Segregated Bathrooms: A Problem?

[Great Nepal]

You know I wasn't calling efficiency irrational.

Of course you are, you admitted something was efficient in one sentence and then continued to say doing so was an "irrational whim".

But following your line of thought, in the name of efficiency, perhaps we should kill off all the old people. Right? I mean they're all cis scum anyway! And let's just combine all male and female genitalia too. The penis is the highest form of gender inequality, you know, so we will give everyone paginas!

That way men will have to sit when they pee it's not fair that they can just stand. If they refuse, we will cut them off at the legs. Literally and figuratively!

In the name of efficiency, let so do away with all notions of privacy. Let's forsake all rational thought in the name of equality! Let's be morons!

Everyone, follow me on my glorious ride to tumblr!

*mounts steed and gallops away*

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Clearly killing off old people = changing bathroom signs.

Segregated bathrooms are certainly an inefficient use of space.

How exactly would not segregated bathroom use less space than them given that they would need to be usable for the same amount of person each "segregated" bathroom was?

An establishment has four segregated bathrooms with four toilets each, female bathroom is full and there are four people in line, male toilet is empty. How is this is not an inefficient and frankly silly use of space and infrastructure available?

[Aelex]

An establishment has four segregated bathrooms with four toilets each, female bathroom is full and there are four people in line, male toilet is empty. How is this is not an inefficient and frankly silly use of space and infrastructure available?

Firstly, women bathroom with a same amount of space will always have more stall than a men bathroom and that because, for commodity and quickness, most of them are remplaced by urinals and the remaining are only used to "go number 2".
That said, let's follow your scenario, we got 4 stalls in a male bathroom plus four to eight urinals. Which mean that the female bathroom has between six to eight stalls (as two urinals occupy about as much space as one stall).
Now, we break the wall and make the two bathrooms only one, making the four women take the remaining stalls. Thus, no stalls are empty for men anymore leaving the people who want to defecate in, excuse me this scatological joke, deep shit as it's unlikely that 1) they get a stall soon given that women can't use urinary and 2) waiting in front of one 'till the person inside finished her/his business would likely result in him being called a pervert.
Thus, we end up with about as much line but now men are waiting too. So, yeah. Unisex bathroom are indeed a stupid idea as they don't speed up lines nor even reduce them.
It would be more logical to give a little more space to women's bathroom so more stalls could be fitted inside rather than just breaking the walls.

[Purpelia]

Or we could remove the urinals and replace them with stalls. That way there is enough for everyone and we men don't have to spend our time disgusted walking past other peoples exposed penises. You see, shockingly for you there are actually those among us who are not into that sort of thing.

[Aelex]

Or we could remove the urinals and replace them with stalls. That way there is enough for everyone and we men don't have to spend our time disgusted walking past other peoples exposed penises. You see, shockingly for you there are actually those among us who are not into that sort of thing.

Or we could just not make bathroom unisex. 'Cause, sorry to tell you that but urinals are damn useful for people when they just need to pee quickly before going back to what they were doing.

[The Vekta-Helghast Empire]

Or we could remove the urinals and replace them with stalls. That way there is enough for everyone and we men don't have to spend our time disgusted walking past other peoples exposed penises. You see, shockingly for you there are actually those among us who are not into that sort of thing.

Where the fuck do you live that there's nothing between each urinal?

[Purpelia]

Or we could remove the urinals and replace them with stalls. That way there is enough for everyone and we men don't have to spend our time disgusted walking past other peoples exposed penises. You see, shockingly for you there are actually those among us who are not into that sort of thing.

Where the fuck do you live that there's nothing between each urinal?

I count anything short of a solid wall as nothing. And by solid I mean stall level solid. So no peeking over the top, seeing the other guys feet or head or anything.

Or we could just not make bathroom unisex. 'Cause, sorry to tell you that but urinals are damn useful for people when they just need to pee quickly before going back to what they were doing.

If what ever it is you were doing is so insanely urgent that you can't take the time to open and close a stall door you are better off holding it in.

