Texas secessionists launch petition drive

[American Imperial Union]

And the United states would be a nuclear wasteland.

United States of Fallout?

United States of You Literally Don't Have A Single Fucking Clue What You're Talking About. A little unwieldy, I know, but accurate.

It's impossible to know exactly to what extent nuclear weapons exist in Texas. But im betting its a far greater presence than we imagine.

[Dooom35796821595]

Texas can't even legally break away, they'll get crushed into little pieces.

And the United states would be a nuclear wasteland.

United States of Fallout?

Yay! Fallout made reality

I thought american nukes needed to be authorised by the POTUS, or is that just the silos and subs?

[Empire of Narnia]

United States of You Literally Don't Have A Single Fucking Clue What You're Talking About. A little unwieldy, I know, but accurate.

It's impossible to know exactly to what extent nuclear weapons exist in Texas. But im betting its a far greater presence than we imagine.

Wait, do you actually want Texas to secede with nukes?

[The Peoples of Xaer]

United States of You Literally Don't Have A Single Fucking Clue What You're Talking About. A little unwieldy, I know, but accurate.

It's impossible to know exactly to what extent nuclear weapons exist in Texas. But im betting its a far greater presence than we imagine.

While we're at it, Texas doesn't even have a particularly impressive slice of the nuclear arsenal, either.

Come, rejoin us in the real world. It's already been shown that the Texan population overwhelming does not want to secede in the first place, and while everything is bigger in Texas, it's just not true with the nuclear arsenal.

[Wisconsin9]

United States of You Literally Don't Have A Single Fucking Clue What You're Talking About. A little unwieldy, I know, but accurate.

It's impossible to know exactly to what extent nuclear weapons exist in Texas. But im betting its a far greater presence than we imagine.

And what, exactly, do you think the federal government is going to do with them if it starts looking like secession is a real probability? Just leave them there to be seized? Or maybe move whatever they can out of the state and, for lack of a better word, "scuttle" what they can't? Come on, man, I know you've got the fantasies about the evil liberalist hordes being burned into shadows on walls and dying in the millions of burns and radiation poisoning, but you really should think this through.

[American Imperial Union]

It's impossible to know exactly to what extent nuclear weapons exist in Texas. But im betting its a far greater presence than we imagine.

And what, exactly, do you think the federal government is going to do with them if it starts looking like secession is a real probability? Just leave them there to be seized? Or maybe move whatever they can out of the state and, for lack of a better word, "scuttle" what they can't? Come on, man, I know you've got the fantasies about the evil liberalist hordes being burned into shadows on walls and dying in the millions of burns and radiation poisoning, but you really should think this through.

Texas is one of the biggest military areas in the country its highly improbable that there aren't significant numbers of nuclear weapons in Texas. Even if they're only on airforce bases. They don't keep nukes localized, they're spread all over the country. Especially in Texas, considering its size. Do you think they'll have an opportunity or thought of mind to do that? Would they be able to prevent it in the Chaos? All of them? The Feds aren't known for their effectiveness or efficient beauracracy.

[The Peoples of Xaer]

Texas is one of the biggest military areas in the country its highly improbable that there aren't significant numbers of nuclear weapons in Texas. Even if they're only on airforce bases. They don't keep nukes localized, they're spread all over the country. Especially in Texas, considering its size. Do you think they'll have an opportunity or thought of mind to do that? Would they be able to prevent it in the Chaos? All of them? The Feds aren't known for their effectiveness or efficient beauracracy.

While we're at it, Texas doesn't even have a particularly impressive slice of the nuclear arsenal, either.

Logistically speaking, you don't want all your eggs in one basket. Texas having a large amount of military infrastructure does not automatically mean it would also have the largest nuclear infrastructure, because you don't want both of those things in the same location in the event of something happening. It makes much more sense to have the nuclear infrastructure everywhere else but Texas, in case of something drastic happening to Texas. And apparently, the US government agrees, since Texas only has the stuff that's waiting to be dismantled, the functional ones are everywhere else.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

And what, exactly, do you think the federal government is going to do with them if it starts looking like secession is a real probability? Just leave them there to be seized? Or maybe move whatever they can out of the state and, for lack of a better word, "scuttle" what they can't? Come on, man, I know you've got the fantasies about the evil liberalist hordes being burned into shadows on walls and dying in the millions of burns and radiation poisoning, but you really should think this through.

