North Korea Megathread

[Blakullar]

It's just another bicker-fest between the Koreas. This happens almost every year and it's likely to happen again at some point. Fretting about it is likely to give the North zeal, when in actuality Kim Jong-un would probably be very quickly thrown out of power, either by the Yanks or his own generals, if he seriously entertained the idea of reigniting total war with the South.

[Doppler]

ground troops barley do anything now a days. (i shouldnt say barely) but the us has the largest airforce and navy in the world, a couple of F-18, B-2S, Cobras should do the trick and knock out a couple 400-600k north koreans.

[Washington Resistance Army]

ground troops barley do anything now a days. (i shouldnt say barely) but the us has the largest airforce and navy in the world, a couple of F-18, B-2S, Cobras should do the trick and knock out a couple 400-600k north koreans.

Until they get downed by the S-300 copies North Korea has.

[Imperializt Russia]

ground troops barley do anything now a days. (i shouldnt say barely) but the us has the largest airforce and navy in the world, a couple of F-18, B-2S, Cobras should do the trick and knock out a couple 400-600k north koreans.

While air and artillery combined (predominantly artillery) have always delivered the greatest proportion of combat casualties (50-60% casualties from artillery, 70% in WWI, air and artillery combined in the nineties was predicted to reach 80-90%), without the ground forces to make gains on these enemy losses, that power is utterly meaningless.

[Doppler]

ground troops barley do anything now a days. (i shouldnt say barely) but the us has the largest airforce and navy in the world, a couple of F-18, B-2S, Cobras should do the trick and knock out a couple 400-600k north koreans.

Until they get downed by the S-300 copies North Korea has.

thats why we have flares X)

[Imperializt Russia]

Until they get downed by the S-300 copies North Korea has.

thats why we have flares X)

Flares are entirely ineffective against radar-directed air defences. Flares are also relatively ineffective against modern IR-seeking missiles.

[Ulomia]

Why does the DPRK threaten the south then they don't even do anything.

[Zeinbrad]

Until they get downed by the S-300 copies North Korea has.

thats why we have flares X)

Countermeasures don't have a 100% success rate.

[Imperializt Russia]

Why does the DPRK threaten the south then they don't even do anything.

Because the North sees the South and its backers as a threat to its existence and ideology?
The reason tensions exist between any countries ever?

[Zeinbrad]

Why does the DPRK threaten the south then they don't even do anything.

Because the North sees the South and its backers as a threat to its existence and ideology?
The reason tensions exist between any countries ever?

Also, didn't South Korea begin turning those loudspeakers on again? Because of some North Korean Soldiers planting land mines on the South Korean side?

[Napkiraly]

thats why we have flares X)

Flares are entirely ineffective against radar-directed air defences. Flares are also relatively ineffective against modern IR-seeking missiles.

That's why we need to start using moar flares!

[The balkens]

Flares are entirely ineffective against radar-directed air defences. Flares are also relatively ineffective against modern IR-seeking missiles.

That's why we need to start using moar flares!

Its either that or ECM jamming or some other wacky electronic bullshit.

[Zeinbrad]

Flares are entirely ineffective against radar-directed air defences. Flares are also relatively ineffective against modern IR-seeking missiles.

That's why we need to start using moar flares!

"Sir, if we put anymore flares this fighter will just be a glorified party tool"

[Imperializt Russia]

Because the North sees the South and its backers as a threat to its existence and ideology?
The reason tensions exist between any countries ever?

Also, didn't South Korea begin turning those loudspeakers on again? Because of some North Korean Soldiers planting land mines on the South Korean side?

Yes, though one would have assumed this wasn't worthy of an artillery rocket attack.

That's why we need to start using moar flares!

"Sir, if we put anymore flares this fighter will just be a glorified party tool"

"And?"

[The balkens]

Also, didn't South Korea begin turning those loudspeakers on again? Because of some North Korean Soldiers planting land mines on the South Korean side?

Yes, though one would have assumed this wasn't worthy of an artillery rocket attack.

"Sir, if we put anymore flares this fighter will just be a glorified party tool"

"And?"

"My backseater is having a seizure and jettisoned all the damned weapons. We are Winchester."