[New Benian Republic]

People of Turner's Syndrome are identified as female since they lack the Y chromosome that would make them male. It's simple if they lack the Y chromosome then they are female, sexually anyway.

Can't we just go back to defining people by sex instead of gender... It was so much easier.

No, it wasn't. Ignorance is not an excuse for being wrong. By defining people by sex you're assigning them a gender based on the sex you perceive them as. Hardly better than allowing autonomy in what gender one has.[/quote]
Its not ignorance, Its biology. And once again not by gender I said by sex since they can choose whatever gender they want.

[Ifreann]

What the fuck is a family bathroom?

http://americanrestroom.org/family/index.htm

I don't think I've ever seen something like that. Might just be an American thing.

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Those bathrooms that are unisex and have a locking door.

In some areas, it has a disabled person sign on its door, but it's really for everybody.

I'm pretty sure disabled toilets are just for disabled people. Thus the sign.

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Did you read this post and try to assess how ridiculous you sound? I feel like I am on tumblr right now.

This can't be tumblr. There's no porn.

[New Benian Republic]

Is this seriously about making others people be slowed down due to one sex not being able to piss standing up?

Not exactly.
The main issue is about safe spaces for women, and freedom of choice for women as well.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=569233F7

They have the free choice to not have to use the urinal, but by all means if they can try and use it, And what about the freedom of choice for men?

[Oudland]

You know I wasn't calling efficiency irrational.

Of course you are, you admitted something was efficient in one sentence and then continued to say doing so was an "irrational whim".

But following your line of thought, in the name of efficiency, perhaps we should kill off all the old people. Right? I mean they're all cis scum anyway! And let's just combine all male and female genitalia too. The penis is the highest form of gender inequality, you know, so we will give everyone paginas!

That way men will have to sit when they pee it's not fair that they can just stand. If they refuse, we will cut them off at the legs. Literally and figuratively!

In the name of efficiency, let so do away with all notions of privacy. Let's forsake all rational thought in the name of equality! Let's be morons!

Everyone, follow me on my glorious ride to tumblr!

*mounts steed and gallops away*

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Clearly killing off old people = changing bathroom signs.

How exactly would not segregated bathroom use less space than them given that they would need to be usable for the same amount of person each "segregated" bathroom was?

An establishment has four segregated bathrooms with four toilets each, female bathroom is full and there are four people in line, male toilet is empty. How is this is not an inefficient and frankly silly use of space and infrastructure available?

You know what, if females want to use a bathroom with me, whatever. They are more than welcome to I guess. But goddamn, man. I don't want to. It sounds uncomfortable. And I should never be forced to do that when you have a bathroom that works just as well right next door, but you want to force your way into where I'm trying to have a shit because... Why?

Use the bathroom designated for your particular plumbing. If you are trans or whatever, whatever. It's cool that you are a special snowflake. I just want to use the bathroom without having to worry about the pretty woman in the next stall catching a glimpse of my nethers or a whiff of my poo. I shouldn't hav to be nervous when trying to poo. Nor should a female be forced to endure man-stink, or worse, the threat of sexual harassment from some pervert. I can't imagine being the only female in a bathroom full of truckers.

[Ameige]

Well yes it is an issue for those that dont like to specify as the correct gender, but they are there for a reason.

A girl doesnt want to go to the bathroom to freshen up and put on her make up and hear some guy making farting noises in the stall behind her.

Its segregated to keep modesty intact. Its a lot less embarressing for a guy to walk in on another guy cause he forgot to lock the stall door than it is for a guy to walk in on a girl. Plus guy bathrooms usually have those urnial things. A girl doesnt want to walk into a bathroom and see a guy whipping his junk out.

[Ifreann]

Well yes it is an issue for those that dont like to specify as the correct gender, but they are there for a reason.

A girl doesnt want to go to the bathroom to freshen up and put on her make up and hear some guy making farting noises in the stall behind her.

Are you under the impression that women shit in perfect silence? Or do you think that women enjoy the sounds of other women farting?

