have seemingly disappeared from options lists for 2018, and using dealer networks to inquire with the body type code ends in error messages.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/21/2018 ... uto-no-v6/

It's not particularly hard to see the writing on the wall. For 2015, when introducing the Ecoboost, Ford neglected to incude a V6 premium trim, and did not offer numerous options available on the non-premium ecoboost. Now, for the 2017 model, options have shrank to an alarm system and dealer provided accessories. That's it - on a car that was notable through its history for having a prodigiously long and comprehensive options lists - a car that has miles of options and packages available for the Ecoboost and GT, especially the premium trims. Ford is letting - no, forcing - the V6 to rot on the vine, relegating it to fleets (In this case, rental agencies) just they did with the Panther platform.
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Partybus wrote:Quick note regarding my 08 Mazda3 5 door...

Apparently, my car has a governor, hitting at 120mph...

But, I cannot elaborate further, so as to not incriminate myself...Zoom zoom :)

Do we sound like snitches?
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Postby Partybus » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:16 pm

LOL! I can tell you it was not on a track...

*Actually I'm just being cryptic for fun, I'll elaborate when I have more time.*

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:58 pm

Partybus wrote:Quick note regarding my 08 Mazda3 5 door...

Apparently, my car has a governor, hitting at 120mph...

But, I cannot elaborate further, so as to not incriminate myself...Zoom zoom :)

Sorry, 120 only warrants one "zoom".
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Postby Patridam » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:21 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Licana wrote:>V6
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staph

What? Didn't it have a straight six?
Petrolheadia wrote:Bugger all.

IIRC, the articles about suggest that a Ford dealer's order codes have no V6 option, so it is possible that Ford discontinued the V6 for the 2018 model year.

Here's a C&D article about it. This is still hearsay until Ford itself confirms it, but even so, other markets don't get the V6, the ecoboost is more powerful and more fuel efficient, and besides, if you have a Mustang, you might as well get the 5.0 liter V8.


It's not really that much more powerful and the real world fuel economy is no better. The V6 sou and is better as well and the engine is cheaper, easier to maintain and repair, more reliable, and less to insure.
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Postby Red Mones » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:45 pm

Patridam wrote:It's not really that much more powerful and the real world fuel economy is no better. The V6 sou and is better as well and the engine is cheaper, easier to maintain and repair, more reliable, and less to insure.


I would imagine most people who buy muscle cars want to have an NA V8.

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