Advertisement
by Jochistan » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:43 pm
by Alvecia » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:31 am
by USS Monitor » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:38 am
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:50 am
by USS Monitor » Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:01 am
Conserative Morality wrote:From my scary little perch in Appalachia, the GOP has never had any sanity.
At least not in my lifetime.
by The Archregimancy » Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:23 am
by Ashmoria » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:29 am
The Archregimancy wrote:In the abstract, it's interesting to see the extent to which the Democratic and Republican parties have swapped roles since I first started paying attention to US politics in the 1970s.
Back in the day, the Democratic Party dominated Congress, but the Republican Party had a near-lock on the Electoral College in presidential elections, something which reached its peak (or nadir, depending on your perspective) in 1972 when the Democrats nominated a presidential candidate with strong support from the party's ideologically driven grassroots base that the party establishment thoroughly detested, and who the moderate centre of the national electorate was inherently suspicious of.
I appreciate I do McGovern (who was, after all, a US senator) a disservice by implicitly comparing him with Trump and Carson, I appreciate that the nature of party affiliation and partisanship has changed in the last 40 years, I appreciate that the Eagleton debacle hardly helped, and I also appreciate McGovern faced a significant challenge in going up against a then still-popular incumbent president.
But to paraphrase something that America's greatest humourist didn't actually say, if history doesn't entirely repeat itself, it does at least rhyme; and if I were Reince Priebus, I'd be taking a long, cold, hard look at what happened to the Democrats in 1972.
by Khadgar » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:34 am
Ashmoria wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:In the abstract, it's interesting to see the extent to which the Democratic and Republican parties have swapped roles since I first started paying attention to US politics in the 1970s.
Back in the day, the Democratic Party dominated Congress, but the Republican Party had a near-lock on the Electoral College in presidential elections, something which reached its peak (or nadir, depending on your perspective) in 1972 when the Democrats nominated a presidential candidate with strong support from the party's ideologically driven grassroots base that the party establishment thoroughly detested, and who the moderate centre of the national electorate was inherently suspicious of.
I appreciate I do McGovern (who was, after all, a US senator) a disservice by implicitly comparing him with Trump and Carson, I appreciate that the nature of party affiliation and partisanship has changed in the last 40 years, I appreciate that the Eagleton debacle hardly helped, and I also appreciate McGovern faced a significant challenge in going up against a then still-popular incumbent president.
But to paraphrase something that America's greatest humourist didn't actually say, if history doesn't entirely repeat itself, it does at least rhyme; and if I were Reince Priebus, I'd be taking a long, cold, hard look at what happened to the Democrats in 1972.
i don't have much respect for mr priebus but im pretty sure he is good enough at his job to recognize the spot they are in. but what can he do about it?
by The Archregimancy » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:21 am
Ashmoria wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:In the abstract, it's interesting to see the extent to which the Democratic and Republican parties have swapped roles since I first started paying attention to US politics in the 1970s.
Back in the day, the Democratic Party dominated Congress, but the Republican Party had a near-lock on the Electoral College in presidential elections, something which reached its peak (or nadir, depending on your perspective) in 1972 when the Democrats nominated a presidential candidate with strong support from the party's ideologically driven grassroots base that the party establishment thoroughly detested, and who the moderate centre of the national electorate was inherently suspicious of.
I appreciate I do McGovern (who was, after all, a US senator) a disservice by implicitly comparing him with Trump and Carson, I appreciate that the nature of party affiliation and partisanship has changed in the last 40 years, I appreciate that the Eagleton debacle hardly helped, and I also appreciate McGovern faced a significant challenge in going up against a then still-popular incumbent president.
But to paraphrase something that America's greatest humourist didn't actually say, if history doesn't entirely repeat itself, it does at least rhyme; and if I were Reince Priebus, I'd be taking a long, cold, hard look at what happened to the Democrats in 1972.
i don't have much respect for mr priebus but im pretty sure he is good enough at his job to recognize the spot they are in. but what can he do about it?
by Ashmoria » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:33 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
i don't have much respect for mr priebus but im pretty sure he is good enough at his job to recognize the spot they are in. but what can he do about it?
Very little, probably - at least not for this election. He may, however, be able to look at reforming the process for 2020.
by Ethel mermania » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:45 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Ashmoria wrote:
i don't have much respect for mr priebus but im pretty sure he is good enough at his job to recognize the spot they are in. but what can he do about it?
Very little, probably - at least not for this election. He may, however, be able to look at reforming the process for 2020.
by The Archregimancy » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:57 am
Ashmoria wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Very little, probably - at least not for this election. He may, however, be able to look at reforming the process for 2020.
sure but that's what he TRIED to do after the 2012 defeat--which they were more distressed over than i think they should have been considering how hard it is to defeat an incumbent. the parties have no control over who decides to run (and who of those candidates the base is going to like) and THAT is the unsolvable problem priebus faces.
by Brickistan » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:27 am
by Jamzmania » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:34 am
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Galloism » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:35 am
Jamzmania wrote:I think the GOP is on the right track towards true conservatism. That is what will save the party.
by Cresenthia » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:36 am
Jamzmania wrote:I think the GOP is on the right track towards true conservatism. That is what will save the party.
by Galloism » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:37 am
by Jamzmania » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:39 am
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Brickistan » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:41 am
Jamzmania wrote:Galloism wrote:Strange not at all likely wish: I want Huckabee to win the nomination.
Sanders or Hillary - either one - would wipe the floor with that man.
Everyone goes on about how extreme the GOP has supposedly become, yet no one wonders about the quasi-socialist ideology of the Dems.
by Galloism » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:42 am
Jamzmania wrote:Galloism wrote:Strange not at all likely wish: I want Huckabee to win the nomination.
Sanders or Hillary - either one - would wipe the floor with that man.
Everyone goes on about how extreme the GOP has supposedly become, yet no one wonders about the quasi-socialist ideology of the Dems.
by Galloism » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:43 am
by Jamzmania » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:48 am
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Brickistan » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:48 am
by Galloism » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:49 am
Brickistan wrote:Galloism wrote:Many people in Europe tell me that. From their view, Republicans are far right, and democrats are center right.
Indeed. Seen from Europe, US politic is generally somewhere between fairly hard right and utterly batshit insane right.
The whole political spectrum has shifted dramatically to the right since the days of Reagan, to the point where politicians from that period aren't electable today.
Mind you, we're seeing the same slowly happening in Europe. And personally, I find that downright scary. But sadly, people seems to forget history all to easily...
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: Elejamie, Jerzylvania, Juansonia, Neo-American States, New Temecula, Republics of the Solar Union, The Black Forrest, Tiami, Tungstan, Umeria, Washington-Columbia, X3-U
Advertisement