Its segregated to keep modesty intact. Its a lot less embarressing for a guy to walk in on another guy cause he forgot to lock the stall door than it is for a guy to walk in on a girl.

That's your personal opinion. Other people feel differently.

Plus guy bathrooms usually have those urnial things. A girl doesnt want to walk into a bathroom and see a guy whipping his junk out.

Urinals are usually placed so that one cannot see the penises of the people using them unless one is making an effort to do so.

[Great Nepal]

An establishment has four segregated bathrooms with four toilets each, female bathroom is full and there are four people in line, male toilet is empty. How is this is not an inefficient and frankly silly use of space and infrastructure available?

Firstly, women bathroom with a same amount of space will always have more stall than a men bathroom and that because, for commodity and quickness, most of them are remplaced by urinals and the remaining are only used to "go number 2".

I'm aware of that but for sake of simplifying hypothetical, I chose to only include the stalls (note: not suggesting this should be done in real bathrooms).

That said, let's follow your scenario, we got 4 stalls in a male bathroom plus four to eight urinals. Which mean that the female bathroom has between six to eight stalls (as two urinals occupy about as much space as one stall).
Now, we break the wall and make the two bathrooms only one, making the four women take the remaining stalls. Thus, no stalls are empty for men anymore leaving the people who want to defecate in, excuse me this scatological joke, deep shit as it's unlikely that 1) they get a stall soon given that women can't use urinary and 2) waiting in front of one 'till the person inside finished her/his business would likely result in him being called a pervert.

No he wouldn't; unless you consider a guy waiting in like for one of the stalls in segregated bathroom to take a dump as being pervert.

Thus, we end up with about as much line but now men are waiting too. So, yeah. Unisex bathroom are indeed a stupid idea as they don't speed up lines nor even reduce them.

Only if you double the number of people wanting to use the bathrooms. Originally there was a queue with 4+ people despite there being enough capacity to handle 8 people simultaneously. Now you have a queue with 8+ people, because you only have bathrooms capable of dealing with 8 people simultaneously. You are somehow suggesting efficiency remained static by introducing extra demand on same infrastructure which is misleading at best and dishonest at worse.

It would be more logical to give a little more space to women's bathroom so more stalls could be fitted inside rather than just breaking the walls.

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You are still not making full use of capacity available merely increasing it for one group - there is fundamentally no difference between male and female bathrooms (except presence of urinals to expedite process in one). A man can use women's stalls just as effectively as women can use men's stalls so it is stupid to have queue outside one while another is empty/ partially used.
Edit: Oh and so'd breaking walls - just change the signs to say "wash room" in both and voila you have two unisex bathrooms at cost of no more than five quid (less if you are bothered to sell your old signs.)

[Oudland]

Well yes it is an issue for those that dont like to specify as the correct gender, but they are there for a reason.

A girl doesnt want to go to the bathroom to freshen up and put on her make up and hear some guy making farting noises in the stall behind her.

Are you under the impression that women shit in perfect silence? Or do you think that women enjoy the sounds of other women farting?

Its segregated to keep modesty intact. Its a lot less embarressing for a guy to walk in on another guy cause he forgot to lock the stall door than it is for a guy to walk in on a girl.

That's your personal opinion. Other people feel differently.

Plus guy bathrooms usually have those urnial things. A girl doesnt want to walk into a bathroom and see a guy whipping his junk out.

Urinals are usually placed so that one cannot see the penises of the people using them unless one is making an effort to do so.

Why are you in favor of this? I feel like a lot of the people who try do argue for things under the guise of gender equality really just want to see how much of their own views and beliefs they can shove down other people's throats until they are accommodated.

[Kvatchdom]

I see no reason why segregated bathrooms are a problem.

[New Benian Republic]

I see no reason why segregated bathrooms are a problem.

Sarkeesianites do however.

[Ifreann]

Are you under the impression that women shit in perfect silence? Or do you think that women enjoy the sounds of other women farting?

That's your personal opinion. Other people feel differently.

