Indian village "court" orders 2 sisters gang-raped

[Yedmnrutika Gavr]

that is a level of ignorance difficult to pity. its crazy that rape could ever be condoned as righteous or justice but more importantly its a foreign country and i know interventions are demonized .. on a positive note, india is slowly changing in the human rights department and most would say in an overall good direction at least in urban areas. as far as the us is concerned i hope the trend doesnt continue and if it does i would be willing to protest. there should be no separate religious court and religion in general has no place in a court system imo.

[Costa Fierro]

And here we have the latest entry in "Why religion has no place in the judicial system of a civilized nation".

Two things. Firstly, this isn't legally binding. Not only is this act not recognized by the official courts of the federal government or any of the state governments in India, but it's also not a legal thing to do either. The problem is, the Indian police has a very shaky grasp on most of the countryside, hence why these "courts" are still a thing.

Secondly, this wasn't motivated by religion. The caste system is India's social order. People from all faiths can be in any of the castes.

Is the caste system not derived from Hindu teachings? It's existence seems to be a major enabler of these atrocities. The desire to shame the family seems to stem from the need to put down these uppity members of the lowest religious caste, who have a family member that dared to fall in love with a member of a higher religious caste.

The religious aspect of this is now longer as prominent as it once was. It's hard to claim religion when everyone has basically said the caste system is social.

[San Llera]

Regardless of religion or the legality of this, the people in charge of these courts should be given the harshest punishment they've ever handed out.

[Aethrys]

And here we have the latest entry in "Why religion has no place in the judicial system of a civilized nation".

Two things. Firstly, this isn't legally binding. Not only is this act not recognized by the official courts of the federal government or any of the state governments in India, but it's also not a legal thing to do either. The problem is, the Indian police has a very shaky grasp on most of the countryside, hence why these "courts" are still a thing.

Secondly, this wasn't motivated by religion. The caste system is India's social order. People from all faiths can be in any of the castes.

Is the caste system not derived from Hindu teachings? It's existence seems to be a major enabler of these atrocities. The desire to shame the family seems to stem from the need to put down these uppity members of the lowest religious caste, who have a family member that dared to fall in love with a member of a higher religious caste.

The religious aspect of this is now longer as prominent as it once was. It's hard to claim religion when everyone has basically said the caste system is social.

Of course it's not legally binding. Which is why the family was able to flee to Delhi and for the moment has only had their home looted in retaliation for not submitting to it. Seriously, what are you guys trying to get at? De jure this should not happen. De facto, it does. What are you trying to argue here?

Religion is cultural. Current prominence aside, it's still the root cause. Hinduism said "Let's group people into strictly defined orders so that we can control them more easily." And so it came to pass. The "Well this is a social/cultural thing" gets rather thin. Is this for some reason only palatable as a "Cultural" happening because religious practices need to be kept above reproach in your view?

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I don't quite see what this has to do with religion, seeing how the incident is clearly considered extreme even by local standards.

Obviously, you can't expect better from a bunch of illiterate peasants. What it really shows is how weak the grasp of the central authority in India really is.

[American Imperial Union]

Disgusting.

Who is going to perforn this rape?

The "judges"?

[Urran]

I fail to see what this has to do with religion. Granted, like many Asian countries, religion, mainly Hinduism, is the beating heart of culture in India. However, this has nothing to do with that. India has always been a nation where the term "women's rights" is a foreign concept, especially in the rural areas. While India is a very religious nation, this isn't a religious act. This stems from the caste social system and lack of women's rights, not Hinduism. As screwed up as it is, for once religion isn't to blame, but a broken social system.

[Saint-Thor]

Obviously, you can't expect better from a bunch of illiterate peasants. What it really shows is how weak the grasp of the central authority in India really is.

Even then, not all illiterate peasants would abase themselves to such behaviors. Those men are the scum of humanity.

I fail to see what this has to do with religion. Granted, like many Asian countries, religion, mainly Hinduism, is the beating heart of culture in India. However, this has nothing to do with that. India has always been a nation where the term "women's rights" is a foreign concept, especially in the rural areas. While India is a very religious nation, this isn't a religious act. This stems from the caste social system and lack of women's rights, not Hinduism. As screwed up as it is, for once religion isn't to blame, but a broken social system.

Would you say it's cultural then? Because it's not the first time I read a story like that. It seems to be more frequent than we know, especially in small villages where it doesn't go public.

[Sun Wukong]

I fail to see what this has to do with religion. Granted, like many Asian countries, religion, mainly Hinduism, is the beating heart of culture in India. However, this has nothing to do with that. India has always been a nation where the term "women's rights" is a foreign concept, especially in the rural areas. While India is a very religious nation, this isn't a religious act. This stems from the caste social system and lack of women's rights, not Hinduism. As screwed up as it is, for once religion isn't to blame, but a broken social system.

Hinduism, of course, is massive, and complex, and cannot be neatly described or ascribed.

But you're kidding yourself if you think the cast system and sexism in India don't have anything to do with religion.