Texas is one of the biggest military areas in the country its highly improbable that there aren't significant numbers of nuclear weapons in Texas. Even if they're only on airforce bases. They don't keep nukes localized, they're spread all over the country. Especially in Texas, considering its size. Do you think they'll have an opportunity or thought of mind to do that? Would they be able to prevent it in the Chaos? All of them? The Feds aren't known for their effectiveness or efficient beauracracy.

California had 2x +10 the amount of bases Texas has. Even then, American military bases are spread out world wide, at an amount of 800, Texas, with only 15.

"Muh nukez"

[New Werpland]

If Texas secedes the rest of the United States will be deprived of calculators.

[Wisconsin9]

And what, exactly, do you think the federal government is going to do with them if it starts looking like secession is a real probability? Just leave them there to be seized? Or maybe move whatever they can out of the state and, for lack of a better word, "scuttle" what they can't? Come on, man, I know you've got the fantasies about the evil liberalist hordes being burned into shadows on walls and dying in the millions of burns and radiation poisoning, but you really should think this through.

Texas is one of the biggest military areas in the country its highly improbable that there aren't significant numbers of nuclear weapons in Texas. Even if they're only on airforce bases. They don't keep nukes localized, they're spread all over the country. Especially in Texas, considering its size. Do you think they'll have an opportunity or thought of mind to do that? Would they be able to prevent it in the Chaos? All of them? The Feds aren't known for their effectiveness or efficient beauracracy.

What chaos? Do you honestly believe that your little revolution is going to magically spring up overnight, fully formed with enough troops in the right positions to assault what you believe to be at least several installations defended by heavily armed members of the US military? It takes months to organize a war, even when you've already got loyal soldiers, a chain of command, political support, and about a thousand other things you need. I mean, hell, we spent five months preparing for Desert Storm, and we'd probably had people drawing up plans months before that.

[Camelza]

One would think that this would not be very successful in such a nationalist American state such as Texas, even with Obama as president.

Eh, the entire thing is little more than a thought experiment anyway. Contrary to the stereotype, the vast majority of Texans are, in fact, sane, rational, reasonable people. The "FUCK YEAH, SECESSION!" guys are the abnormal and decidedly minority opinion here. For all the big talk, it's not going to happen.

Well, that's my point. Nevermind the fact that the average Texan is not mad and would not risk losing everything for no good reason, I also consider Texans to be in general quite proud of being a part of the USA.
If anything, Vermont is more likely to have a popular secession movement than Texas is.

[Stellonia]

Texas is one of the biggest military areas in the country its highly improbable that there aren't significant numbers of nuclear weapons in Texas. Even if they're only on airforce bases. They don't keep nukes localized, they're spread all over the country. Especially in Texas, considering its size. Do you think they'll have an opportunity or thought of mind to do that? Would they be able to prevent it in the Chaos? All of them? The Feds aren't known for their effectiveness or efficient beauracracy.

California had 2x +10 the amount of bases Texas has.

And what happens to be the value of x?

If Texas secedes the rest of the United States will be deprived of calculators.

Only if the U.S. imposes an embargo upon us, and if they do, hard cheese on them.

[Socialist Tera]

Won't happen but I would laugh if it did. I want it to happen and I would laugh if Putin backs the new nation.

[The Rebel Alliances]

For me personally, it has less to do with Texas or even secession.

It's more of a rabid distaste and anger at what I percieve as liberal attempts to force their ideology down our throats through the federal government.

That's also why im so quick to suggest starving out cities or using nuclear weapons. A strike back, if you will, at the liberals who have been so effective in their efforts in the judiciary and legislative branches.

