Boxing should be Banned

[Asyir]

Ice Hockey without contact is called figure skating.

You can't have hockey without contact.

The goal of Ice Hockey is to throw the disc in the net, totally unrelated with contact. It's an idea very similar to European soccer, and contact is not allowed within European soccer.

No. Contact is definitely required. You need the stick to make contact with the puck. The skates must make contact with the ice. So yes, contact is actually required.

Plus, without checking or fighting, I wouldn't play hockey. It's fun smacking the shit out of other players. Don't watch it if you don't like it.

And no. It does not promote "masculinity". My sister plays ice hockey and is far from masculine.

[Infected Mushroom]

@ op: How do you sleep at night?

If we banned everything that was remotely harmful to people/potentially harmful, we'd be banning:

*driving
*all polluting factories
*air planes
*all knives
*thumbtacks
*scissors
*fireplaces

Etc. etc. etc.

Boxers know the risk. Nobody makes anyone box. I of course dislike it when anyone is hurt, in any sport, but they know the risks.

its always a balancing act/contextual analysis on a case by case basis based on weighing the social/individual harm against the societal utility

in the case of a car, since it is overwhelmingly the primary and indispensable means of transportation (with essential functions for maintaining the economy etc), the societal utility far outweighs the harm and so regulation is the answer

in the case of boxing, the scales tip overwhelmingly in favour of banning. The harm to the individual and to society far outweighs the entertainment it provides and the unethical profits it provides some individuals with

you do this on a case by case basis, its not all or nothing

[Galloism]

How is boxing "state-sanctioned"? Besides, boxing will still exist irrespective of whether it is legal or illegal; the only difference is that boxing will become more illicit, and, consequently, more dangerous.

its state-sanctioned because the state stands by and collects taxes from the profits made from the unethical sport

I love my state sanctioned liquor, gotta say.

[Valaran]

its state-sanctioned because the state stands by and collects taxes from the profits made from the unethical sport

If that's one of your major complaints, we should probably be focusing on banning smoking first then, well before anything like boxing.

Or maybe arms sales.

Its all well and good (well not really, but never-mind) having these ideals, but at least focus on the most harmful ones first.

[Napkiraly]

Ice Hockey without contact is called figure skating.

You can't have hockey without contact.

The goal of 1)Ice Hockey is to 2)throw the disc in the net, 3)totally unrelated with contact. 4)It's an idea very similar to European soccer, and contact is not allowed within European soccer.

1) Just hockey.
2) Shoot, you shoot the puck into the net. Well, most of the time anyway.
3) How do you think a lot of puck possession is gained?
4) No it isn't. Hockey originates with a bunch of British and Canadians basically taking their ice stick and ball games from Europe and incorporating the holy fuck levels of violence found in lacrosse.

[Infected Mushroom]

its state-sanctioned because the state stands by and collects taxes from the profits made from the unethical sport

If that's one of your major complaints, we should probably be focusing on banning smoking first then, well before anything like boxing.

Or maybe arms sales.

Its all well and good (well not really, but never-mind) having these ideals, but at least focus on the most harmful ones first.

and maybe we should

but those are different topics; I don't see how raising them supports or shuts down a suggestion that boxing, a specific activity, be banned

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at

whether I think other activities should be banned/regulated has no bearing on this subject

[Asyir]

Ice Hockey without contact is called figure skating.

You can't have hockey without contact.

Theoretically you can, but it's as boring as hell.

Just like women's basketball.

I used to watch the girl's high school team. It was quite entertaining.

[Xanama]

I tripped on a sidewalk and hurt my knee once. Sidewalks should be banned.

I'm allergic to lobster. Let's ban lobsters.

I'm allergic to banning things

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Well statutorilly speaking, there is no legislation that makes boxing illegal in anyway, in the same way that Rugby, American Football, Basketball, and Cricket, all of which have had concussion incidents which have also resulted in at-least one official death. As such, though your wish for human beings to be less violent is "adorable" at best and "laughable" at worst, it is possible for that to occur, however (assuming you reside somewhere in the United States as over 50% of the people here are from that country) considering the fact that there are more gun deaths in the States and practically no legislation has been put into place to combat the threat, you should worry more about some random thug breaking into your house and shooting you/your family dead in the middle of the night as opposed to long term deaths associated with boxing...

[Napkiraly]

its state-sanctioned because the state stands by and collects taxes from the profits made from the unethical sport

If that's one of your major complaints, we should probably be focusing on banning smoking first then, well before anything like boxing.

Or maybe arms sales.

Its all well and good (well not really, but never-mind) having these ideals, but at least focus on the most harmful ones first.

IIRC IM is perfectly fine with people owning weapons for whatever reason they desire.

But hold the phone when it comes to boxing or rugby.

[Ragnarheim]

I would like to propose a ban on banning things.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

@ op: How do you sleep at night?

If we banned everything that was remotely harmful to people/potentially harmful, we'd be banning:

*driving
*all polluting factories
*air planes
*all knives
*thumbtacks
*scissors
*fireplaces

Etc. etc. etc.

Boxers know the risk. Nobody makes anyone box. I of course dislike it when anyone is hurt, in any sport, but they know the risks.

its always a balancing act/contextual analysis on a case by case basis based on weighing the social/individual harm against the societal utility

in the case of a car, since it is overwhelmingly the primary and indispensable means of transportation (with essential functions for maintaining the economy etc), the societal utility far outweighs the harm and so regulation is the answer

in the case of boxing, the scales tip overwhelmingly in favour of banning. The harm to the individual and to society far outweighs the entertainment it provides and the unethical profits it provides some individuals with

you do this on a case by case basis, its not all or nothing

...I'm not sure to what extent boxing harms society as you seem to claim. Please support this statement as to what extent and severity the existence of boxing is detrimental to society.

