Do women have the right to expose their chests?

[Gauthier]

If breasts are legally considered to be genitalia, should being nude be legal as well?

Breasts are legally genitalia because the law is wrong. It can however be changed.

It'll take a woman being put on a sex offender registry and losing custody of a child over public breastfeeding before that happens.

[Deuxtete]

Are people really ignoring the difference between breasts and pecks.....?

Are you literally unaware that women have pectoral muscles(Pecks).
Or are you ignoring that men can lactate?
Ignoring men can get breast cancer?

Read a fucking book.

[Cannot think of a name]

Are people really ignoring the difference between breasts and pecks.....?

Sure, there are profound differences. But it should be up to the breast holder if the feel like they need to be contained or supported or whatever. If they're cool with them swinging in the breeze why should that be an issue for someone who doesn't have to carry them around?

[Deuxtete]

Breasts are legally genitalia because the law is wrong. It can however be changed.

It'll take a woman being put on a sex offender registry and losing custody of a child over public breastfeeding before that happens.

I hope you're wrong.

[Deuxtete]

Are people really ignoring the difference between breasts and pecks.....?

Sure, there are profound differences. But it should be up to the breast holder if the feel like they need to be contained or supported or whatever. If they're cool with them swinging in the breeze why should that be an issue for someone who doesn't have to carry them around?

There are not profound differences, there are superficial visible differences.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Dont really see the issue with it, especially in hot areas where you commonly see people without their shirts off such as the beach, swimming pools etc, so why not allow women to go topless in these environments as well as men? After all the notions of Women's Breasts being overly sexual or Taboo is a bunch of nonsense people made up and the other notion of "Hoho teh Boobies" or "they will cause provocative and indecent behaviour amongst men" is quite childish really and yeah ive seen people use the latter there as an actual excuse, not in this thread but elsewhere and its very silly and just demeans people.

So yeah in short why not. Same with public breastfeeding and what have you.

It's clearly a feminist plot to minimize the importance of bare male chests.

Fuck he is on to us, Abort! Abort!

[The Black Forrest]

Can we please all keep our damn clothes on? I mean, we've invented those for a reason, you know.

True but it was Religion that made the body icky.

[Cannot think of a name]

Sure, there are profound differences. But it should be up to the breast holder if the feel like they need to be contained or supported or whatever. If they're cool with them swinging in the breeze why should that be an issue for someone who doesn't have to carry them around?

There are not profound differences, there are superficial visible differences.

Are you really going to split hairs when we're essentially coming to the same conclusion?

[Sun Wukong]

There are not profound differences, there are superficial visible differences.

Are you really going to split hairs when we're essentially coming to the same conclusion?

This... is... NSG!

*Kicks into the pit of forum 7*

[The Black Forrest]

Are people really ignoring the difference between breasts and pecks.....?

Are you literally unaware that women have pectoral muscles(Pecks).
Or are you ignoring that men can lactate?
Ignoring men can get breast cancer?

Read a fucking book.

People aren't that literal. You write about pecks and people usually think of a man. You write about breasts and people usually think of a woman.

[Dooom35796821595]

Can we please all keep our damn clothes on? I mean, we've invented those for a reason, you know.

True but it was Religion that made the body icky.

So the answer is to abolish all religion!

[Yorkvale]

Are people really ignoring the difference between breasts and pecks.....?

Are you literally unaware that women have pectoral muscles(Pecks).
Or are you ignoring that men can lactate?
Ignoring men can get breast cancer?

Read a fucking book.

I wasn't aware of the science behind it, however enlightening that may be. But the science isn't really what matters here. Its the appearance and cultural norm. As much as I hate to give into cultural norms, as the edgy individualistic entrepreneur I would like to be the very basic perception of boobs are incredibly sexualized. Which is all good for the playboy scene but not fitting for the public eye. I think the only exception should be for public artistry and women should have to get a license and be approved by the city for it.

[BK117B2]

Yes.

Control over a person's own body is as basic as rights get. The right to self-defense, right to choose what to ingest, right to choose how to clothes oneself, etc all stem from this.

No one has the authority to tell them that they cannot

[MERIZoC]

Yes. Men too. Everyone does.

[Deuxtete]

There are not profound differences, there are superficial visible differences.

Are you really going to split hairs when we're essentially coming to the same conclusion?

Encouraging someone to think men have pecks(what stupid fucking word) and women have breasts and that we don't in fact have almost entirely the same shit is what props up "female breasts are genitalia" arguments. I'm splitting hairs, I'm applying biology to refute false ideas.

Is it so hard to believe I would prefer you to both agree with me, and walk away better informed.
Maybe you didn't know that the guy claiming women didn't have pectoral muscles was comically incorrect.

[Cannot think of a name]

Its the appearance and cultural norm.

Subject to examination and change and certainly not a universal truth.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Are you literally unaware that women have pectoral muscles(Pecks).
Or are you ignoring that men can lactate?
Ignoring men can get breast cancer?

Read a fucking book.

I wasn't aware of the science behind it, however enlightening that may be. But the science isn't really what matters here. Its the appearance and cultural norm. As much as I hate to give into cultural norms, as the edgy individualistic entrepreneur I would like to be the very basic perception of boobs are incredibly sexualized. Which is all good for the playboy scene but not fitting for the public eye. I think the only exception should be for public artistry and women should have to get a license and be approved by the city for it.

