Is Marriage based upon religion?

[Ethel mermania]

This is the orthodox position in Christianity.

I highly doubt the Orthodox position in Christianity assumes that the Jewish Oral Tradition is correct.

That would be rather contradictory.

Be a lot less pork eaten.

[Olthar]

I believe it's based on the power of love!

Don't be ridiculous. At best, it's only based on temporary mutual lust.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I believe it's based on the power of love!

Don't be ridiculous. At best, it's only based on temporary mutual lust.

Lusting can be quite nice... especially when you can satisfy that lust. Oh!

[New confederate ramenia]

I agree somewhat. Marriage definitely needs to be taken out of government hands, but marriage isn't necessarily religious.

[Morr]

The Pope's hat comes from the Mithraic tradition, predating Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitre

Trinitarian tradition is also of pagan origin.

Nah.

Church offices are mirrored from Roman lore.

Not surprising there, since Roman temples were converted into churches.

Shit, even the title the Pope uses of Supreme Pontiff is from Rome's emperor worship.

The Latin term "pontifus maximus" just means highest priest. And yes, it has been applied to the Pope, but never officially. This is all rather pointless, as well, since none of the traditions (apart from the Trinity) you've named are a matter of substance, they're just aesthetics that can be altered at whim. The Eastern Orthodox Church follows none of them, but they're still extremely similar to the Church of Rome.

[Morr]

I don't accept all legal matters of the Talmud, especially since its oldest written form was assembled long after Christ by people with extremely anti-Christian sentiments. I'm saying that if consent by the woman was established by Jews before Christ, then I consider Christianity an extension of that law.

Things in the Talmund that agree with you: real.
Things in the Talmund that disagree with you: propaganda.
How convenient.

I'm not saying it's real, he is. I'm just saying IF it is real, and predates Christ as he says, that doesn't really impact my perspective.

[Morr]

This is the orthodox position in Christianity.

I highly doubt the Orthodox position in Christianity assumes that the Jewish Oral Tradition is correct.

That would be rather contradictory.

Obviously not any of it abridged by the New Covenant, which was quite a bit. But then, some things are stricter too, like divorce

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The Pope's hat comes from the Mithraic tradition, predating Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitre

Trinitarian tradition is also of pagan origin.

Nah.

Church offices are mirrored from Roman lore.

Not surprising there, since Roman temples were converted into churches.

Shit, even the title the Pope uses of Supreme Pontiff is from Rome's emperor worship.

The Latin term "pontifus maximus" just means highest priest. And yes, it has been applied to the Pope, but never officially. This is all rather pointless, as well, since none of the traditions (apart from the Trinity) you've named are a matter of substance, they're just aesthetics that can be altered at whim. The Eastern Orthodox Church follows none of them, but they're still extremely similar to the Church of Rome.

So the official list of titles of the Catholic Church doesn't call him Supreme Pontiff? Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annuario_Pontificio

Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the Vatican City State, Servant of the servants of God.

[Morr]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitre



Nah.



Not surprising there, since Roman temples were converted into churches.



The Latin term "pontifus maximus" just means highest priest. And yes, it has been applied to the Pope, but never officially. This is all rather pointless, as well, since none of the traditions (apart from the Trinity) you've named are a matter of substance, they're just aesthetics that can be altered at whim. The Eastern Orthodox Church follows none of them, but they're still extremely similar to the Church of Rome.

So the official list of titles of the Catholic Church doesn't call him Supreme Pontiff? Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annuario_Pontificio

Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the Vatican City State, Servant of the servants of God.

It's certainly acceptable for others to call him, since that is the Latin term for exactly what he is. But it's never been used in his official capacity, no.

[New confederate ramenia]

Oh wow, this is definitely rich and hilarious. Stupid, but rich and hilarious.

This is the orthodox position in Christianity.

I'm Catholic and I've never heard anything like this.

[New confederate ramenia]

That the Church is the official continuation of the Church founded by God is the official position of every single Church with has Apostolic Succession, and it is stated very clearly in the New Testament. Christ is a fulfillment of OT, he is the Passover Lamb who saves us by marking our doors with his blood, he's the Jewish Messiah.



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The Pope's hat wasn't even invented until several hundred years after the demise of paganism.

