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Postby Deuxtete » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:28 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Our similar institution isn't intransigent to the point of petty resistance to the notion that French is not God's gift to spoken word.

I don't see the problem with preserving one of the most beautiful language of the world of foreign influence which may denature it.

Beeautiful is kind of subjective.
I do agree with concept of preserving language as its integral to preserving culture.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:30 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Our similar institution isn't intransigent to the point of petty resistance to the notion that French is not God's gift to spoken word.

I don't see the problem with preserving one of the most beautiful language of the world of foreign influence which may denature it.


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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:31 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Our similar institution isn't intransigent to the point of petty resistance to the notion that French is not God's gift to spoken word.

I don't see the problem with preserving one of the most beautiful language of the world of foreign influence which may denature it.

I don't see what's wrong with the opposite.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:48 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Aelex wrote:I don't see the problem with preserving one of the most beautiful language of the world of foreign influence which may denature it.

I don't see what's wrong with the opposite.

Then you're really dense. Or just don't care about neither your language nor culture. Anyway, the Académie Française did it's job greatly as the English language don't managed to influence French more than by adding a few words (which ironically came for most part from French originally) and idiomes mostly used by youngs and wanna-be hispters.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:49 pm

Deuxtete wrote:Beeautiful is kind of subjective.
I do agree with concept of preserving language as its integral to preserving culture.

Subjective to some point. French is indeed recognized as both the language of Romance, Culture and Diplomacy.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:53 pm

Aelex wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Our similar institution isn't intransigent to the point of petty resistance to the notion that French is not God's gift to spoken word.

I don't see the problem with preserving one of the most beautiful language of the world of foreign influence which may denature it.

Because it's petty denial of how language works.
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Postby Stellonia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:53 pm

Why are we discussing Romantic languages?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:55 pm

Aelex wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I don't see what's wrong with the opposite.

Then you're really dense. Or just don't care about neither your language nor culture.

Why should I?

Besides, caring about your language or culture does not necessarily include instituting things to preserve language or culture.
Anyway, the Académie Française did it's job greatly as the English language don't managed to influence French more than by adding a few words (which ironically came for most part from French originally) and idiomes mostly used by youngs and wanna-be hispters.

It's good that they keep the master language unmolested by degenerates.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:56 pm

Stellonia wrote:Why are we discussing Romantic languages?


That's what usually happens on NSG.
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Postby Deuxtete » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:57 pm

Aelex wrote:
Deuxtete wrote:Beeautiful is kind of subjective.
I do agree with concept of preserving language as its integral to preserving culture.

Subjective to some point. French is indeed recognized as both the language of Romance, Culture and Diplomacy.

It's the ugliest of the romance languages to my ear, subjective.
I don't think French or France when I think culture...I know the French do, they've been hard selling that schtick since forever.

Diplomacy, I can't comment. International business, I'm expecting German.

That being said, I respect the immutable French arrogance about their culture, its where Americans got their immutable arrogance about ours.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:08 pm

Stellonia wrote:Why are we discussing Romantic languages?


Maybe because its fun.

Or maybe because the Romance languages rule! :o :lol:
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Postby Aelex » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:09 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:Because it's petty denial of how language works.

Not so much. Language changes are either caused by conquest (which is the reason why 45% of english word come from french), by exchange between neighbooring country or, more modernly, by the influence of mass culture.
Since English failed to conquer France since a long time and that you're an Island, two of the reason which may cause English to influence French are caducs. It's to avoid the last one that the Académie Française regulate the number of American T.V show and impose French ones. It has the double advantage of sparing us from most of your shit like the Prince of Bel-Air or Dallas while in the same time keeping running our own T.V industry which create a lot of good show like "Kaamelot", "Scène de Ménage", "Un Gars, Une Fille" or "Caméra Café".
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Postby Actan » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:10 pm

Aelex wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I don't see what's wrong with the opposite.

Then you're really dense. Or just don't care about neither your language nor culture. Anyway, the Académie Française did it's job greatly as the English language don't managed to influence French more than by adding a few words (which ironically came for most part from French originally) and idiomes mostly used by youngs and wanna-be hispters.

No, English just managed to completely replace French as, hilariously, the lingua franca.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:11 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Besides, caring about your language or culture does not necessarily include instituting things to preserve language or culture..

It did actually. Because if you're willing to throw away or let degenerate your own language and culture for no real reasons, then you simply didn't cared about it.
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Postby Stellonia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:12 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Stellonia wrote:Why are we discussing Romantic languages?


Maybe because its fun.