Im sorry but getting a license to show the top part of your body is fucking stupid and so backward it hurts, sometimes social norms need to shredded like cabbage and changed, and the over-sexualisation of women's breasts (largely caused by Religion and conservative attitudes) and being all "hush hush not allowed to show because indecency" is one of them.

Just because its a social norm does not mean it has to stay that way for ever, social norms change constantly and they need to.

[The Serbian Empire]

Yeah, but I'm not going topless ever.

[Deuxtete]

Are you literally unaware that women have pectoral muscles(Pecks).
Or are you ignoring that men can lactate?
Ignoring men can get breast cancer?

Read a fucking book.

People aren't that literal. You write about pecks and people usually think of a man. You write about breasts and people usually think of a woman.

How stupid people are isn't my problem. I passed high biology and human anatomy over 25 years ago, what I'm saying isn't news. If people aren't that basically educated they should at least have courtesy to not presume to be intelligent enough to think they can suggest what behavior is acceptable for common society.

[Yorkvale]

I wasn't aware of the science behind it, however enlightening that may be. But the science isn't really what matters here. Its the appearance and cultural norm. As much as I hate to give into cultural norms, as the edgy individualistic entrepreneur I would like to be the very basic perception of boobs are incredibly sexualized. Which is all good for the playboy scene but not fitting for the public eye. I think the only exception should be for public artistry and women should have to get a license and be approved by the city for it.

Im sorry but getting a license to show the top part of your body is fucking stupid and so backward it hurts, sometimes social norms need to shredded like cabbage and changed, and the over-sexualisation of women's breasts (largely caused by Religion and conservative attitudes) and being all "hush hush not allowed to show because indecency" is one of them.

Just because its a social norm does not mean it has to stay that way for ever, social norms change constantly and they need to.

Er, it's more than the top part of their bodies and using your logic public nudity should be legal too no?

After all clothing is just another societal norm.

Society is all we know, and the vast majority of the law is suited to the demographic of the population. Boobs have sexual connotations according to the VAST majority of men AND women. It would make people uncomfortable and overly sexually charged in a public environment and so I'm against it. You don't have to be a ultra conservative wait till marriage christian to understand this.

Boobs were overly sexualized before christianity, so that's also a BS move to put on religion.

[Cannot think of a name]

Are you really going to split hairs when we're essentially coming to the same conclusion?

Encouraging someone to think men have pecks(what stupid fucking word) and women have breasts and that we don't in fact have almost entirely the same shit is what props up "female breasts are genitalia" arguments. I'm splitting hairs, I'm applying biology to refute false ideas.

Is it so hard to believe I would prefer you to both agree with me, and walk away better informed.
Maybe you didn't know that the guy claiming women didn't have pectoral muscles was comically incorrect.

Sigh.

Pecks and breasts are different, as you point out both women and men have pecks or 'pectoral muscles' while the mammary is a gland and the fatty tissue that accompany them are colloquially referred to as breasts and therefore are distinctly not muscle tissue making the difference between them, in a word, profound. While both men and women have all these things usually women's mammary glands are more pronounced and 'developed' after puberty.

Woo. Look. We made a semantic argument. Wasn't this super productive. I'm so glad we went down this dumbass road.

[Yorkvale]

People aren't that literal. You write about pecks and people usually think of a man. You write about breasts and people usually think of a woman.

How stupid people are isn't my problem. I passed high biology and human anatomy over 25 years ago, what I'm saying isn't news. If people aren't that basically educated they should at least have courtesy to not presume to be intelligent enough to think they can suggest what behavior is acceptable for common society.

Pfft, bullshit. Sorry, the vast majority of Americans don't give a fuck about science and are not in scientifically organized roles and do not have the need to care about science things in general. Stop being so snobby and elitist about memorizing some passage from a textbook somewhere that no one cares about

[Deuxtete]

I wasn't aware of the science behind it, however enlightening that may be. But the science isn't really what matters here. Its the appearance and cultural norm. As much as I hate to give into cultural norms, as the edgy individualistic entrepreneur I would like to be the very basic perception of boobs are incredibly sexualized. Which is all good for the playboy scene but not fitting for the public eye. I think the only exception should be for public artistry and women should have to get a license and be approved by the city for it.

Im sorry but getting a license to show the top part of your body is fucking stupid and so backward it hurts, sometimes social norms need to shredded like cabbage and changed, and the over-sexualisation of women's breasts (largely caused by Religion and conservative attitudes) and being all "hush hush not allowed to show because indecency" is one of them.

Just because its a social norm does not mean it has to stay that way for ever, social norms change constantly and they need to.

Slavery was a social norm, Jim crow, legally being allowed to beat your wife, fucking duels used to be socially acceptable norms, educated men believed in the ether for fuck sakes...

You are dead right they need to change, they should evolve with society.

[Nikolausstadt]

Sure, just expect to get hit by me as I would hit a man (equality in everything, darlings) if you start rubbing that fact in my face or do inappropriate things like a man could do with his junk (not meaning rape).

[Internationalist Bastard]

I don't think men should have that right.