The Pope's hat comes from the Mithraic tradition, predating Christianity. Trinitarian tradition is also of pagan origin. Church offices are mirrored from Roman lore. Shit, even the title the Pope uses of Supreme Pontiff is from Rome's emperor worship.

So, you were telling us what again? Ah yes, nothing of import.

Is this a bad thing?

[Morr]

This is the orthodox position in Christianity.

I'm Catholic and I've never heard anything like this.

Vatican II moved away from hard supersessionism, mainly because of the Holocaust and idea that it might be perceived as antisemetic. But it was big among the Church fathers. Although I'm not Roman Catholic, I'm Anglican with interest in Eastern Orthodox.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So the official list of titles of the Catholic Church doesn't call him Supreme Pontiff? Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annuario_Pontificio

It's certainly acceptable for others to call him, since that is the Latin term for exactly what he is. But it's never been used in his official capacity, no.

I remember a Papal Visit to Spain and I distinctively recall the title used, in official character, for the Pope. He was addressed as Supreme Pontiff.

Really, do you know anything about the Catholic Church? Anything at all?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The Pope's hat comes from the Mithraic tradition, predating Christianity. Trinitarian tradition is also of pagan origin. Church offices are mirrored from Roman lore. Shit, even the title the Pope uses of Supreme Pontiff is from Rome's emperor worship.

So, you were telling us what again? Ah yes, nothing of import.

Is this a bad thing?

Actually, it just shows the capacity for the Church to absorb other traditions for its own advantage.

[Olthar]

I'm not Roman Catholic, I'm Anglican

So, you're a blind man trying to describe the elephant in the room next door?

[Morr]

It's certainly acceptable for others to call him, since that is the Latin term for exactly what he is. But it's never been used in his official capacity, no.

I remember a Papal Visit to Spain and I distinctively recall the title used, in official character, for the Pope. He was addressed as Supreme Pontiff.

Really, do you know anything about the Catholic Church? Anything at all?

*sigh* Please show me any Papal Bulls or whatever that have the title in them, something where the Pope is using the title in official capacity.

[Morr]

I'm not Roman Catholic, I'm Anglican

So, you're a blind man trying to describe the elephant in the room next door?

I'm Anglo-Catholic, so not really.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I remember a Papal Visit to Spain and I distinctively recall the title used, in official character, for the Pope. He was addressed as Supreme Pontiff.

Really, do you know anything about the Catholic Church? Anything at all?

*sigh* Please show me any Papal Bulls or whatever that have the title in them, something where the Pope is using the title in official capacity.

I already did. The Annuario Pontificio. Published by the Vatican, lists the Pope's official titles.

The Catholic Encyclopedia talks about it too:

Tertullian
Tertullian's bitter polemic, "De Pudicitia" (about 220), was called forth by an exercise of papal prerogative. Pope Callistus had decided that the rigid discipline which had hitherto prevailed in many Churches must be in large measure relaxed. Tertullian, now lapsed into heresy, fiercely attacks "the peremptory edict", which "the supreme pontiff, the bishop of bishops", has sent forth. The words are intended as sarcasm: but none the less they indicate clearly the position of authority claimed by Rome. And the opposition comes, not from a Catholic bishop, but from a Montanist heretic.

...

Aurelian
It was not of course exercised in the same way as in later times. The Church was as yet in her infancy: and it would be irrational to look for a fully developed procedure governing the relations of the supreme pontiff to the bishops of other sees.

[New confederate ramenia]

So, you're a blind man trying to describe the elephant in the room next door?

I'm Anglo-Catholic, so not really.

What's Anglo-Catholicism, how does it relate to the rest of Anglicism and Catholicism? Also why are we talking about religion in a marriage thread?

[Morr]

*sigh* Please show me any Papal Bulls or whatever that have the title in them, something where the Pope is using the title in official capacity.

I already did. The Annuario Pontificio. Published by the Vatican, lists the Pope's official titles.

That's not a decree or a Bull from the Pope or anything like that. It demonstrates that there is nothing wrong with the Pope using that title in official capacity, but that's not an example of the Pope using it.

[Morr]

I'm Anglo-Catholic, so not really.

