Segregated Bathrooms: A Problem?

[Gim]

Given the fact that there are unisex bathrooms in just about every residence, I don't really see an issue with public unisex restrooms.

There are public unisex restrooms; it's just that there are not many of them. Only one or two per area. It's also called Family Room or Change Room.

[Tekania]

Segregated bathrooms will continue to promote divisions in society between the genders and the sexes; they are also unacceptably callous towards people who might not identify comfortably with either of the two genders/sexes or who may look different from the side they would rather identify with.

..."Identify"? That word must have changed its meaning since my school days it appears.

OK, I propose we just relabel them all:

Why split them XX and XY like that? If you are split them it would be better to do so based upon plumbing, not what sex chromosomes they possess. And of course where would people with Turner's Symdome use the restroom at, since they would not be XX or XY.

[Ereria]

This must be a troll lol

If not, I wouldn't mind whipping out my dick infront of women tbh, would maybe lead to surprise bathroom sex or whatever.

On a serious note, hell no. Women use ages in toilets, I rarely have to wait while women are in lines from the entrance of the toilet to the club's exit. No thanks.

[Gim]

..."Identify"? That word must have changed its meaning since my school days it appears.

OK, I propose we just relabel them all:

Why split them XX and XY like that? If you are split them it would be better to do so based upon plumbing, not what sex chromosomes they possess. And of course where would people with Turner's Symdome use the restroom at, since they would not be XX or XY.

That's right. Also, people with Down Syndrome have three chromosomes, as opposed to two. This is clearly discriminating them or at least reminding them of their bodily defects.

[Tekania]

Transgender people are just gonna have to go with whichever bathroom they most look like. There are stalls in both if they can't use the urinals.

There should be a checkup where physicians determine whether each transgender person looks female or male. One determined to be more female uses the female bathroom, whereas, the one determined to be more male, the male bathroom.

Okay, Gim.... before you can use the restroom I need you to strip naked so I can verify which sex you most resemble.

[Gim]

There should be a checkup where physicians determine whether each transgender person looks female or male. One determined to be more female uses the female bathroom, whereas, the one determined to be more male, the male bathroom.

Okay, Gim.... before you can use the restroom I need you to strip naked so I can verify which sex you most resemble.

*reveals my fully-built body*

Okay, that's even more disturbing. I revoke my statement. My apologies.

[Des-Bal]

1. Not a "problem" but not something I view as necessary.
2. The idea that urinals should be removed because they're too efficient is stupid.
3. Your chief issue with bathrooms seems to be that women are bad at peeing and that for the purposes of fairness this should inconvenience men. The obvious problem with this is that men are so good at peeing. Do you know how many men can pee in a single trough ? So many. We are aware of that efficiency and we are unafraid to use it to solve problems. Instead of a line outside the women's room you'll have a line of women outside the unisex room and a small circle of men peeing in a trash can.

[New Benian Republic]

Is this seriously about making others people be slowed down due to one sex not being able to piss standing up?

[Uxupox]

..."Identify"? That word must have changed its meaning since my school days it appears.

OK, I propose we just relabel them all:

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Why split them XX and XY like that? If you are split them it would be better to do so based upon plumbing, not what sex chromosomes they possess. And of course where would people with Turner's Symdome use the restroom at, since they would not be XX or XY.

People of Turner's Syndrome are identified as female since they lack the Y chromosome that would make them male. It's simple if they lack the Y chromosome then they are female, sexually anyway.

[New Benian Republic]

Why split them XX and XY like that? If you are split them it would be better to do so based upon plumbing, not what sex chromosomes they possess. And of course where would people with Turner's Symdome use the restroom at, since they would not be XX or XY.

People of Turner's Syndrome are identified as female since they lack the Y chromosome that would make them male. It's simple if they lack the Y chromosome then they are female, sexually anyway.

Can't we just go back to defining people by sex instead of gender... It was so much easier.

[Chessmistress]

Is this seriously about making others people be slowed down due to one sex not being able to piss standing up?

Not exactly.
The main issue is about safe spaces for women, and freedom of choice for women as well.

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[Ifreann]

Is this seriously about making others people be slowed down due to one sex not being able to piss standing up?

For the OP, yeah.

[Valystria]

Or we could have unisex bathrooms which benefits everyone except sexists.