I feel no move can be immoral, no move too extreme in order to strike back. To put the liberal efforts in this country back and create a revolutionary situation where all the efforts of the liberals are defeated and all their "progress" completely erased, and those who have supported it dealt with.

Secession would be a great opportunity to create a conservative nation, so that both sides can have their little utopias and be left to their own designs. Of course there's an element of defiance. Id rather live in an independent Texas than spend more time than I must in a country I must share with the liberal ideology.

Coming from a user flying the American flag...and opposed by a player with a heavily altered Confed Battle Flag.

What a strange world this is.

Look, Southern Nationalism, is a dead horse. It was arguably dead when it started over political divisions more than a century and a half ago. There is no liberal or conservative hive mind. And all of this, is coming from someone who is rather conservative.

There is no, war against conservatives. Are stereotypes annoying? Sure they are, but conservatives have just as many about liberals.

Secession gains the conservative elements little, and this is coming from a former member of the LoS(I do NOT say that proudly) Anyways, secession is not practical and barring some drastic national disaster is not really desirable. There are no divisive issues worth seceding over. And not much to gain from doing so.

Now, the political infighting can certainly stop. Both sides need to realize that neither side is going anywhere. And here is the best part,

we do not even have to be enemies.

I know right? All of us live, work, learn and reside in the United States of America. So, in a metaphor, we are all one team, with very different opinions. The hard part is putting ideology aside and working together for mutual benefit, the winner takes all attitude achieves nothing, and the "If I dont get my way I'll just leave/secede!" Gains nothing.

So, put the weapons away, shake hands and get comfortable because no one is going anywhere anytime soon.

Topics like this get so annoying.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

California had 2x +10 the amount of bases Texas has.

And what happens to be the value of x?

If Texas secedes the rest of the United States will be deprived of calculators.

Only if the U.S. imposes an embargo upon us, and if they do, hard cheese on them.

15 measly bases.

[Pandeeria]

Considering that secession is treasonous, the petition should have no legal barring what so ever.

In the future, if the Texan Nationalist Movement starts to actually advocate for forceful secession, the people in advocating for it should be arrested for advocating treason as such.

[The Rebel Alliances]

Considering that secession is treasonous, the petition should have no legal barring what so ever.

In the future, if the Texan Nationalist Movement starts to actually advocate for forceful secession, the people in advocating for it should be arrested for advocating treason as such.

Sup Pandeer, good to see you. But in my experience, even the most radical of secession movements dont advocate forceful leaving.

I would know unfortunately.

[Camelza]

For me personally, it has less to do with Texas or even secession.

It's more of a rabid distaste and anger at what I percieve as liberal attempts to force their ideology down our throats through the federal government.

That's also why im so quick to suggest starving out cities or using nuclear weapons. A strike back, if you will, at the liberals who have been so effective in their efforts in the judiciary and legislative branches.

I feel no move can be immoral, no move too extreme in order to strike back. To put the liberal efforts in this country back and create a revolutionary situation where all the efforts of the liberals are defeated and all their "progress" completely erased, and those who have supported it dealt with.

Secession would be a great opportunity to create a conservative nation, so that both sides can have their little utopias and be left to their own designs. Of course there's an element of defiance. Id rather live in an independent Texas than spend more time than I must in a country I must share with the liberal ideology.

Coming from a user flying the American flag...and opposed by a player with a heavily altered Confed Battle Flag.

Just noticed this, not only you have modified USA and CSA flags respectively, you have also modified them by choosing The Empire and the Rebel Alliance from Star Wars, again respectively.
That's one of these little magic things that make life worthwhile.

[Luna Amore]

For me personally, it has less to do with Texas or even secession.

It's more of a rabid distaste and anger at what I percieve as liberal attempts to force their ideology down our throats through the federal government.

That's also why im so quick to suggest starving out cities or using nuclear weapons. A strike back, if you will, at the liberals who have been so effective in their efforts in the judiciary and legislative branches.

