Astounding Immorality of Islam: Allah's "Rewards" in Heaven

[Waideland]

For people that don't agree with public executions, slavery, rape, and torture...yes.

And yet those kinds of things occur in non-Islamic states too.

It's almost like horrific violence isn't relegated to a particular demographic or something.

Yeah, but they actually pretend not to do those things in fascist places like the DPRK. They don't broadcast it on TV with the countries leaders smiling and proclaiming it to be the will of Allah.

[New Grestin]

And yet those kinds of things occur in non-Islamic states too.

It's almost like horrific violence isn't relegated to a particular demographic or something.

Yeah, but they actually pretend not to do those things in fascist places like the DPRK. They don't broadcast it on TV with the countries leaders smiling and proclaiming it to be the will of Allah.

Your point?

Islam is just the newest thing in a long line of scapegoats. Last time we did this song and dance, it was with the Russians and Communism. Now it's rampant Islamaphobia and astoundingly moronic ignorance about a large, diverse religion.

Violence, especially that of the religious nature, is nothing new. Catholicism, for example, has caused a massive amount of violence in the past. Secular states have caused atrocities as well.

To say that Islam is uniquely violent is absurd. It has it's extremists, of course, but it also has just as many moderates and liberals. Not everyone adheres strictly to concepts like Sharia Law or super-conservative Muslim values, in case you weren't aware.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

f,j89

[Risottia]

Well, I'm currently checking out how much would making those t-shirts cost me... Wonder if Max would want royalties on them though.

You don't have to follow through with that, at all. Do you even know how to politician?

Actually I do, but not in Australia, which is where Max lives, iirc.

[The Archregimancy]

More worrying is how normalised it's become. Very sad indeed.

Just a matter of time before a European country actually sends Muslims to internment camps.

<Ahem>

Been there, done that, bought the blood-spattered t-shirt; and not that long ago, either. See also this; and this; and this; and this; and this; and - just to demonstrate it wasn't all on the Serb side - this.

And never mind 'just' rounding them up in internment camps; we happy, civilised Europeans - or at least a specific subset of civilised Europeans - also fairly recently perpetrated this.

[Imperializt Russia]

Just a matter of time before a European country actually sends Muslims to internment camps.

<Ahem>

Been there, done that, bought the blood-spattered t-shirt; and not that long ago, either. See also this; and this; and this; and this; and this; and - just to demonstrate it wasn't all on the Serb side - this.

And never mind 'just' rounding them up in internment camps; we happy, civilised Europeans - or at least a specific subset of civilised Europeans - also perpetrated this.

The Yugoslav wars I suspect are being omitted intentionally here, since those were substantial pre-existing ethnic tensions.

Gauthier et al are referring to a country today in western Europe, without substantial tensions, going American and imprisoning darkies because we're at war with them.

[The Archregimancy]

Gauthier et al are referring to a country today in western Europe, without substantial tensions, going American and imprisoning darkies because we're at war with them.

No criticism of Gauthier was even remotely implied; and he's also more than capable of clarifying on his own behalf rather than having other people speculate on what he might have meant.

[New Grestin]

NSG is Islamophobic. And its perfectly acceptable.

Agh. You were doing so well with that speech and then you had to include this tidbit, which is really the only part I take issue with.

Not everyone on NSG is a frothy mouthed Islamaphobe. I'd like to think myself, as well as several others, are a testament to that.

[Socialist Federative Slavia]

Ibn Warraq, a famous pro-secular, ex-Muslim author,once described the Islamic "heaven" (jannah) as a cosmic brothel full of women for the exclusive use of "pious" men. I thought he was exaggerating at first, but after being exposed to Islamic scriptures (the Quran and the hadiths), it seems that this is actually a fairly accurate portrayal of what the Islamic "God" offers its believers.


Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them. And there are two gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of silver; and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of so-and-so (i.e. gold) and nothing will prevent the people staying in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face."