Women don't like sharing bathrooms with men. Men, I do not think, do not mind.

No, women and men won't mind using the same unisex room. Unless they are sexists. You're being sexist in your assumptions about people. There have been women in this thread in support of unisex rooms and men against unisex rooms. There goes your sexist and faulty stereotyping about what men and women want.

People of Turner's Syndrome are identified as female since they lack the Y chromosome that would make them male. It's simple if they lack the Y chromosome then they are female, sexually anyway.

Can't we just go back to defining people by sex instead of gender... It was so much easier.

No, it wasn't. Ignorance is not an excuse for being wrong. By defining people by sex you're assigning them a gender based on the sex you perceive them as. Hardly better than allowing autonomy in what gender one has.

1. Not a "problem" but not something I view as necessary.
2. The idea that urinals should be removed because they're too efficient is stupid.
3. Your chief issue with bathrooms seems to be that women are bad at peeing and that for the purposes of fairness this should inconvenience men. The obvious problem with this is that men are so good at peeing. Do you know how many men can pee in a single trough ? So many. We are aware of that efficiency and we are unafraid to use it to solve problems. Instead of a line outside the women's room you'll have a line of women outside the unisex room and a small circle of men peeing in a trash can.

Those are all great reasons for why unisex rooms could benefit from having urinals.

Transgender people are just gonna have to go with whichever bathroom they most look like. There are stalls in both if they can't use the urinals.

There should be a checkup where physicians determine whether each transgender person looks female or male. One determined to be more female uses the female bathroom, whereas, the one determined to be more male, the male bathroom.

Are you actually serious about this? How do you determine someone to look more 'female or male" when it's a subjective opinion? And what's the point of a person being transgender when someone else decides their gender for them anyway? That defeats the purpose of having rejected the gender they were initially assigned.

Is this seriously about making others people be slowed down due to one sex not being able to piss standing up?

Not exactly.
The main issue is about safe spaces for women, and freedom of choice for women as well.

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No, it's not. It's about how sexists want to separate the facilities based on the genitalia the intended occupants have. And do drop the act of focusing exclusively on women. Other people matter too.

[Des-Bal]

Those are all great reasons for why unisex rooms could benefit from having urinals.

Pretty much my position. I don't think that segregated bathrooms are "a problem" but I think they're unnecessary.

[Mialla]

Not exactly.
The main issue is about safe spaces for women, and freedom of choice for women as well.

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No, it's not. It's about how sexists want to separate the facilities based on the genitalia the intended occupants have. And do drop the act of focusing exclusively on women. Other people matter too.

Bathrooms are safe spaces for women.
I care about safe spaces for women.
Males don't need safe spaces: the entire world is a safe space for males.
However, keeping separated bathrooms, even males have their safe space, so they should be glad about it.
I'll try to see it from a male's perspective, even if I know I cannot:
Mixed bathrooms would very likely to result in women complaining assaults and especially harassment, and on the other side anti-feminists spouting even more lies about "false accusations": do you wish to see that? Do you wish to see more and more males expelled from the colleges and/or jailed?

[Conscentia]

No, it's not. It's about how sexists want to separate the facilities based on the genitalia the intended occupants have. And do drop the act of focusing exclusively on women. Other people matter too.

Bathrooms are safe spaces for women.
I care about safe spaces for women.
Males don't need safe spaces: the entire world is a safe space for males.
However, keeping separated bathrooms, even males have their safe space, so they should be glad about it.

I doubt those statements.

[Infected Mushroom]

Is this seriously about making others people be slowed down due to one sex not being able to piss standing up?

For the OP, yeah.

This is a very serious and pressing issue. Its one of the most pressing problems of the 21st century, at least in the developed world.

The segregation is everywhere.

[Sacara]

Separation does not always equal discrimination. I separate my pennies from dimes. Am I discriminating against currency?

I'm sigg'ing this.

[Valystria]

Separation does not always equal discrimination. I separate my pennies from dimes. Am I discriminating against currency?

No one said it does, but nice strawman.

[Valystria]

Bathrooms are safe spaces for women.
I care about safe spaces for women.
Males don't need safe spaces: the entire world is a safe space for males.
However, keeping separated bathrooms, even males have their safe space, so they should be glad about it.

