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Postby New Grestin » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:27 am

Nothing, really.

I mean, you can't really call yourself "North American" or "United States-ian". It just doesn't have the same ring.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:30 am

New Grestin wrote:Nothing, really.

I mean, you can't really call yourself "North American" or "United States-ian". It just doesn't have the same ring.

That's a silly reason.
It "doesn't have the same ring" because you've spent two centuries not using it. If NY had stayed "New Amsterdam" all those years ago, we'd be thinking today that "New York" just didn't have the same ring.

Besides, the French already call you "USians".
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Postby Fesconia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:57 am

I don't think there's anything wrong with it really. You can't say United Statesian just like you can't say United Kindomian if you're British. It only really annoys me when Americans say which state they're from as well. I mean, why would I care what state you're from? It's not as if the 51 states are their own little countries. Some Americans behave as if they are.

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Postby Archegnum » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:04 am

Fesconia wrote:I don't think there's anything wrong with it really. You can't say United Statesian just like you can't say United Kindomian if you're British. It only really annoys me when Americans say which state they're from as well. I mean, why would I care what state you're from? It's not as if the 51 states are their own little countries. Some Americans behave as if they are.


In Britain, it's simpler. Our nation's name does not contain reference to a continent. Therefore, Englishmen/women, Scots, Welshmen/women and, to an extent, Ulstermen/women, can all call themselves 'Britons' and 'British' with no controversy. But because (for some reason) Latin Americans regard the Americas as a single continent, they seem to get themselves into a hissy fit over Americans calling themselves 'Americans'. The simplest solution is to respect the language you are using: e.g. 'American' in English (even British English, which is superior, but that's not important :P) and the Spanish or Portuguese equivalent of 'United States-ian' in Spanish or Portuguese.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:05 am

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Fesconia wrote:I don't think there's anything wrong with it really. You can't say United Statesian just like you can't say United Kindomian if you're British. It only really annoys me when Americans say which state they're from as well. I mean, why would I care what state you're from? It's not as if the 51 states are their own little countries. Some Americans behave as if they are.


In Britain, it's simpler. Our nation's name does not contain reference to a continent. Therefore, Englishmen/women, Scots, Welshmen/women and, to an extent, Ulstermen/women, can all call themselves 'Britons' and 'British' with no controversy. But because (for some reason) Latin Americans regard the Americas as a single continent, they seem to get themselves into a hissy fit over Americans calling themselves 'Americans'. The simplest solution is to respect the language you are using: e.g. 'American' in English (even British English, which is superior, but that's not important :P) and the Spanish or Portuguese equivalent of 'United States-ian' in Spanish or Portuguese.


On the otherhand, quite a large group of Brits get pretty upset if people use the word "English" to refer to them :P
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Postby Fesconia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:36 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Archegnum wrote:
In Britain, it's simpler. Our nation's name does not contain reference to a continent. Therefore, Englishmen/women, Scots, Welshmen/women and, to an extent, Ulstermen/women, can all call themselves 'Britons' and 'British' with no controversy. But because (for some reason) Latin Americans regard the Americas as a single continent, they seem to get themselves into a hissy fit over Americans calling themselves 'Americans'. The simplest solution is to respect the language you are using: e.g. 'American' in English (even British English, which is superior, but that's not important :P) and the Spanish or Portuguese equivalent of 'United States-ian' in Spanish or Portuguese.


On the otherhand, quite a large group of Brits get pretty upset if people use the word "English" to refer to them :P


Unlike a lot of Americans who most likely would actually feel patriotic if they were referred to by their states' name like Californians, Texans or New Yorkers.

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Postby Forsher » Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:33 am

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Republic of Canador wrote:I'm sure it's also annoying when people confuse the nation Turkey with the fat domesticated bird. I don't see any calls to change the names of either though. Greenland is not green; that has to be a misleading name. Chile shares its name with a spicy vegetable, and even looks like one too.