What's Anglo-Catholicism, how does it relate to the rest of Anglicism and Catholicism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Catholicism

Also why are we talking about religion in a marriage thread?

Because the thread asks specifically about marriage's relationship to religion. Any further dwelling on religion apart from that question is not my doing, I just answer questions and challenges directed toward me.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I already did. The Annuario Pontificio. Published by the Vatican, lists the Pope's official titles.

That's not a decree or a Bull from the Pope or anything like that. It demonstrates that there is nothing wrong with the Pope using that title in official capacity, but that's not an example of the Pope using it.

Again, the Annuario Pontificio is an official document, published by the Vatican, every year.

I can see that you are going to hold fast to your erroneous ideas so this is a big whatever. *shrug* Anyways, here: “Encyclical Letter Evangelium Vitae / Addressed by the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II to the Bishops, Priests, and Deacons, Men and Women Religious, Lay Faithful, and All People of Good Will on the Value and Inviolability of Human Life.”
“Encyclical Letter Deus Caritas Est of the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI to the Bishops, Priests and Deacons, Men and Women Religious, and all the Lay Faithful, on Christian Love.”
Anniversary documents commenting on and celebrating previous encyclical letters:
Citation Styles for documents commenting on and celebrating the anniversaries of previous encyclical letters:
"Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II, to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio."
MLA (7th ed.)
John, Paul II. Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II , to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio. Washington, D.C: Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, 1988. Print.
Turabian (6th ed.)
Catholic Church and John Paul II. Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II , to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio. Washington, D.C.: Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, 1988.

[Morr]

That's not a decree or a Bull from the Pope or anything like that. It demonstrates that there is nothing wrong with the Pope using that title in official capacity, but that's not an example of the Pope using it.

Again, the Annuario Pontificio is an official document, published by the Vatican, every year.

I can see that you are going to hold fast to your erroneous ideas so this is a big whatever. *shrug* Anyways, here: “Encyclical Letter Evangelium Vitae / Addressed by the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II to the Bishops, Priests, and Deacons, Men and Women Religious, Lay Faithful, and All People of Good Will on the Value and Inviolability of Human Life.”
“Encyclical Letter Deus Caritas Est of the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI to the Bishops, Priests and Deacons, Men and Women Religious, and all the Lay Faithful, on Christian Love.”
Anniversary documents commenting on and celebrating previous encyclical letters:
Citation Styles for documents commenting on and celebrating the anniversaries of previous encyclical letters:
"Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II, to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio."
MLA (7th ed.)
John, Paul II. Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II , to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio. Washington, D.C: Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, 1988. Print.
Turabian (6th ed.)
Catholic Church and John Paul II. Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II , to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio. Washington, D.C.: Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, 1988.

It's published by the Church, but it is not an example of the Pope acting in official capacity, it's not written and published by the Pope, he's not using that title as authorization.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Again, the Annuario Pontificio is an official document, published by the Vatican, every year.

I can see that you are going to hold fast to your erroneous ideas so this is a big whatever. *shrug* Anyways, here: “Encyclical Letter Evangelium Vitae / Addressed by the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II to the Bishops, Priests, and Deacons, Men and Women Religious, Lay Faithful, and All People of Good Will on the Value and Inviolability of Human Life.”
“Encyclical Letter Deus Caritas Est of the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI to the Bishops, Priests and Deacons, Men and Women Religious, and all the Lay Faithful, on Christian Love.”
Anniversary documents commenting on and celebrating previous encyclical letters:
Citation Styles for documents commenting on and celebrating the anniversaries of previous encyclical letters:
"Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II, to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio."
MLA (7th ed.)
John, Paul II. Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II , to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio. Washington, D.C: Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, 1988. Print.
Turabian (6th ed.)
Catholic Church and John Paul II. Encyclical Letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis of the Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II , to the Bishops, Priests, Religious Families, Sons and Daughters of the Church and All People of Good Will for the Twentieth Anniversary of Populorum Progressio. Washington, D.C.: Office of Publishing and Promotion Services, United States Catholic Conference, 1988.

It's published by the Church, but it is not an example of the Pope acting in official capacity, it's not written and published by the Pope, he's not using that title as authorization.

The popes use the title, regardless of whether you want to accept it or not. Makes no difference.

[Republic of the Cristo]

It is most definitely religious.