I doubt those statements.

It would be easier to take her seriously if she stopped calling men "males" while referring to women as women.

No, it's not. It's about how sexists want to separate the facilities based on the genitalia the intended occupants have. And do drop the act of focusing exclusively on women. Other people matter too.

Bathrooms are safe spaces for women.
I care about safe spaces for women.
Males don't need safe spaces: the entire world is a safe space for males.
However, keeping separated bathrooms, even males have their safe space, so they should be glad about it.
I'll try to see it from a male's perspective, even if I know I cannot:
Mixed bathrooms would very likely to result in women complaining assaults and especially harassment, and on the other side anti-feminists spouting even more lies about "false accusations": do you wish to see that? Do you wish to see more and more males expelled from the colleges and/or jailed?

You realize if a "male" wanted to rape a woman there's absolutely nothing stopping them from going into the women's bathroom and doing so? I mean, they're already willing to break the law to commit a sexual assault, and you think a sign on a wall is going to stop them. Bugger off with the rape hysteria.

You've yet to provide evidence unisex facilities result in sexual assaults. It hasn't been the case where there are unisex facilities. You're a sexist beating the worn out rape monster to justify sexist segregation.


And how laughable to say the entire world is a safe space for "males". Men wouldn't get raped or end up as victims of domestic violence if that were so. But this isn't the thread for that.

[Galloism]

I doubt those statements.

It would be easier to take her seriously if she stopped calling men "males" while referring to women as women.

Bathrooms are safe spaces for women.
I care about safe spaces for women.
Males don't need safe spaces: the entire world is a safe space for males.
However, keeping separated bathrooms, even males have their safe space, so they should be glad about it.
I'll try to see it from a male's perspective, even if I know I cannot:
Mixed bathrooms would very likely to result in women complaining assaults and especially harassment, and on the other side anti-feminists spouting even more lies about "false accusations": do you wish to see that? Do you wish to see more and more males expelled from the colleges and/or jailed?

You realize if a "male" wanted to rape a woman there's absolutely nothing stopping them from going into the women's bathroom and doing so? I mean, they're already willing to break the law to commit a sexual assault, and you think a sign on a wall is going to stop them. Bugger off with the rape hysteria.

You've yet to provide evidence unisex facilities result in sexual assaults. It hasn't been the case where there are unisex facilities. You're a sexist beating the worn out rape monster to justify sexist segregation.


And how laughable to say the entire world is a safe space for "males". Men wouldn't get raped or end up as victims of domestic violence if that were so. But this isn't the thread for that.

I will remind you that you're talking to someone who is in support of making rape victims invisible and giving government aid in favor of domestic abusers.

[Conscentia]

I doubt those statements.

It would be easier to take her seriously if she stopped calling men "males" while referring to women as women.

I did not that inconsistency... how strange.

[Mialla]

I will remind you that you're talking to someone who is in support of making rape victims invisible and giving government aid in favor of domestic abusers.

That's absolutely false, since I support Yes-means-yes law, Convention of Istanbul and Duluth Model, like all Feminists.
I even defended men (better, now?) in a Radical Feminist conversation saying they make 15% victims of domestic violence (though there is quite a lot of male-on-male domestic violence and women who abuse of males are mostly counter-reacting to previous violence).

[Cyrisnia]

For the OP, yeah.

This is a very serious and pressing issue. Its one of the most pressing problems of the 21st century, at least in the developed world.

The segregation is everywhere.

If we get rid of all bathroom segregation, does it mean its okay for me to shit in the urinals?

[Galloism]

I will remind you that you're talking to someone who is in support of making rape victims invisible and giving government aid in favor of domestic abusers.

That's absolutely false, since I support Yes-means-yes law, Convention of Istanbul and Duluth Model, like all Feminists.
I even defended men (better, now?) in a Radical Feminist conversation saying they make 15% victims of domestic violence (though there is quite a lot of male-on-male domestic violence and women who abuse of males are mostly counter-reacting to previous violence).

Yes, you defended men by lying in such a way as to understate the actual victimization rates and make sure it receives little social attention, and lying about actual motivation for them being abused in such a way as to blame the victim for their own victimization.

Bravo. No one needs that kind of defense.

One might not consider it a defense at all, in fact.