I guarantee if the U.S. Changed its denonym we'd have much more confusion than we do now.

None of your "examples" are remotely comparable.

"I am from Turkey"
"How did you fit?"

"I am from Greenland"
"Why are you white?"

"I am from Chile"
"I thought it was warm there."

Fucking nonsensical.


Attend to "Well, that's in Spanish or in French but when you're speaking English...".

Don't pretend that it is logical or appropriate to be speaking German and suddenly refer to Germany as Germany. Don't pretend that this isn't what is happening here.

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On the otherhand, quite a large group of Brits get pretty upset if people use the word "English" to refer to them :P


Unlike a lot of Americans who most likely would actually feel patriotic if they were referred to by their states' name like Californians, Texans or New Yorkers.


Er, I'm fairly certain they're pointing out that the English are a subset of Britons, and that using England for Britain is problematic. Although, yes, I would say that there are possible issues with describing some English people as such because English nationalism and an English identity is, for instance, strongly associated with the likes of skinheads or hooligans or both together.
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Postby BK117B2 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:46 am

Fesconia wrote:I don't think there's anything wrong with it really. You can't say United Statesian just like you can't say United Kindomian if you're British. It only really annoys me when Americans say which state they're from as well. I mean, why would I care what state you're from? It's not as if the 51 states are their own little countries. Some Americans behave as if they are.


I generally tend to say which state or city, since country usually becomes fairly obvious without ever needing to ask. If you have spent some time talking to someone, then their name, accent, background will probably already tell you the country, so why ask? If you aren't going to spend any time talking or getting to know someone, then why bother asking?

I find it annoying when people answer with their country. Oh really, you're Italian/Chinese/whatever.....how could I have ever guessed your probable origins from your Italian/Chinese/etc name/accent/university/etc

And I just woke up this morning so I haven't seen the news yet, but what state was added while I was sleeping?

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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:55 am

Fesconia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
On the otherhand, quite a large group of Brits get pretty upset if people use the word "English" to refer to them :P


Unlike a lot of Americans who most likely would actually feel patriotic if they were referred to by their states' name like Californians, Texans or New Yorkers.


Well, no. The issue would be referring to all Americans as New Yorkers. We have a similar situation over here, where Holland can mean the provinces of North and South Holland (which is what it means "officially") or the entire country of Netherland (this is due to the dominant position Holland has held for a long time). There are Netherlanders that resent being called a Hollander when they're not from Holland, but from some other province; and I myself, despite being a Hollander, hardly ever use it to mean the entire country (pretty much only in the slogan "Hup Holland Hup").
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Postby Stellonia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:33 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:"I am from Chile"
"I thought it was warm there."

Why'd you think that? It's called Chile!

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Postby United States of White America » Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:57 am

Nothing. America is the best country in the world.
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Postby Ndaku » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:12 am

You should of walked away saying "Sorry I can't hear you over my freedom"
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Postby Stellonia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:14 am

Ndaku wrote:You should of walked away saying "Sorry I can't hear you over my freedom"

I hope you're being sarcastic, because revelling in American exceptionalism in order to offend foreigners seems highly insolent.

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Postby Princia Isles » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:15 am

I'M AMERICAN SEE NOTHING WRONG

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Postby Ndaku » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:17 am

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Ndaku wrote:You should of walked away saying "Sorry I can't hear you over my freedom"

I hope you're being sarcastic, because revelling in American exceptionalism in order to offend foreigners seems highly insolent.

:roll: Of course I'm being sarcastic.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:18 am

"UnitedStatesian" sounds fucking stupid, and I won't call myself one until it becomes necessary. Bitch to me when it becomes commonplace for people to identify where they live or are from by continent instead of country.
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Postby Stellonia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:19 am

Princia Isles wrote:I'M AMERICAN SEE NOTHING WRONG

Then perhaps you might need to learn that bragging about your own freedom is not considered to be polite.