Link: http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_6_60.php


Allah promises to give his devout believers the women with the "most desirable vaginas" as well as eternal erections for the "pious" men. He also says that all unbeliever women in hell will be available for sexual usage by "pious" Muslim men:

Abu ‘Umama reported that Allah’s Messenger (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) said: "There is no one whom Allah will admit to Paradise but Allah will marry him to seventy-two wives, two from houris and seventy from his inheritance from the people of Hell, all of whom will have desirable front passages (vaginas) and he will have a male member that never becomes flaccid (i.e., soft and limp)."

Link: http://sunnah.com/urn/1294400


Quran 55:56 mentions virgins in paradise, for the use of men. Allah ensures that his "rewards" for the faithful are untouched by man or jinni:

"In them [celestial gardens] are women limiting [their] glances, untouched before them by man or jinni - "

Link: http://quran.com/55


Muhammad is quite explicit in describing the "celestial rewards" that Allah promises the faithful.

The Prophet said: “A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings."

Link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/4851927/Qualities-and-Attributes-of-Hoors-Hoor-al-ayn-Houris-of-Jannah-Paradise#scribd


It is clear that these celestial "women" are nothing more than semen receptacles for the use of "pious" men. Muhammad himself states these beings do not undergo menstruation or menopause as real women do, nor do they urinate, defecate, bear children, or indeed, seem to have any purpose in existing except to satisfy the sexual fantasies of "pious" Muslim men. They are nothing more than sex objects for the exclusive use of Muslim men.


However, what I am interested in is what the Muslim women get in paradise. Muhammad seems to relish describing in detail the celestial rewards that his male followers will receive, but what will Muslim women get?

I think it says more about what the men Muhammad was talking to were like than about Muhammad`s views on women. I mean if you want to get misogynistic men to be nice to women, or to just behave better in general, you have to give them some kind of motivation.

[Imperializt Russia]

NSG is Islamophobic. And its perfectly acceptable.

Agh. You were doing so well with that speech and then you had to include this tidbit, which is really the only part I take issue with.

Not everyone on NSG is a frothy mouthed Islamaphobe. I'd like to think myself, as well as several others, are a testament to that.

NSG has a weird haven of Islamopohobes.
They're very shouty but definitely minority.

[New Grestin]

Agh. You were doing so well with that speech and then you had to include this tidbit, which is really the only part I take issue with.

Not everyone on NSG is a frothy mouthed Islamaphobe. I'd like to think myself, as well as several others, are a testament to that.

NSG has a weird haven of Islamopohobes.
They're very shouty but definitely minority.

I know, right?

It seems like no matter where you go, there's some dipshit cutting themselves on their own intolerant edginess.

I mean, that rings true on pretty much all subjects, but Islam seems to attract the worst kind of bigots.

[Imperializt Russia]

NSG has a weird haven of Islamopohobes.
They're very shouty but definitely minority.

I know, right?

It seems like no matter where you go, there's some dipshit cutting themselves on their own intolerant edginess.

I mean, that rings true on pretty much all subjects, but Islam seems to attract the worst kind of bigots.

It's the remaining acceptable form of racism short of people who are just unashamedly racist towards blacks.

[New Grestin]

I know, right?

It seems like no matter where you go, there's some dipshit cutting themselves on their own intolerant edginess.

I mean, that rings true on pretty much all subjects, but Islam seems to attract the worst kind of bigots.

It's the remaining acceptable form of racism short of people who are just unashamedly racist towards blacks.

I'm kinda shocked overt racism is acceptable anywhere anymore, at least in the western world.

Obviously the War in the Middle East and 9/11, which nobody in America seems capable of moving the fuck on from, play a role, but it just seems odd that we had a whole period in our history about dealing with racism, only to turn around and do it all over again.

The hypocrisy would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

[Constantinopolis]

The biggest, most glaring problem with the "waah waah Islam is so terrible the Quran is full of horrible things" crowd - the thing they never want to talk about - is precisely what they are proposing that we DO about the fact that Islam is supposedly terrible.

