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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:18 pm

Ararat Mountain wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Great. Now demonstrate that these are the majority of immigrants to Great Britain.

That is what you claimed.

oops, type in "illegal muslim immigrants in the UK" ok fixed

Buddy, I'm not going to do your homework for you. Give me a reliable fucking statistic that backs your claim, or admit that you don't fucking have one.
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New Granadeseret wrote:All this shows is non-Muslims are being a bit more varied in their choice of names then Muslims. Imagine for a moment if Christians used the name John in the same proportions...

Well the Spanish speaking nations have a penchant for the name Jesus, food for thought
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:19 pm

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To be fair, Michael is a badass name.

Nigel is the best. But we're getting off topic...


Ew. No. That's a terrible name.

Only 19th century English industrialists and explorers in Africa are named Nigel.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:19 pm

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Ararat Mountain wrote:Nigel is the best. But we're getting off topic...


Ew. No. That's a terrible name.

Only 19th century English industrialists and explorers in Africa are named Nigel.

Also cats. It's a good name for a cat.
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Postby Ararat Mountain » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:20 pm

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Ararat Mountain wrote:Nigel is the best. But we're getting off topic...


Ew. No. That's a terrible name.

Only 19th century English industrialists and explorers in Africa are named Nigel.

Exactly
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:21 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
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Ew. No. That's a terrible name.

Only 19th century English industrialists and explorers in Africa are named Nigel.

Also cats. It's a good name for a cat.


Good thing I'm a dog person. :p
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Postby Jochistan » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:21 pm

By the way, if you're worried about religious fundamentalism, I hear you. If you're mad about Muslims getting pissed at the most retarded things, I hear you.

But why take it out on all muslims? What the fuck have Sufis, Ismailis, Ahmadis or Reformists ever done to deserve the bullshit they have to deal with because of some shithead Orthodox Sunni calling for homosexuals to be stoned to death and music to be banned?

Go after the orthodoxes. They're the ones really fucking things up.
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Postby Olthar » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:21 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:
Ew. No. That's a terrible name.

Only 19th century English industrialists and explorers in Africa are named Nigel.

Also cats. It's a good name for a cat.

I once had a cat that we named Outside Kitty.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:21 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:And I can find a picture, and testimony, of a melanistic lion.

They don't actually exist, though.

You really can't find a picture of boats full of illegal muslim immigrants? Just go to this website called 'google.com' and type in "illegal muslim immigrants"


You can also probably find lots of pictures of law-abiding upstanding muslims in the UK as well. Furthermore, many of these boats are filled with refugees... which according to several international protocols the UK has signed onto they are obligated to take in if their application screens through and meets all the qualifications.

Granted, quite a few are rather economic migrants whom the UK has no obligation to accept unless they go through the usual immigration process: that is a matter of sovereignty. But the fact the are muslim doesn't make them any worse then, so, potentially seedy economic migrants from Ukraine and the Baltic States, or the various Hispanics that the US deals with.

Edit: With the intent to say that the later aren't that bad, and so the former isen't exactly a wave of demons.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:22 pm

Ararat Mountain wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:
Ew. No. That's a terrible name.

Only 19th century English industrialists and explorers in Africa are named Nigel.

Exactly


Back when we went to their nation unbidden and unwanted. Only, back then, we really didn't have the excuse of extreme poverty, war, and years of colonial and post-colonial fuckuppery.

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Postby Juristonia » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:23 pm

Jumalariik wrote:Source:
http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a25011625/top-baby-boy-names-2014

So, in the UK, since 2014, (so this is old news, but I found this out recently), Muhammad is the most popular name. This is because the amount of Muslims in the UK has increased greatly in recent times. This also shows the traditionally Christian culture of the UK being put on the spot, being challenged by Islamic culture. In the world, Islam is also on the rise on a bigger scale.

So NSG, is it a good, bad or weird thing that Mohammad is now the most popular name in the UK? Is it a sign of Christian culture's demise in the UK?

My opinion:
In my mind, being a citizen of the UK, but not living there (so it has no bearing on me), this is odd. The UK has been one of the greatest Christian nations to have ever existed in terms of power and influence, and it has historically had a national church. While losing their colonial interests around the world, large amounts of immigration from Islamic countries mainly have been going into the UK, changing the demographics greatly. This is something that is in my mind not a good thing. A nation has the right to take in immigrants, and should generally do so, however, a nation is also something that should preserve its culture, and it would seem that having such a drastic demographic change is not a good thing, it will not bring stability, and it will not bring peace.


Apart from everything else that's factually wrong about this, do you think it's a bit off that you're complaining about immigrants whilst pointing out that you are one?
And what does a name have to do with whether or not a country is losing its culture? Someone named Muhammed can't like fish and chips or colonising half the planet too?
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Postby Ararat Mountain » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:24 pm

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Ararat Mountain wrote:oops, type in "illegal muslim immigrants in the UK" ok fixed

Buddy, I'm not going to do your homework for you. Give me a reliable fucking statistic that backs your claim, or admit that you don't fucking have one.

Hundreds of pictures, videos, testimonials, etc. is my statistics? DO you really think that the government can afford to find the crazy amount of immigrants that (once they reach the shore) scatter across Europe, and ask them "Excuse me, but did you come here illegally?" LIKE ANY OF THE WOULD SAY "YES" OR EVEN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:27 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:Buddy, I'm not going to do your homework for you. Give me a reliable fucking statistic that backs your claim, or admit that you don't fucking have one.