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Postby BK117B2 » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:20 am

Stellonia wrote:
Ndaku wrote:You should of walked away saying "Sorry I can't hear you over my freedom"

I hope you're being sarcastic, because revelling in American exceptionalism in order to offend foreigners seems highly insolent.


But, in this case, the person involved was actively seeking a reason to be offended. If you cannot tease people when they are being utterly ridiculous, then when can you?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:22 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:None of your "examples" are remotely comparable.

"I am from Turkey"
"How did you fit?"

"I am from Greenland"
"Why are you white?"

"I am from Chile"
"I thought it was warm there."

Fucking nonsensical.


Attend to "Well, that's in Spanish or in French but when you're speaking English...".

Don't pretend that it is logical or appropriate to be speaking German and suddenly refer to Germany as Germany. Don't pretend that this isn't what is happening here.

Not sure what you're referring to here.
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Postby Forsher » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:26 am

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Forsher wrote:
Attend to "Well, that's in Spanish or in French but when you're speaking English...".

Don't pretend that it is logical or appropriate to be speaking German and suddenly refer to Germany as Germany. Don't pretend that this isn't what is happening here.

Not sure what you're referring to here.


In German, Germany isn't called Germany. It has a German name. This should be obvious. It should also be obvious that you'd be pretty arrogant to use English place names if you were speaking, say, Spanish or if you were speaking English to be using Spanish place names (assuming, of course, that these are different). You have ignored a few posts pointing this out (although, of course, you may have mustered some sort of argument in pages I have not seen), but have continued to push what looks strongly like "I have every right to use Spanish terminology..."
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:29 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Not sure what you're referring to here.


In German, Germany isn't called Germany. It has a German name. This should be obvious. It should also be obvious that you'd be pretty arrogant to use English place names if you were speaking, say, Spanish or if you were speaking English to be using Spanish place names (assuming, of course, that these are different). You have ignored a few posts pointing this out (although, of course, you may have mustered some sort of argument in pages I have not seen), but have continued to push what looks strongly like "I have every right to use Spanish terminology..."

When?

All I have said is "apparently [per the remit of this thread's existence] some South Americans get narky at Americans calling themselves Americans. The French call Americans (of the US) "United-Statesians" and I think this could be a nifty alternative."
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Postby Forsher » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:37 am

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Forsher wrote:
In German, Germany isn't called Germany. It has a German name. This should be obvious. It should also be obvious that you'd be pretty arrogant to use English place names if you were speaking, say, Spanish or if you were speaking English to be using Spanish place names (assuming, of course, that these are different). You have ignored a few posts pointing this out (although, of course, you may have mustered some sort of argument in pages I have not seen), but have continued to push what looks strongly like "I have every right to use Spanish terminology..."

When?

All I have said is "apparently [per the remit of this thread's existence] some South Americans get narky at Americans calling themselves Americans. The French call Americans (of the US) "United-Statesians" and I think this could be a nifty alternative."


Yes, but you've been ignoring that said South Americans are in error by applying Spanish (or, perhaps, South American Spanish) concepts in a different language.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:48 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:When?

All I have said is "apparently [per the remit of this thread's existence] some South Americans get narky at Americans calling themselves Americans. The French call Americans (of the US) "United-Statesians" and I think this could be a nifty alternative."


Yes, but you've been ignoring that said South Americans are in error by applying Spanish (or, perhaps, South American Spanish) concepts in a different language.

I haven't even brought up the Spanish language.
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What's wrong with saying I'm American?

Postby Deuxtete » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:49 am

Fesconia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
On the otherhand, quite a large group of Brits get pretty upset if people use the word "English" to refer to them :P


Unlike a lot of Americans who most likely would actually feel patriotic if they were referred to by their states' name like Californians, Texans or New Yorkers.

More exactly like Americans who would be offended if you called them all Texans even if they were from New York.
The is exactly why I don't use the term English anymore, because of rants about all Brits not being English.
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