Because, as it turns out, what they really want us to do is to deny basic rights to Muslims - and usually not just Muslims but in fact all people from majority-Muslim countries, regardless of their individual beliefs.

That's why Islamophobia is racism: because, despite all the rhetoric about criticizing a religion, when it comes down to practical policies, what Islamophobes want to actually DO about it is to discriminate against certain ethnic groups.

[Herskerstad]

The biggest, most glaring problem with the "waah waah Islam is so terrible the Quran is full of horrible things" crowd - the thing they never want to talk about - is precisely what they are proposing that we DO about the fact that Islam is supposedly terrible.

Because, as it turns out, what they really want us to do is to deny basic rights to Muslims - and usually not just Muslims but in fact all people from majority-Muslim countries, regardless of their individual beliefs.

That's why Islamophobia is racism: because, despite all the rhetoric about criticizing a religion, when it comes down to practical policies, what Islamophobes want to actually DO about it is to discriminate against certain ethnic groups.

Islamophobia is a term that can exist for some, again, if some nobody up in North Dakota would attack a random Hindu temple believing them to be Muslim then you'd have a pretty ironclad case of it, but you can't extend the same brush to say atheists who are objectively critical of religion, or people who'd actually have a damn good reason to fear Islam like apostates. The biggest problem is multiculturalism, and no, not that there exist immigraiton from regions like Africa, but generally speaking the naturalization policies are weak and there is absolutely no sense of assimilation going on, meaning that with that and the housing market Ghetto's frequently are formed which tends to have a much less than ideal adaptation into society.

Sure, paint the actual racists all day long, but try to make the brush fit the wall.

[Gauthier]

NSG has a weird haven of Islamopohobes.
They're very shouty but definitely minority.

I know, right?

It seems like no matter where you go, there's some dipshit cutting themselves on their own intolerant edginess.

I mean, that rings true on pretty much all subjects, but Islam seems to attract the worst kind of bigots.

Feminism is catching up strong at Number Two for NSG's Two Minute Hate popchart weekly.

God have mercy on the poor bastard who makes a topic about a Muslim Feminist.

[New Grestin]

I know, right?

It seems like no matter where you go, there's some dipshit cutting themselves on their own intolerant edginess.

I mean, that rings true on pretty much all subjects, but Islam seems to attract the worst kind of bigots.

Feminism is catching up strong at Number Two for NSG's Two Minute Hate popchart weekly.

God have mercy on the poor bastard who makes a topic about a Muslim Feminist.

I saved two bullets. One for myself, and one for my cat, for the day that time arrives.

Idiots can sense heat and motion, so the only solution is to be dead already.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

hd348

[Imperializt Russia]

There are about a hundred thousand forum-using accounts IIRC and most polls will rarely get a couple hundred respondents.
It's not representative.

All NSG threads I post in are what comes in the "Latest Forum Topics" bar at the left of the page.
And yet, it's responsible for 58% of this nation's posts.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

c84n

[Imperializt Russia]

There are about a hundred thousand forum-using accounts IIRC and most polls will rarely get a couple hundred respondents.
It's not representative.

All NSG threads I post in are what comes in the "Latest Forum Topics" bar at the left of the page.
And yet, it's responsible for 58% of this nation's posts.

So is NSG then not a breeding ground for Islamophobia?

No, I tried explaining this. There are a handful of loud Islamophobes, there are a bunch of people who buy into the mainstream media narrative of "darkies bad" and that's it.

Because they're noisy, they sound like they're many. But they're not.
I mean hell, NSG used to be lambasted (and still is) as "leftist". Islamophobia isn't a traditionally "leftist" stance.