Or maybe because the Romance languages rule! :o :lol:

I find that to be rather strange, given that there is no major thread to discuss Romance languages.

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Aelex wrote:Then you're really dense. Or just don't care about neither your language nor culture. Anyway, the Académie Française did it's job greatly as the English language don't managed to influence French more than by adding a few words (which ironically came for most part from French originally) and idiomes mostly used by youngs and wanna-be hispters.

No, English just managed to completely replace French as, hilariously, the lingua franca.

:rofl: What irony!

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:14 pm

Aelex wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Because it's petty denial of how language works.

Not so much. Language changes are either caused by conquest (which is the reason why 45% of english word come from french), by exchange between neighbooring country or, more modernly, by the influence of mass culture.
Since English failed to conquer France since a long time and that you're an Island, two of the reason which may cause English to influence French are caducs. It's to avoid the last one that the Académie Française regulate the number of American T.V show and impose French ones. It has the double advantage of sparing us from most of your shit like the Prince of Bel-Air or Dallas while in the same time keeping running our own T.V industry which create a lot of good show like "Kaamelot", "Scène de Ménage", "Un Gars, Une Fille" or "Caméra Café".

I'm not surprised I haven't heard of those. Probably because they're not worth exporting like Fresh Prince is.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:15 pm

Aelex wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Besides, caring about your language or culture does not necessarily include instituting things to preserve language or culture..

It did actually. Because if you're willing to throw away or let degenerate your own language and culture for no real reasons, then you simply didn't cared about it.

We don't care about it changing. Doesn't mean we don't care at all.
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Postby Est du Canada » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:17 pm

as a Canadian i don't think there anything wrong with it

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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:19 pm

Aelex wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Besides, caring about your language or culture does not necessarily include instituting things to preserve language or culture..

It did actually. Because if you're willing to throw away or let degenerate your own language and culture for no real reasons, then you simply didn't cared about it.


Change is part of the life. Everything has its time and everything dies.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:20 pm

Immoren wrote:
Aelex wrote:It did actually. Because if you're willing to throw away or let degenerate your own language and culture for no real reasons, then you simply didn't cared about it.


Change is part of the life. Everything has its time and everything dies.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:34 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'm not surprised I haven't heard of those. Probably because they're not worth exporting like Fresh Prince is.

:rofl:
The fact that you could consider the freah prince as "worth exporting" kinda make me sad for you since you don't have the chance to know what GOOD t.v show are.
Anyway, the reasons of why you didn't heard about them are multiple.
For Kaamelot, Alexandre Astier the author of the show who is for me litteraly Molière reborn, refused to sell the right of distribution and of adaption of the show to other's country's T.V because he known that translating it would completly ruin his work.
However this case is pretty rare if not unique. A lot of other successful french T.V show (like Caméra Café and Un Gars, Une fille) sell their rights of adaption all around the world so you might have saw their localized version.
The real reason of why you didn't heard of them is simply that 1)France don't dominate the mass culture itself even if we are still highly present in both litterature and cinema and 2)French is a complex and meaningfull language and thus is horrible to translate to and even harder to translate from.
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Postby Calimera II » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:38 pm

Aelex wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'm not surprised I haven't heard of those. Probably because they're not worth exporting like Fresh Prince is.

:rofl:
The fact that you could consider the freah prince as "worth exporting" kinda make me sad for you since you don't have the chance to know what GOOD t.v show are.
Anyway, the reasons of why you didn't heard about them are multiple.
For Kaamelot, Alexandre Astier the author of the show who is for me litteraly Molière reborn, refused to sell the right of distribution and of adaption of the show to other's country's T.V because he known that translating it would completly ruin his work.
However this case is pretty rare if not unique. A lot of other successful french T.V show (like Caméra Café and Un Gars, Une fille) sell their rights of adaption all around the world so you might have saw their localized version.
The real reason of why you didn't heard of them is simply that 1)France don't dominate the mass culture itself even if we are still highly present in both litterature and cinema and 2)French is a complex and meaningfull language and thus is horrible to translate to and even harder to translate from.


I didn't know you were a cultural supremacist.

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Postby Actan » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:39 pm

Aelex wrote:2)French is a complex and meaningfull language and thus is horrible to translate to and even harder to translate from.

French really isn't that special, Aelex. It is no more "meaningful" or complex than any other Latin language, or really any language, and the job of translators is not to literally put down the word-to-word translation but to convey the similar statement but in the native language the art is taking place in. It happens all the time with every country. The reason why France doesn't is because it simply isn't as culturally powerful on the world stage as the US and Britain.
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