I feel no move can be immoral, no move too extreme in order to strike back. To put the liberal efforts in this country back and create a revolutionary situation where all the efforts of the liberals are defeated and all their "progress" completely erased, and those who have supported it dealt with.

Secession would be a great opportunity to create a conservative nation, so that both sides can have their little utopias and be left to their own designs. Of course there's an element of defiance. Id rather live in an independent Texas than spend more time than I must in a country I must share with the liberal ideology.

I realize you clarified this later, but you're dancing on the line of trolling with this comment. I'd suggest reading over the rules.

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[Pandeeria]

Considering that secession is treasonous, the petition should have no legal barring what so ever.

In the future, if the Texan Nationalist Movement starts to actually advocate for forceful secession, the people in advocating for it should be arrested for advocating treason as such.

Sup Pandeer, good to see you. But in my experience, even the most radical of secession movements dont advocate forceful leaving.

I would know unfortunately.

Hello.

The entire idea of "The South will rise again" seems like a more or less advocating of forceful armed secession. I know most people, Southern or not, use I jokingly, but there are always those people with their guns and pitchforks that do genuinely believe in armed secession.

All it takes is enough of those people to get together, get power, and a potential conflict could happen. Advocating for armed secession is advocating for one of the greatest forms of treason, and should be dealt with as such.

[The Rebel Alliances]

Coming from a user flying the American flag...and opposed by a player with a heavily altered Confed Battle Flag.

Just noticed this, not only you have modified USA and CSA flags respectively, you have also modified them by choosing The Empire and the Rebel Alliance from Star Wars, again respectively.
That's one of these little magic things that make life worthwhile.

Tell me about it, there was a time in my past here where I supported secession. Quite openly actually. But that was never the reason for my flag. I use this because I am from the south, and love Star Wars, and the Rebel Alliance is my favorite faction in the GCW.

My views have since changed though.

[The Rebel Alliances]

Sup Pandeer, good to see you. But in my experience, even the most radical of secession movements dont advocate forceful leaving.

I would know unfortunately.

Hello.

The entire idea of "The South will rise again" seems like a more or less advocating of forceful armed secession. I know most people, Southern or not, use I jokingly, but there are always those people with their guns and pitchforks that do genuinely believe in armed secession.

All it takes is enough of those people to get together, get power, and a potential conflict could happen. Advocating for armed secession is advocating for one of the greatest forms of treason, and should be dealt with as such.

I would not worry, as I said, even the LoS advocates peaceful and organized secession. And I dont know any other organized group more radical than they are. And the numbers of the ones who actually would violently support such measures are thankfully a sliver of the population, and very spread out.

[The 502nd SS]

As a Texan I can tell you that your statement is a whole bunch of bullshit(except the gay marriage part).

They don't care, they just wanted another opportunity to stereotype and insult Texans.

Here's an idea: try not generalizing (or flat-out lying) about what other people think.

I have no problem with Texans. I have a problem with secessionists, hypocrites, theocrats, supporters of tyranny, and advocates of mass murder, wherever they may hail from.

Though since you're apparently a Texan who identifies with the fucking SS, you're not helping your case here.

Of course, its hard to tell when someone's a sincere Nazi here or just role playing as one. But still.

Every time Texas is mentioned it seems that a whole bunch of people take the chance to call us backwards, rednecks, racist, stupid, and a whole bunch of other things. I may be paranoid though

With a little research you would know that my flag is the proposed flag of the German resistance in WWII, so theres that. My name has nothing to do with political views.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Cause the war wasn't horrible enough.

[Camelza]

Just noticed this, not only you have modified USA and CSA flags respectively, you have also modified them by choosing The Empire and the Rebel Alliance from Star Wars, again respectively.
That's one of these little magic things that make life worthwhile.

Tell me about it, there was a time in my past here where I supported secession. Quite openly actually. But that was never the reason for my flag. I use this because I am from the south, and love Star Wars, and the Rebel Alliance is my favorite faction in the GCW.

My views have since changed though.

I think the sigil of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, (you know; the one that fought for system's rights and the Outer Rim) would be more appropriate.