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by Unpredictable Galaxy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:56 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:58 pm
Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:I would like to state first off that I am a man and a feminist.
Can a person be labeled as a feminist and still want to deny women from having abortions? It feels very contradictory and backwards logic to want women to have greater rights while simultaneously wanting to restrict them. How exactly would you define feminism in these cases?
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Unpredictable Galaxy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:59 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:I would like to state first off that I am a man and a feminist.
Can a person be labeled as a feminist and still want to deny women from having abortions? It feels very contradictory and backwards logic to want women to have greater rights while simultaneously wanting to restrict them. How exactly would you define feminism in these cases?
Ultimately, feminism means standing up for all women's rights, even the right to choose.
by Des-Bal » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:03 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Ultimately, feminism means standing up for all women's rights, even the right to choose.
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by Arcturus Novus » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:04 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Unpredictable Galaxy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:04 pm
by Unpredictable Galaxy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:05 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:
But if someone wants to ban abortions nationwide to where there is no option of choice, what do you say there?
Then that's antifeminist. A woman- really, a person capable of pregnancy- deserves the right to bodily autonomy. If we suppress that right, then we are not acting in the interests of equality among genders.
by Sacred Toast » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:07 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:
But if someone wants to ban abortions nationwide to where there is no option of choice, what do you say there?
Then that's antifeminist. A woman- really, a person capable of pregnancy- deserves the right to bodily autonomy. If we suppress that right, then we are not acting in the interests of equality among genders.
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by The Grene Knyght » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:14 pm
Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:I would like to state first off that I am a man and a feminist.
Can a person be labeled as a feminist and still want to deny women from having abortions? It feels very contradictory and backwards logic to want women to have greater rights while simultaneously wanting to restrict them. How exactly would you define feminism in these cases?
Edit: Sorry if it's veering off an entire discussion going on.
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by Unpredictable Galaxy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:17 pm
The Grene Knyght wrote:Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:I would like to state first off that I am a man and a feminist.
Can a person be labeled as a feminist and still want to deny women from having abortions? It feels very contradictory and backwards logic to want women to have greater rights while simultaneously wanting to restrict them. How exactly would you define feminism in these cases?
Edit: Sorry if it's veering off an entire discussion going on.
It really depends on what definition of feminism you use. The OP of this thread links to 30-something different flavours, so I'd imagina there's some that argue you can be a pro-life feminist.
So I would say yes, you can be labelled a feminist, but not by me.
by Des-Bal » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:17 pm
Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:
You need a hunting license for that, mate.
And this isn't a discussion of right/wrong for abortion, this is about contradictory views within the definition of feminism.
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by The Grene Knyght » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:20 pm
Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:The Grene Knyght wrote:It really depends on what definition of feminism you use. The OP of this thread links to 30-something different flavours, so I'd imagina there's some that argue you can be a pro-life feminist.
So I would say yes, you can be labelled a feminist, but not by me.
Yeah, I don't see it as feminism either. It's just so... backwards. How can you want more and less rights for women? I feel as if those people really haven't delved deep into their ideology and discovered what it truly should work for.
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by RFI » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:21 pm
by Unpredictable Galaxy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:22 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:
You need a hunting license for that, mate.
And this isn't a discussion of right/wrong for abortion, this is about contradictory views within the definition of feminism.
I'm not debating abortion I'm debating murder. The claim was feminism meant standing up for "all women's rights." That leads to the question "what are women's rights?" If someone says that women don't have the right to go around shooting people in the street that's not anti-woman it's simply saying that murder is one of the rights women don't have. A lot of anti-abortion rhetoric comes from a place of controlling women but I don't think all of it does and I don't think that being against abortion means you should be kicked out of the club.
by Arcturus Novus » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:22 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:
You need a hunting license for that, mate.
And this isn't a discussion of right/wrong for abortion, this is about contradictory views within the definition of feminism.
I'm not debating abortion I'm debating murder. The claim was feminism meant standing up for "all women's rights." That leads to the question "what are women's rights?" If someone says that women don't have the right to go around shooting people in the street that's not anti-woman it's simply saying that murder is one of the rights women don't have. A lot of anti-abortion rhetoric comes from a place of controlling women but I don't think all of it does and I don't think that being against abortion means you should be kicked out of the club.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Sacred Toast » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:24 pm
Sacred Toast wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:Then that's antifeminist. A woman- really, a person capable of pregnancy- deserves the right to bodily autonomy. If we suppress that right, then we are not acting in the interests of equality among genders.
1st I would like to saying banning abortions is like banning men from using condoms
2nd I would argue that even if I don't agree with it, it isn't antifeminist because it isn't lowering a woman's rights below men. It is, however a sketchy subject due to the lack of comparison to the male gender
Edit: original said "because it is lowering a women's right"
by RFI » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:26 pm
by Galloism » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:27 pm
RFI wrote:I think that being pro-life is absolutely incompatible with being Feminist.
I know that there are women who call themselves "feminists" while being pro-life but it sounds really absurd to me, like it would be someone calling herself "communist" while voting Trump.
by Arcturus Novus » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:30 pm
Galloism wrote:RFI wrote:I think that being pro-life is absolutely incompatible with being Feminist.
I know that there are women who call themselves "feminists" while being pro-life but it sounds really absurd to me, like it would be someone calling herself "communist" while voting Trump.
Communists for Trump.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by The States of Balloon » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:31 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Unpredictable Galaxy wrote:
But if someone wants to ban abortions nationwide to where there is no option of choice, what do you say there?
Then that's antifeminist. A woman- really, a person capable of pregnancy- deserves the right to bodily autonomy. If we suppress that right, then we are not acting in the interests of equality among genders.
by Des-Bal » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:32 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Nobody has the right to murder except for people that the government hires to do so. And if you say to a woman, "hey, sorry that you don't want this pregnancy, but you can't do shit about it," then that's kind of... I'm not sure if misogynistic is the right word here, but it's certainly unfairly restrictive against women.
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by RFI » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:32 pm
Galloism wrote:RFI wrote:I think that being pro-life is absolutely incompatible with being Feminist.
I know that there are women who call themselves "feminists" while being pro-life but it sounds really absurd to me, like it would be someone calling herself "communist" while voting Trump.
Communists for Trump.
Trump is the essence of the neoliberal system and will further the capitalist system to demise.
by Settrah » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:42 pm
by The Grene Knyght » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:43 pm
RFI wrote:Galloism wrote:Communists for Trump.
Those nuts don't believe Trump is goodTrump is the essence of the neoliberal system and will further the capitalist system to demise.
It's an anti-capitalist strategy, very stupid but still a strategy.
The women who call themselves "feminists" while being pro-life aren't being pro-life as a strategy to destroy the patriarchy.
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