[Chessmistress]

The goal of Ice Hockey is to throw the disc in the net, totally unrelated with contact. It's an idea very similar to European soccer, and contact is not allowed within European soccer.

No. Contact is definitely required. You need the stick to make contact with the puck. The skates must make contact with the ice. So yes, contact is actually required.

Plus, without checking or fighting, I wouldn't play hockey. It's fun smacking the shit out of other players. Don't watch it if you don't like it.

And no. It does not promote "masculinity". My sister plays ice hockey and is far from masculine.

I never linked Ice Hockey to "masculinity".
I said Boxing promote toxic masculinity. Also Rugby and American Football.
But not Ice Hockey, though Ice Hockey is still too violent.

[Napkiraly]

I'm allergic to lobster. Let's ban lobsters.

I'm allergic to banning things

I'm allergic to people who are allergic to banning things.

It seems we have reached an impasse.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Banning something because it's not good for the consenting participants who know the risks to the activity and go for it anyways is a terrible idea. If something does, as I said, only effect those involved and they all are okay with it, I don't see the issue at all. Whether you want them to or not, they'll do it anyways because they want to, and it's a hell of a lot safer if it's legal. All you'd do is make a bunch of people criminals who don't deserve it.

[Valaran]

If that's one of your major complaints, we should probably be focusing on banning smoking first then, well before anything like boxing.

Or maybe arms sales.

Its all well and good (well not really, but never-mind) having these ideals, but at least focus on the most harmful ones first.

and maybe we should

but those are different topics; I don't see how raising them supports or shuts down a suggestion that boxing, a specific activity, be banned

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at

whether I think other activities should be banned/regulated has no bearing on this subject

But I can't see why your priorities are on boxing, and not these. Thousands are dying to the other two each year (as opposed to 200 boxers since 1980), and if they are so unethical as you claim, then they should be the focus well before anyone mentions boxing.

One has limited energy, resources and time, and so it should be diverted towards the more seriously harmful practices. The problems of boxing are incredibly minor when viewed in comparison to the world's real issues, and focusing on anything like this is mostly just a distraction from them.

[Redsection]

We all know how prohibition went.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm allergic to lobster. Let's ban lobsters.

I'm allergic to banning things

That's pretty much what IMs logic in these threads boils down to.

"I don't like X. I'll manufacture some dastardly reason why X should be banned. I don't like it so no one else should be able to do X."

[Napkiraly]

No. Contact is definitely required. You need the stick to make contact with the puck. The skates must make contact with the ice. So yes, contact is actually required.

Plus, without checking or fighting, I wouldn't play hockey. It's fun smacking the shit out of other players. Don't watch it if you don't like it.

And no. It does not promote "masculinity". My sister plays ice hockey and is far from masculine.

I never linked Ice Hockey to "masculinity".
I said Boxing promote toxic masculinity. Also Rugby and American Football.
But not Ice Hockey, though Ice Hockey is still too violent.

Women box. Women play rugby. Women play gridiron football (one of the best linebackers I ever played with was a girl).

[Infected Mushroom]

its always a balancing act/contextual analysis on a case by case basis based on weighing the social/individual harm against the societal utility

in the case of a car, since it is overwhelmingly the primary and indispensable means of transportation (with essential functions for maintaining the economy etc), the societal utility far outweighs the harm and so regulation is the answer

in the case of boxing, the scales tip overwhelmingly in favour of banning. The harm to the individual and to society far outweighs the entertainment it provides and the unethical profits it provides some individuals with

you do this on a case by case basis, its not all or nothing

...I'm not sure to what extent boxing harms society as you seem to claim. Please support this statement as to what extent and severity the existence of boxing is detrimental to society.

over 200 people have died in training/in the ring since 1980 alone

a lot more people have suffered non-fatal but still serious brain injury, trauma, and other long-lasting health problems

furthermore, it condones and promotes an attitude of profiteering over violence

see the sources in the OP

[Second Blazing]

Yet you look to physical injury as the only outcome of boxing. You ignore physical fitness, pleasure in competition, finance, etc, etc.

It doesn't really follow all too logically

Second Blazing doesn't dispute that it is Bad (not in the quote anyways), he's disputing the conditional that follows from something being established as bad. And I don't agree with the conditional.

Of course it's dangerous, but that shouldn't stop anyone from doing anything, and you shouldn't stop someone from doing it simply because it's dangerous.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm allergic to banning things

That's pretty much what IMs logic in these threads boils down to.

"I don't like X. I'll manufacture some dastardly reason why X should be banned. I don't like it so no one else should be able to do X."

if you read the OP carefully, you would see that your statement is a misrepresentation of my position

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I would like to propose a ban on banning things.

Murder and rape are banned...

[Asyir]

No. Contact is definitely required. You need the stick to make contact with the puck. The skates must make contact with the ice. So yes, contact is actually required.

Plus, without checking or fighting, I wouldn't play hockey. It's fun smacking the shit out of other players. Don't watch it if you don't like it.

And no. It does not promote "masculinity". My sister plays ice hockey and is far from masculine.

I never linked Ice Hockey to "masculinity".
I said Boxing promote toxic masculinity. Also Rugby and American Football.
But not Ice Hockey, though Ice Hockey is still too violent.

And why do you care if hockey is violent? How does it effect you?

[Second Blazing]

...I'm not sure to what extent boxing harms society as you seem to claim. Please support this statement as to what extent and severity the existence of boxing is detrimental to society.

over 200 people have died in training/in the ring since 1980 alone

a lot more people have suffered non-fatal but still serious brain injury, trauma, and other long-lasting health problems

furthermore, it condones and promotes an attitude of profiteering over violence

see the sources in the OP

What's wrong with profiting from violence?