Is Marriage based upon religion?

[Cetacea]

No Marriage is based on Roman laws of ownership and inheritance and in particular the Patria postestas or Control of the Father over his daughter and the contractual transfer of that power to a husband. the term paterfamilias meant “father of slaves.” and is where we derive the word family.

Marriage is bad because it treats women as property that can be transferred from father to husband and create further obligation of inheritance.
moreover the Roman marriage rituals were based on the abduction and rape of the Sabine women by Romulus and his outlaw followers.

Pater Familias meant 'Father of the Family', and was reserved for the head of a dynasty. There is no world referring to slaves there. Same goes for 'Patria Potestas', or Power of the Fatherland. Our current institution is indeed based on Roman law, but the ownership of women was more a Roman cultural thing than an actual legal thing. There were some legal sides to it, donations between a husband and wife were forbidden, for instance. But over the years, we have stripped the sexist parts from Roman law, brought it up to date, and nowadays, it's completely equal between men and women. Even between men and men and women and women. It might have her roots in sexism, but that's all gone now. What remains is a legal union that's super handy for taxation reasons and which gives certain rights to close members of a family. Inheritance is also made simple by marriage. So, I don't think marriage is bad.

Famuli refers to Slaves and Servants and the Familia was orginally the group of servants living in a household. You're right that the Marriage institution has evolved, but it's not completely equal

Marriage predates religion.

There are marriage record's that are over 4000 years old.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient- ... age-001953

there was religion 4000 years ago

indeed some have suggested that religion predates homo sapiens

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Pater Familias meant 'Father of the Family', and was reserved for the head of a dynasty. There is no world referring to slaves there. Same goes for 'Patria Potestas', or Power of the Fatherland. Our current institution is indeed based on Roman law, but the ownership of women was more a Roman cultural thing than an actual legal thing. There were some legal sides to it, donations between a husband and wife were forbidden, for instance. But over the years, we have stripped the sexist parts from Roman law, brought it up to date, and nowadays, it's completely equal between men and women. Even between men and men and women and women. It might have her roots in sexism, but that's all gone now. What remains is a legal union that's super handy for taxation reasons and which gives certain rights to close members of a family. Inheritance is also made simple by marriage. So, I don't think marriage is bad.

Famuli refers to Slaves and Servants and the Familia was orginally the group of servants living in a household. You're right that the Marriage institution has evolved, but it's not completely equal

Marriage predates religion.

There are marriage record's that are over 4000 years old.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient- ... age-001953

there was religion 4000 years ago

indeed some have suggested that religion predates homo sapiens

How is it not completely equal? In the Netherlands, at least, law of inheritance and marriage laws don't mention gender any more. Gender is no part of the institution any more. So how can it be unequal, at least before the law?

[Anollasia]

No, but it can be if you want it to.

[BK117B2]

No, it is not. I would know: I'm married.

[Risottia]

So marriage or kinship in general is beautiful, right? I do think so, but it's based upon religion

Wrong premise.

Marriage isn't based upon religion, except for some countries that are quite on the theocratic side of it.

[Menassa]

Depends on the marriage.

[Risottia]

'Patria Potestas', or Power of the Fatherland.

Patria potestas means literally "power of the father". It's the equivalent of the modern concept of "parental custodianship". No "fatherland" involved.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The concept of marriage existed long before Christianity, or organized religion as a whole.

[Menassa]

The concept of marriage existed long before Christianity, or organized religion as a whole.

Why single out Christianity?

[New Werpland]

The concept of marriage existed long before Christianity, or organized religion as a whole.

Why single out Christianity?

Because he doesn't like it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The concept of marriage existed long before Christianity, or organized religion as a whole.

Why single out Christianity?

Because when people say "churches" in the modern West, Christianity is usually the primary consideration in the statement. *shrugs*

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Why single out Christianity?

Because he doesn't like it.

Hey bud, let's try to not fucking speak for other people, all right?

[Menassa]

Why single out Christianity?

Because when people say "churches" in the modern West, Christianity is usually the primary consideration in the statement. *shrugs*

So like how Coca-cola is the face of all sodas?

Why single out Christianity?

Because he doesn't like it.

P-S? You must be confusing him with someone else.

[Morr]

It can be. But marriage granted by an institution other than the Church obviously isn't based on the Christian faith.

[The New Sea Territory]

Because when people say "churches" in the modern West, Christianity is usually the primary consideration in the statement. *shrugs*

So like how Coca-cola is the face of all sodas?

Unless you live in a small town in Alabama where a Pepsi bottling facility is the biggest provider of jobs, to continue your analogy.

Christianity is undeniably the largest religion in the west, meaning when Westerners criticize religion, Christianity is the primary example. Unless you live somewhere where the majority of the population isn't Christian, the main focus of criticism of religion will be Christianity.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Marriage is based upon madness. Sweet sweet madness!

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Marriage is based upon madness. Sweet sweet madness!

Be mad with me, Goof. Let us stroll into the fields of Erratic Frenzies and make sweet, sweet psychopathic love.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Marriage is based upon madness. Sweet sweet madness!

Be mad with me, Goof. Let us stroll into the fields of Erratic Frenzies and make sweet, sweet psychopathic love.

Can my wife join in?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Nah, religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage. Historically, marriage has also been a socially held ceremony without any religious undertones.

[Morr]

Nah, religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage. Historically, marriage has also been a socially held ceremony without any religious undertones.

That is true, but consent of the wife only became an integral feature (in the West) with Christianity, so our conception of what "marriage" meant was radically altered through that.

[Arcturus Novus]

*deep breath*

No.

[Pope Joan]

Marriage is secular. Religion tags along for the ride because it has something to gain by doing so, but marriage rites predate organized religion.

[Morr]

Marriage is secular. Religion tags along for the ride because it has something to gain by doing so, but marriage rites predate organized religion.

Marriage can be secular, or it can be sacred. Just like bathing or drinking wine.

[UnitedRP]

Yes. Anyone who thinks differently should be crucified and their guts used as Christmas-tree decorations.

More seriously, it didn't originate with religion, but for a lot of people it is inexorably intertwined with religion.

[Menassa]

Nah, religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage. Historically, marriage has also been a socially held ceremony without any religious undertones.

That is true, but consent of the wife only became an integral feature (in the West) with Christianity, so our conception of what "marriage" meant was radically altered through that.

The Talmud recounts that with no consenting wife, there is no marriage. And assuming the Oral Tradition of the Talmud that's waaay before Christianity.