Urinals are usually placed so that one cannot see the penises of the people using them unless one is making an effort to do so.

Why are you in favor of this?

I suspect it would serve to disabuse society, to a degree, of the notion that men are from Mars and women from Venus. It would make using public bathrooms safer for trans people. It befits a society that holds people to be equal regardless of gender.

I feel like a lot of the people who try do argue for things under the guise of gender equality really just want to see how much of their own views and beliefs they can shove down other people's throats until they are accommodated.

Is that why you want to keep bathrooms segregated? Some vague sense that people don't actually want equality, they just want to change things because they can?

[Ifreann]

I see no reason why segregated bathrooms are a problem.

Sarkeesianites do however.

Excuse me?

[Kvatchdom]

I see no reason why segregated bathrooms are a problem.

Sarkeesianites do however.

Not taking sides on that discussion.

[Alvecia]

Why are you in favor of this?

I suspect it would serve to disabuse society, to a degree, of the notion that men are from Mars and women from Venus. It would make using public bathrooms safer for trans people. It befits a society that holds people to be equal regardless of gender.

I feel like a lot of the people who try do argue for things under the guise of gender equality really just want to see how much of their own views and beliefs they can shove down other people's throats until they are accommodated.

Is that why you want to keep bathrooms segregated? Some vague sense that people don't actually want equality, they just want to change things because they can?

It would also makes things significantly easier for those of undetermined gender, indeterminate gender, or those of no gender.

[Ifreann]

I suspect it would serve to disabuse society, to a degree, of the notion that men are from Mars and women from Venus. It would make using public bathrooms safer for trans people. It befits a society that holds people to be equal regardless of gender.

Is that why you want to keep bathrooms segregated? Some vague sense that people don't actually want equality, they just want to change things because they can?

It would also makes things significantly easier for those of undetermined gender, indeterminate gender, or those of no gender.

I imagine so.

[New Chilokver]

*pisses on toilet seats

[Ifreann]

*pisses on toilet seats

Charming.

[Ameige]

Well yes it is an issue for those that dont like to specify as the correct gender, but they are there for a reason.

A girl doesnt want to go to the bathroom to freshen up and put on her make up and hear some guy making farting noises in the stall behind her.

Are you under the impression that women shit in perfect silence? Or do you think that women enjoy the sounds of other women farting?

Its segregated to keep modesty intact. Its a lot less embarressing for a guy to walk in on another guy cause he forgot to lock the stall door than it is for a guy to walk in on a girl.

That's your personal opinion. Other people feel differently.

Plus guy bathrooms usually have those urnial things. A girl doesnt want to walk into a bathroom and see a guy whipping his junk out.

Urinals are usually placed so that one cannot see the penises of the people using them unless one is making an effort to do so.

Im not "under the impression" of anything. I am a woman, and I can tell you, when it comes to being in a bathroom with other people,
we do our best to not be digusting and letting farts and other gross sounds out out there for everyone to hear.

Men dont seem to care who hears them. Or for that matter, who sees them if the lock on the door is busted.
I make sure that door stays shut even if I have to hold it shut with my foot.

I dunno what bathroom you have been in, but I have purposefully checked out male bathrooms a few times in my life out of curiosity of what it looks like. the only bathrooms Im aware of that have urnial walls are upperclass fancy office bathrooms.

Most do not have those and so yes, you could see some guy's junk out there freely even if you didnt want to.

We need to keep bathrooms segregated for the sake of modesty. I dont want to go into a bathroom and see three guys with their manjunk wiggling all about while Im waiting for a stall to open. Or hear some gross guy farting like no tomorow just cause he doesnt care who hears.
Its disgusting.

[May Mays]

Not exactly.
The main issue is about safe spaces for women, and freedom of choice for women as well.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=569233F7

They have the free choice to not have to use the urinal, but by all means if they can try and use it, And what about the freedom of choice for men?

I mean I guess that if that little pointy bit on urinals were stretched out forward a little bit, they could stand over them?

I don't think many girls want to share the shitter with guys, and vice-versa though.