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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:38 pm

I suppose it is kind of weird when one of my friends moans that I have a bigger bust than she does.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:06 pm

Vassenor wrote:I suppose it is kind of weird when one of my friends moans that I have a bigger bust than she does.

I wonder what that feels like.
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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:54 pm

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How?


...exactly, what else are they? Is there some kind of hip n' chic Politically Correct way to refer to transgenders now?

...gr8.

Well, if someone used the terms 'the gays' or 'the blacks', you'd jump to conclusions about them, too, right? Transgender people are just that, people. Words carry connotation.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:35 am

Mirakai wrote:I still wish there was a way to have both sets of fully functional genitalia. If there was, I would take it in a heartbeat


I wouldn't even care if they weren't fully functional. I've no desire for reproduction. As long as they work well enough for sex and bodily functions, I'd be good.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:39 am

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Mirakai wrote:Why not?


I'm not exactly sure I trust an anime oriented nation with a signature calling themselves the princess of perverts, wanting "transfuta" to be a thing.

Malintent. It'd be doing it for the sake of a fetish rather than to ally with the intersex (whether or not they are a genetic aberrance or a normal type of human is a can of worms I do not wish to open up in a thread as liberal-as-fuck as this).


Look, I speak from fucking experience here, its not even a fetish. Its legitimately possible for dysphoria to take that effect.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:46 am

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...exactly, what else are they? Is there some kind of hip n' chic Politically Correct way to refer to transgenders now?

...gr8.


"Transpeople" is the term generally used.

"Transgenders/Transgendereds" just sounds like your referring to us as mentally ill.


Actually, I'd say its more like using the term "coloreds" to refer to black people.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:26 am

Mirakai wrote:I still wish there was a way to have both sets of fully functional genitalia. If there was, I would take it in a heartbeat

At last, it isn't meant to be.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:32 am

I wouldn't say that "transgenders" is demeaning. But the grammatical incorrectness of it grates on my nerves extremely. Transgender is an adjective, trying to pluralize it and make it into a noun is annoying. But that may just be because I'm a grammar Nazi.

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Postby Philjia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:46 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:I wouldn't say that "transgenders" is demeaning. But the grammatical incorrectness of it grates on my nerves extremely. Transgender is an adjective, trying to pluralize it and make it into a noun is annoying. But that may just be because I'm a grammar Nazi.


I feel the same way about "leftist". Just call me left wing, that's the proper words for it, bloody use them!
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:48 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:I wouldn't say that "transgenders" is demeaning.


I would. Its depersonalizing in the same way calling black people "coloreds" is.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:53 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:I wouldn't say that "transgenders" is demeaning. But the grammatical incorrectness of it grates on my nerves extremely. Transgender is an adjective, trying to pluralize it and make it into a noun is annoying. But that may just be because I'm a grammar Nazi.

It kinda makes me feel the same way as when people use "gay" or "black" as a noun. It's not a slur, but just sounds wrong, like you are turning a singular personal trait into the definition of my whole being.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:55 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:I wouldn't say that "transgenders" is demeaning. But the grammatical incorrectness of it grates on my nerves extremely. Transgender is an adjective, trying to pluralize it and make it into a noun is annoying. But that may just be because I'm a grammar Nazi.

It kinda makes me feel the same way as when people use "gay" or "black" as a noun. It's not a slur, but just sounds wrong, like you are turning a singular personal trait into the definition of my whole being.

It doesn't just sound wrong. It breaks the rules of grammar.
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Postby Val Halla » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:54 pm

My question about Minneapolis wasn't answered :(
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Postby Fabulous Rainicorns » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:54 pm

Val Halla wrote:My question about Minneapolis wasn't answered :(


What was the question?
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Postby Val Halla » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:35 pm

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Val Halla wrote:My question about Minneapolis wasn't answered :(


What was the question?

Is it good for LGBT people?
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:08 pm

Val Halla wrote:
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What was the question?

Is it good for LGBT people?


I wouldn't know.
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Postby Val Halla » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:10 pm

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Val Halla wrote:Is it good for LGBT people?


I wouldn't know.

You're supposed to be the expert, you American. :p
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:14 pm

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I wouldn't know.

You're supposed to be the expert, you American. :p


I only ever claimed to be an expert on Louisiana and Tennessee. That's at least twice as much geographical area as you're supposed to be expert of. :P
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:17 pm

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Postby Fabulous Rainicorns » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:20 pm

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What was the question?

Is it good for LGBT people?


I have a friend who lives there. I think she said it was pretty good.

One of the colleges I'm considering is there.
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Postby Val Halla » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:21 pm

Fabulous Rainicorns wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Is it good for LGBT people?


I have a friend who lives there. I think she said it was pretty good.

One of the colleges I'm considering is there.

Oh that's good then absolutely
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:23 pm

Val Halla wrote:My question about Minneapolis wasn't answered :(

I've heard the place is awesome. I've mulled the possible move to Minnesota either Minneapolis or Duluth. Both are fine cities, but Duluth is smaller and colder.
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Postby Tamsien » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:49 am

Semi serious question, I welcome silly and serious answers here. Would it be bi if one is either genderfluid or agender? Or would it be something else? I don't know if I'm misunderstanding something, being too strict on the identities, confusing myself by thinking about this, or all of the above.
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Postby Philjia » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:55 am

Tamsien wrote:Semi serious question, I welcome silly and serious answers here. Would it be bi if one is either genderfluid or agender? Or would it be something else? I don't know if I'm misunderstanding something, being too strict on the identities, confusing myself by thinking about this, or all of the above.


Hrmrmrmrm. Our definitions of sexuality are based on a binary idea of gender, so I don't think any of them are applicable. What you could use are androphile, gynephile, and androgynephile(?) since they only depend on the gender of subject of one's desire.
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Postby Tamsien » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:04 am

Philjia wrote:
Tamsien wrote:Semi serious question, I welcome silly and serious answers here. Would it be bi if one is either genderfluid or agender? Or would it be something else? I don't know if I'm misunderstanding something, being too strict on the identities, confusing myself by thinking about this, or all of the above.


Hrmrmrmrm. Our definitions of sexuality are based on a binary idea of gender, so I don't think any of them are applicable. What you could use are androphile, gynephile, and androgynephile(?) since they only depend on the gender of subject of one's desire.

I see... While I have seen these terms would you mind detailing each one in breif? Sorry if this is too time consuming, hehe.

But to describe my current situation I'm agender although more leaning to male (still not quite sure, no dysphoria that I know of as well, but agender seems to click with me a fair bit). I feel /bi/ due to the inherent (and unfortunate) binary norm (and sake of convenience), but I can go any way really. If the personality sticks and I like you a lot and you like me back just the same unconditionally, then we can roll with the romancing and such.

is that pan or is that still within gender binary

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