[Luna Amore]

This has little to do with religion, and more to do with a culture where women are still being treated as property and as less worth than a male. They have been ordered raped to shame their family.

What this 'informal council' needs is to, themselves, be subjected to the 'judgment' they blithely passed on others. That, or shot, I don't much care which.

Regardless of the topic at hand, advocating rape/murder is absolutely unacceptable. This is a bad example for the rest of the player base. Considering your spotless record over the last 12+ years, unofficial warning for advocating rape/murder.

[Divitaen]

This is the most disgusting and barbaric form of "justice" I have ever heard of. So many things wrong with this. Reminds me of those Indian religious leaders who said the New Delhi rape victim had to take some "responsibility" because it "takes two hands to clap".

Shivers.

[The Orson Empire]

This has little to do with religion, and more to do with a culture where women are still being treated as property and as less worth than a male. They have been ordered raped to shame their family.

What this 'informal council' needs is to, themselves, be subjected to the 'judgment' they blithely passed on others. That, or shot, I don't much care which.

Considering that you are a mod, and you are advocating rape/murder as punishment....don't you think that this sets a bad example for everyone else?

[Grays Harbor]

This has little to do with religion, and more to do with a culture where women are still being treated as property and as less worth than a male. They have been ordered raped to shame their family.

What this 'informal council' needs is to, themselves, be subjected to the 'judgment' they blithely passed on others. That, or shot, I don't much care which.

Considering that you are a mod, and you are advocating rape/murder as punishment....don't you think that this sets a bad example for everyone else?

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[Nightkill the Emperor]

Nightkill might be able to offer some interesting perspective considering you know they happen to be in India.

This is illegal, immoral, monstrous and those responsible for this order should be dealt with harshly as we work to nurture women's rights and feminism.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

The Supreme Court have previously ruled that the village court’s decrees are not legally binding, but that hasn’t fully eliminated the system as such attitudes are quite entrenched in these areas. It's not the fault of religion - it is poor education. At independence, we had 12% literacy. Now, I believe it's 75%. But major progress must be made still.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

What the fuck is this. Hopefully, it's not true...oh wait. Well, now I know to never to let my younger sister to go rural India.

Same reason I ask my siblings to stay out of urban America, you know. They might get shot. There's a mass shooting a day, just can't be risked.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I fail to see what this has to do with religion. Granted, like many Asian countries, religion, mainly Hinduism, is the beating heart of culture in India. However, this has nothing to do with that. India has always been a nation where the term "women's rights" is a foreign concept, especially in the rural areas. While India is a very religious nation, this isn't a religious act. This stems from the caste social system and lack of women's rights, not Hinduism. As screwed up as it is, for once religion isn't to blame, but a broken social system.

Hinduism, of course, is massive, and complex, and cannot be neatly described or ascribed.

But you're kidding yourself if you think the cast system and sexism in India don't have anything to do with religion.

It's quite deeply complicated. Religion and how it is interpreted does play a role - however, I firmly believe that the bigger issue is a lack of education and feminist values in the county and specifically these areas. Religion can be a force for good when it is combined with these values.

[Wisconsin9]

This really makes me wish I was just a little less stringent about when I think executions are appropriate.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

This really makes me wish I was just a little less stringent about when I think executions are appropriate.

Indian prisons are horrific and would be a far worse fate.

Which, admittedly, is a bad thing since prisons should focus on rehabilitation.

[American Imperial Union]

This has little to do with religion, and more to do with a culture where women are still being treated as property and as less worth than a male. They have been ordered raped to shame their family.

What this 'informal council' needs is to, themselves, be subjected to the 'judgment' they blithely passed on others. That, or shot, I don't much care which.

Regardless of the topic at hand, advocating rape/murder is absolutely unacceptable. This is a bad example for the rest of the player base. Considering your spotless record over the last 12+ years, unofficial warning for advocating rape/murder.

That's surprising. Makes me wonder if there is anybody theoretically above the rules. Max, Maybe?

[Page]

lol@ mods getting to do the same thing I got warned for in the past.

Though I totally agree with what Kat said, though the hypocrisy is astounding.

[American Imperial Union]

lol@ mods getting to do the same thing I got warned for in the past.

Though I totally agree with what Kat said, though the hypocrisy is astounding.

No need to gloat though.

[Costa Fierro]

Religion is cultural. Current prominence aside, it's still the root cause. Hinduism said "Let's group people into strictly defined orders so that we can control them more easily." And so it came to pass. The "Well this is a social/cultural thing" gets rather thin. Is this for some reason only palatable as a "Cultural" happening because religious practices need to be kept above reproach in your view?

It's not but trying to make something an argument about religion when it isn't is being dishonest.

[The Two Jerseys]

There's no way that Manisdog can blame this on the British, they'd have hanged that "court" in the blink of an eye.

[American Imperial Union]

There's no way that Manisdog can blame this on the British, they'd have hanged that "court" in the blink of an eye.

I don't think Colonialism was all that bad. It helped reign in the more...barbaric elements of these societies.