USSR or Third Reich

[Baltenstein]

Definitely Nazi Germany since Hungary was an ally and not being invaded twice by the Russians like in 1944 and 1956.

Except when Hungary stopped being an ally and also got invaded.

[Pandeeria]

Definitely Nazi Germany since Hungary was an ally and not being invaded twice by the Russians like in 1944 and 1956.

Technically the government of Hungary allowed the Soviets to step in and end the revolt in 1956.

[Kazarogkai]

German: 5,318,000 Military Deaths from all causes
USSR: 10,922,000 Military Deaths from all causes.

I win you lose.

Source(s)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War ... zi_Germany

In 1993 a study by the Russian Academy of Sciences estimated total Soviet population losses due to the war at 26.6 million,[1][2][3][4] including military dead of 8.7 million calculated by the Russian Ministry of Defense.[5] These figures have been accepted by most historians outside of Russia. However the figure of 8.7 million military dead has been disputed by some historians in Russia because it is in conflict with the official database of the Central Defense Ministry Archive (CDMA) which lists the names of roughly 14 million dead and missing servicemen.[6][7]

So, most historians agree that only about a third of Soviet casualties were combatants.

Still more casualties than the Germans. That was the dispute. As such I still win.

[Master Shake]

Definitely Nazi Germany since Hungary was an ally and not being invaded twice by the Russians like in 1944 and 1956.

Except when Hungary stopped being an ally and also got invaded.

Well Horthy tried to go a different direction then the Nazis wanted. Honestly America does the same thing when a leader goes against their wishes like Saddam.

Definitely Nazi Germany since Hungary was an ally and not being invaded twice by the Russians like in 1944 and 1956.

Technically the government of Hungary allowed the Soviets to step in and end the revolt in 1956.

LOL not really. Read up on your history and you will see that the Soviets promised to remove all troops from the nation and waited a week until the reinforcements came in with tanks.

[United Marxist Nations]

In 1993 a study by the Russian Academy of Sciences estimated total Soviet population losses due to the war at 26.6 million,[1][2][3][4] including military dead of 8.7 million calculated by the Russian Ministry of Defense.[5] These figures have been accepted by most historians outside of Russia. However the figure of 8.7 million military dead has been disputed by some historians in Russia because it is in conflict with the official database of the Central Defense Ministry Archive (CDMA) which lists the names of roughly 14 million dead and missing servicemen.[6][7]

So, most historians agree that only about a third of Soviet casualties were combatants.

Still more casualties than the Germans. That was the dispute. As such I still win.

No, it was that "the odds would be much better" if they were in the Wehrmacht as opposed to the Red Army.

[Pandeeria]

Except when Hungary stopped being an ally and also got invaded.

Well Horthy tried to go a different direction then the Nazis wanted. Honestly America does the same thing when a leader goes against their wishes like Saddam.

Technically the government of Hungary allowed the Soviets to step in and end the revolt in 1956.

LOL not really. Read up on your history and you will see that the Soviets promised to remove all troops from the nation and waited a week until the reinforcements came in with tanks.

The Soviets promised further negotiations, they never out right said they would withdraw their forces. Regardless, a puppet regime they installed pretty much collapsed. They were going to restore it.

[Master Shake]

Well Horthy tried to go a different direction then the Nazis wanted. Honestly America does the same thing when a leader goes against their wishes like Saddam.



LOL not really. Read up on your history and you will see that the Soviets promised to remove all troops from the nation and waited a week until the reinforcements came in with tanks.

The Soviets promised further negotiations, they never out right said they would withdraw their forces. Regardless, a puppet regime they installed pretty much collapsed. They were going to restore it.

Yeah, but the Soviets really feared what Hungary was try to do because the Eastern Bloc was brand new and they had to make an example of Hungary. If Hungary managed to leave then any other nations could do the same. It wasn't like Poland in 1980 where the General regained control of the nation because the Poles feared a Hungarian style invasion of Poland( which might have happened). Basically after 1956 all Soviet states feared being invaded by the Red Army so, to the Soviets, the Hungarian invasion was a good show of force. No other nation was invaded like that because they didn't want to be another Hungary....

[Imperializt Russia]

...really? How do you figure that? Were most German soldiers not Aryan?

They were mostly Aryan. I'm sure Hitler checks backgrounds on each and every soldier to prevent any sort of opposition.