Hundreds of pictures, videos, testimonials, etc. is my statistics? DO you really think that the government can afford to find the crazy amount of immigrants that (once they reach the shore) scatter across Europe, and ask them "Excuse me, but did you come here illegally?" LIKE ANY OF THE WOULD SAY "YES" OR EVEN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH


There are hundreds of pictures, videos, testimonials, etc. of the existence of UFO, fairies, ghosts, and reptilian humanoids from planet Omicron Persii 8. That doesn't make them true.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:27 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:Buddy, I'm not going to do your homework for you. Give me a reliable fucking statistic that backs your claim, or admit that you don't fucking have one.

Hundreds of pictures, videos, testimonials, etc. is my statistics? DO you really think that the government can afford to find the crazy amount of immigrants that (once they reach the shore) scatter across Europe, and ask them "Excuse me, but did you come here illegally?" LIKE ANY OF THE WOULD SAY "YES" OR EVEN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH

So that's a "no" then. You have no reason to think this. This is just your gut speaking.

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Postby Talvezout » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:27 pm

Ararat Mountain wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Buddy, I'm not going to do your homework for you. Give me a reliable fucking statistic that backs your claim, or admit that you don't fucking have one.

Hundreds of pictures, videos, testimonials, etc. is my statistics? DO you really think that the government can afford to find the crazy amount of immigrants that (once they reach the shore) scatter across Europe, and ask them "Excuse me, but did you come here illegally?" LIKE ANY OF THE WOULD SAY "YES" OR EVEN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH


At the very least, post a link or something instead of telling people to search it up.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:42 pm

It's kekworthy hearing people cry about the popularity of 'Muhammad' as a name. It's like those people think they're living in an episode of Doctor Who but instead of people being marched off to get turned into Cybermen they become Muslims.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:43 pm

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New Granadeseret wrote:All this shows is non-Muslims are being a bit more varied in their choice of names then Muslims. Imagine for a moment if Christians used the name John in the same proportions...

Well the Spanish speaking nations have a penchant for the name Jesus, food for thought


It's a bit presumptuous and uncreative if you ask me, but there's nothing wrong with it.
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Gauthier wrote:It's kekworthy hearing people cry about the popularity of 'Muhammad' as a name. It's like those people think they're living in an episode of Doctor Who but instead of people being marched off to get turned into Cybermen they become Muslims.


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Mostrov wrote:Given we have fairly good reason to suspect that the Britons were not in fact happy with this, Bede, Gildas, and suchlike. Or the Anglo-Saxons in turn.
Why is cultural supplantation actually seen as either something of some ambivalence or a good thing? For that matter why is cultural preservation seen as undesirable? Surely the implementation of the monocultured nationstate has saved more lives than otherwise? I don't recall the fall of the Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Russia or Yugoslavia too be a peaceful process in which tolerance and multiculturalism were praised by all.


Why do people think that people coming over would pose a threat to their culture, is their culture so weak and unworthy of being preserved that the mere presence of different people going to destroy it completely? Do you honestly think that people coming over refusing to eat pork or drink wine will infringe on your love of Morris Dancing?

As for multiculturalism, it is a fact of life you are going to have to get used to, there have never been a monocultured state, and there never will be, we are always going to get Scots, Welsh, Irish, Cornwall folks, folks from Jersey, etc. in any nation.


A disingenuous statement, especially given its merely the Latin rendering of Arabic script that is dependant upon which country the parents culturally originate from for the different Anglicisations.


Well, then, let's include Sean, Jean, Johan, John, Johannes, Giovanni, Ifan, Shane, etc. under the heading of "John" and see where that gets us.

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Postby American Imperial Union » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:51 pm

We must preserve our culture and people at any cost.

We must be prepared to evacuate and resettle those not of our ideas and people from our society.

Western society is the most advanced, it's people of the highest order. Only societies and people that attempt to emulate ours succeeds. To allow the importation of these other cultures is dangerous to human progress.
The bastardization of our culture and people must be prevented. Those immigrants who make their way into Europe should be resettled.

I think it would be good to create a national community and unite our people into an ideology that preserves our culture and expands it.

Muhammad as a name is not sufficiently European and indicates a lack of assimilation.
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American Imperial Union wrote:We must preserve our culture and people at any cost.

We must be prepared to evacuate and resettle those not of our ideas and people from our society.

Western society is the most advanced, it's people of the highest order. Only societies and people that attempt to emulate ours succeeds. To allow the importation of these other cultures is dangerous to human progress.
The bastardization of our culture and people must be prevented. Those immigrants who make their way into Europe should be resettled.

I think it would be good to create a national community and unite our people into an ideology that preserves our culture and expands it.


I hold any culture in contempt that crumbles in the face of people of different cultures. If it is so effete that it can be held up on its own, and the mere presence of different people is enough to erode and destroy it, why is it worth preserving?

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:57 pm

Assuming this is true, which the first page gives us cause to question... So the hell what? It's called cultural diffusion. It's been going on since humans evolved the capacity for culture. Get the fuck over it.
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Postby American Imperial Union » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:58 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
American Imperial Union wrote:We must preserve our culture and people at any cost.

We must be prepared to evacuate and resettle those not of our ideas and people from our society.

Western society is the most advanced, it's people of the highest order. Only societies and people that attempt to emulate ours succeeds. To allow the importation of these other cultures is dangerous to human progress.
The bastardization of our culture and people must be prevented. Those immigrants who make their way into Europe should be resettled.

I think it would be good to create a national community and unite our people into an ideology that preserves our culture and expands it.


I hold any culture in contempt that crumbles in the face of people of different cultures. If it is so effete that it can be held up on its own, and the mere presence of different people is enough to erode and destroy it, why is it worth preserving?
I agree.

If a culture isn't working to transcend the short sighted ideas of morality to insure its continued existence in the face of these threats, the then it deserves to die and fall to the more militant and violent cultures.
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