[Padellian]

Islamophobia won't go away quietly in America. At least that's what I think, as long as you have the media spotlighting Muslim extremist groups in Africa and the M.E. It really does not give Islam the best image when you see radical militias fighting all over the M.E., a woman being stoned to death for "destroying a Koran, ISIS executing people by throwing them off buildings, burning them alive, beheadings, etc. destroying ancient ruins and artifacts because they are "blasphemous", the whole ALLAHU ACKBAR (or however it's spelled), then boom. If the media instead focused the Muslims condemning these acts and the moderates and progressives of Islam came forward and showed the brighter side of the religion, I don't think Islamophobia would be nearly as bad. However the truth of the matter is when most Americans don't see this happening and have limited perception of Islam based on what the media shows then it's understandable as to why people can harbor fear or hatred towards Muslims. Charlie Hebdo sure as hell didn't help Islam's case at all when it comes to this image.

[The Alma Mater]

I know, right?

It seems like no matter where you go, there's some dipshit cutting themselves on their own intolerant edginess.

I mean, that rings true on pretty much all subjects, but Islam seems to attract the worst kind of bigots.

Feminism is catching up strong at Number Two for NSG's Two Minute Hate popchart weekly.

God have mercy on the poor bastard who makes a topic about a Muslim Feminist.

Is that not this topic ?

[The Black Forrest]

Just about every thread on Islam here on NSG is centered around attacking it in relation to it being barbaric or more violent that other religions or inherently evil, no one wants to see both sides of the argument to come to a balanced new perspective, instead they want to push forward their semi-researched singular ignorant views biased against Islam because the religion is indeed the new socially acceptable scapegoat of our era.

Well? Scapegoat implies they are unjustly blamed. There are many things to help with claim of being violent. Al-Q, the Taliban, Islamic Jihaad, ISIS, whatever follows. As to barbaric? Well? the headcutting, stoning, blowing monuments and history, etc. doesn't help.

*snip*

What is the route of terrorism? Its a resistance against Western modernity spreading into the East. What do leaders of this resistance do to recruit soldiers willing to die for their cause? They use the Quran, because religion does have the power to manipulate its followers. Who do we blame - the terrorist leaders twisting the meaning of the scripture to get their own way - no, we end up blaming the scripture itself, refusing to believe that the majority of Muslims follow a more peaceful interpretation of the verses and condemn the barbarism showcased by the extremists.

Well it doesn't help the effort when reading about all the once peaceful people flowing over to isis. It doesn't help to read about willing to shoot up a train over such views. People are funny that way.

I remember debating one rather devout follower from Kashmir. I raised some questionable things and he went to the "well other religions" it went on and on to the point I was waiting for him to take a swing. His body language did suggest attack. He didn't.

There were other Muslims at my company and the Middle East once came up (I was back from a Business trip to Israel. The debate was not as heated but one thing I noticed in most comments about "That is bad" Almost all ended with a But and a justification for the wrong acts.

People are complicated especially when it comes to Religion.

But no - society cannot bring itself to think, they just want to instantly blame one prime singular source for all their troubles:

Welcome to human experience.

the Quran, rejecting the notion that the truth is far more complex, rejecting the countless different sects of Islam and their diverse range of interpretations of the Quran. When the Quran can be read and interpreted in so many different ways, it will have a very different range of adherents with differing ideologies - yet the only reason this thread focuses on demeaning Islam and the Quran is because society has grown hate certain specific groups like al-Qaeda, the Taliban and ISIL and we want to think that the main problem lies not with the people using religion as a political tool, but the religion itself.

Criticism of bullshit actions is fine. The fact bullshit calls on Religion as justification is even more reason to call it bullshit.

NSG is Islamophobic. And its perfectly acceptable.

Is ignoring or tacitly accepting the faults of your Religion acceptable?

[The Black Forrest]

There are about a hundred thousand forum-using accounts IIRC and most polls will rarely get a couple hundred respondents.
It's not representative.

All NSG threads I post in are what comes in the "Latest Forum Topics" bar at the left of the page.
And yet, it's responsible for 58% of this nation's posts.

So is NSG then not a breeding ground for Islamophobia?

Nope. People tend to come here with their baggage.