There was a literal poster boy of the German Army, during the war no less, who was Jewish. As was the "perfect Aryan baby" poster.
They were pretty shitty at checking backgrounds.

It's almost as though racial ideologies are inherently bullshit and based on a person's outward appearance.

There was even a story of a Jew who joined the SS in that "last place they'll look" mentality. Explaining his circumcision as for medical reasons he claims he earned the nickname of "the Jew".

[Uxupox]

They were mostly Aryan. I'm sure Hitler checks backgrounds on each and every soldier to prevent any sort of opposition.

There was a literal poster boy of the German Army, during the war no less, who was Jewish. As was the "perfect Aryan baby" poster.
They were pretty shitty at checking backgrounds.

It's almost as though racial ideologies are inherently bullshit and based on a person's outward appearance.

There was even a story of a Jew who joined the SS in that "last place they'll look" mentality. Explaining his circumcision as for medical reasons he claims he earned the nickname of "the Jew".

Yea you didn't even have to be aryan or of German descent to be part of the SS. Completely goes against what Hitler said on his so called "racial supremacy". Hitler was a maximum hypocrite or maybe he was a pragmatist in regards to the recruitment process to the Wehrmacht..

[Imperializt Russia]

There was a literal poster boy of the German Army, during the war no less, who was Jewish. As was the "perfect Aryan baby" poster.
They were pretty shitty at checking backgrounds.

It's almost as though racial ideologies are inherently bullshit and based on a person's outward appearance.

There was even a story of a Jew who joined the SS in that "last place they'll look" mentality. Explaining his circumcision as for medical reasons he claims he earned the nickname of "the Jew".

Yea you didn't even have to be aryan or of German descent to be part of the SS. Completely goes against what Hitler said on his so called "racial supremacy". Hitler was a maximum hypocrite or maybe he was a pragmatist in regards to the recruitment process to the Wehrmacht..

I was referring to the general Nazi racial ideology, the one that caused people to look at a small baby, and a young soldier, and declare them "PERFECT ARYAN X" and then launch a propaganda programme about them, when actually they're not even part of the racial ideology they're promoting.

Foreign SS battalions aren't anything to do with what I said - though Jews were banned from military service. SS groups especially for reasons I shouldn't have to explain. He enlisted there to hide.

[Uxupox]

Yea you didn't even have to be aryan or of German descent to be part of the SS. Completely goes against what Hitler said on his so called "racial supremacy". Hitler was a maximum hypocrite or maybe he was a pragmatist in regards to the recruitment process to the Wehrmacht..

I was referring to the general Nazi racial ideology, the one that caused people to look at a small baby, and a young soldier, and declare them "PERFECT ARYAN X" and then launch a propaganda programme about them, when actually they're not even part of the racial ideology they're promoting.

Foreign SS battalions aren't anything to do with what I said - though Jews were banned from military service. SS groups especially for reasons I shouldn't have to explain. He enlisted there to hide.

Smart guy though. Not many would think to enlist in order to hide. Most would just try to get out of the country or renounce their belief.

[Roderia]

Secretly, the mods are putting anyone who says 'Third Reich' onto a suspect list.

[Sino nations]

USSR,Because Nazis had a plan to deport ALL Estonians,Latvians,Lithuanians To Siberia.YES,Soviets did it but they did not deport all of them

[Sino nations]

Secretly, the mods are putting anyone who says 'Third Reich' onto a suspect list.

[Imperializt Russia]

USSR,Because Nazis had a plan to deport ALL Estonians,Latvians,Lithuanians To Siberia.YES,Soviets did it but they did not deport all of them

There supposedly exists a statement somewhere stating that the invasion of Russia would involve the deaths of tens of millions of slavs and Jews, with the rest becoming a client slave race.

It's like listening to the Borg before they became part of Star Trek.

[Sino nations]

USSR,Because Nazis had a plan to deport ALL Estonians,Latvians,Lithuanians To Siberia.YES,Soviets did it but they did not deport all of them

There supposedly exists a statement somewhere stating that the invasion of Russia would involve the deaths of tens of millions of slavs and Jews, with the rest becoming a client slave race.

It's like listening to the Borg before they became part of Star Trek.

Also,Nazis Wanted To Give Estonia To FINLAND!

[Imperializt Russia]

There supposedly exists a statement somewhere stating that the invasion of Russia would involve the deaths of tens of millions of slavs and Jews, with the rest becoming a client slave race.

It's like listening to the Borg before they became part of Star Trek.

Also,Nazis Wanted To Give Estonia To FINLAND!

The Nazis were pretty desperate for Finland to launch offensives against the Soviet Union, or use Finland for the launching of German offensives. I imagine they offered a lot. They offered support to allow the Finns to hold out against Russia.

[Jetan]

Also,Nazis Wanted To Give Estonia To FINLAND!

The Nazis were pretty desperate for Finland to launch offensives against the Soviet Union, or use Finland for the launching of German offensives. I imagine they offered a lot. They offered support to allow the Finns to hold out against Russia.

Estonia was never offered to Finland.

[Sino nations]

The Nazis were pretty desperate for Finland to launch offensives against the Soviet Union, or use Finland for the launching of German offensives. I imagine they offered a lot. They offered support to allow the Finns to hold out against Russia.

Estonia was never offered to Finland.

It Was.
Here is A Source:http://etv.err.ee/v/elusaated/ajavaod/saated/96335c9f-97a8-425b-83a7-54a80a0b78d4/ajavaod-riigimees-juri-uluots-etv-2012 Its In Estonian

[Jetan]

Estonia was never offered to Finland.

It Was.
Here is A Source:http://etv.err.ee/v/elusaated/ajavaod/saated/96335c9f-97a8-425b-83a7-54a80a0b78d4/ajavaod-riigimees-juri-uluots-etv-2012 Its In Estonian

As close as our languages are, that's useless without subtitles. If it really happened (which I very much doubt, as it goes against everything I've read, heard or been taught about the subject) then you're bound to find another source, yes?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

What do you mean "believe it that way?" It's a fact German casualties were vastly higher than Russian.

Um, that's like, not true. At all.

Badly stated in a rush. Proportionally. I'm relatively certain I've seen breakdowns of statistics indicating you'd be more likely to survive as your average Russian soldier than your average German one.

I'll concede if I'm wrong, but, yeah.

[Baltenstein]

Um, that's like, not true. At all.

Badly stated in a rush. Proportionally. I'm relatively certain I've seen breakdowns of statistics indicating you'd be more likely to survive as your average Russian soldier than your average German one.

I'll concede if I'm wrong, but, yeah.

Soviet Union: 35 million enlisted men, 10 million military deaths
Nazi Germany: 20 million enlisted men, 5 million military deaths

There supposedly exists a statement somewhere stating that the invasion of Russia would involve the deaths of tens of millions of slavs and Jews, with the rest becoming a client slave race.

Well, the Hungerplan - plus, the results of it being actively enacted - are well documented.

[Kazarogkai]

Um, that's like, not true. At all.

Badly stated in a rush. Proportionally. I'm relatively certain I've seen breakdowns of statistics indicating you'd be more likely to survive as your average Russian soldier than your average German one.

I'll concede if I'm wrong, but, yeah.

The worst place you can be though out of all countries during the war was Estonia. Not only was it brutally occupied twice but the highest estimates show as much as 20% of the population died. Mostly civilians I presume, but honestly dying as a civilian(in my view) doesn't sound a whole lot better than dying as a soldier.

[Imperializt Russia]

Badly stated in a rush. Proportionally. I'm relatively certain I've seen breakdowns of statistics indicating you'd be more likely to survive as your average Russian soldier than your average German one.

I'll concede if I'm wrong, but, yeah.

The worst place you can be though out of all countries during the war was Estonia. Not only was it brutally occupied twice but the highest estimates show as much as 20% of the population died. Mostly civilians I presume, but honestly dying as a civilian(in my view) doesn't sound a whole lot better than dying as a soldier.

Dying as a civilian, your death means nothing. You haven't even been expended in the hope of an operation defeating the enemy and securing ground. You've just died.

[Baltenstein]

Badly stated in a rush. Proportionally. I'm relatively certain I've seen breakdowns of statistics indicating you'd be more likely to survive as your average Russian soldier than your average German one.

I'll concede if I'm wrong, but, yeah.

The worst place you can be though out of all countries during the war was Estonia. Not only was it brutally occupied twice but the highest estimates show as much as 20% of the population died. Mostly civilians I presume, but honestly dying as a civilian(in my view) doesn't sound a whole lot better than dying as a soldier.

The country with the highest percentage of civilian deaths (25 % of the prewar population) is usually estimated to be Belarus.