[Socialist Tera]

Here is what North Korea is saying about the incident:

Pyongyang, August 20 (KCNA) -- The Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army issued the following urgent report on Thursday:
War maniacs of the south Korean puppet military made another grave provocation to the DPRK in the central western sector of the front on Thursday afternoon. They perpetrated such reckless action as firing 36 shells at KPA civil police posts under the absurd pretext that the KPA fired one shell at the south side. Six shells of them hit the area near KPA civil police posts 542 and 543 and other 15 shells fell near KPA civil police posts 250 and 251.
There was no victim of the shelling provocation. However, this reckless shelling on the DPRK's military posts, its inviolable territory is a serious military provocation that can never be pardoned.
Gravity of the situation is that the south Korean puppet military didn't hesitate to make such provocation though it has not yet confirmed where a shell allegedly fired by the KPA came from and where it fell in its side, unaware of whether it was an AA gun shell or a bullet or a rocket or not.
Shortly ago, the puppet war maniacs resumed the broadcasting for psychological warfare in all sectors of the front under the pretext of a doubtful mine explosion case. Today they fired shells en masse toward the territory of the DPRK without scientific grounds. All of them are prompted by insanity of the south Korean military war maniacs for provocation.
In view of the prevailing crucial situation, an emergency enlarged meeting of the Central Military Commission of the Workers' Party of Korea will be convened at Thursday night. We are now sharply following the south Korean puppet Defense Ministry's attitude toward the ultimatum of the KPA General Staff which declared that a strong military action would be launched unless they stop the broadcasting for anti-DPRK psychological warfare and dismantle all means of psychological warfare within 48 hours Foolhardy provocation deserves harsh punishment.
The south Korean military war maniacs should behave with discretion, well aware of the retaliatory spirit running high among the angry servicepersons of the KPA frontline combined units.

Pyongyang, August 21 (KCNA) -- The situation of the country is now inching close to the brink of a war due to the continued anti-DPRK political and military provocations by the U.S. imperialists and the south Korean puppet forces.
The broadcasting for anti-DPRK psychological warfare, resumed by the south Korean puppet military gangsters in all sectors of the front under the pretext of doubtful "mine explosion" case which occurred in the demilitarized zone of the western sector of the front on August 4, is still going on day and night. And the leaflet-scattering operation against the DPRK, kicked off with mobilization of die-hard reactionary organizations, has gone beyond a tolerance limit.
Psychological warfare against the DPRK is, in essence, an open act of war against it.
In this regard, the General Staff of the Korean People's Army on August 20 sent an ultimatum to the south Korean puppet Ministry of Defense that a strong military action would be launched at once unless it stops the anti-DPRK broadcasting for psychological warfare and removes all psywar means within 48 hours.
Nevertheless, the south Korean puppet military gangsters getting frantic in provoking the DPRK again invented a case of "shell fired by the north" in the afternoon of August 20, Juche 104 (2015) and, under that pretext, fired dozens of shells on the DPRK's inviolable territory, a reckless military action.
Such reckless political and military provocations on the part of the south Korean puppet military gangsters are driving the country to a war crisis.
Under the prevailing grave situation, an emergency enlarged meeting of the Central Military Commission of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) was convened at night of August 20.
The meeting was presided by Kim Jong Un, first secretary of the WPK, chairman of the WPK Central Military Commission, first chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission and supreme commander of the KPA.
Present there were members of the WPK Central Military Commission, operations commanding officers of the KPA General Staff, commanders of the KPA frontline large combined units, senior officials of the state security and people's security organs, leading officials of the WPK Central Committee and officials in charge of external affairs.
The meeting heard a report of the General Reconnaissance Bureau of the General Staff of the KPA on how the enemies committed the military provocation in the central western sectors of the front in the afternoon of Thursday, its truth and their general movements. It examined the preparations for launching operations of the frontline large combined units of the KPA as of 23:00 on Thursday and discussed a plan for the political and military counteractions to foil the enemies' moves for war. The meeting also examined and ratified the offensive operation plan of the KPA Front Command to launch retaliatory strike and counterattack on the whole length of front all at once under an unavoidable situation.
And the Central Military Commission of the WPK approved the decision of the KPA General Staff in which it sent to the south Korean puppet Ministry of Defense an ultimatum on 17:00 on Thursday that the KPA would launch a strong military action unless it stops psychological broadcasting towards the north and dismantle all means for psychological warfare within 48 hours.
At the emergency enlarged meeting of the Central Military Commission of the WPK, Kim Jong Un issued an order of the supreme commander of the Korean People's Army that the frontline large combined units of the KPA should enter a wartime state to be fully battle ready to launch surprise operations and the area along the front be put in a semi-war state from 17:00 on Friday.
Commanders were appointed and dispatched to the relevant sectors of the front to command military actions in the areas to destroy means for psychological warfare unless the enemies stop the psychological broadcasting within 48 hours and put down their possible counter-actions.
The meeting discussed the measures to convert the party and power bodies, working people's organizations, state security, people's security and judicial and prosecution organs, factories, enterprises, cooperative farms and other units in the relevant areas into the semi-war system as the semi-war state has been declared in the area along the front.
It also set forth the duties and tasks of officials in charge of external affairs to fully lay bare the truth about the prevailing situation caused by the enemies' undisguised and surprise aggression

[Rio Cana]

Okay, so Seoul is threatened, but not much else. Despite what North Korean propaganda says, America is not endangered at all. South Korea and maybe Japan are all who have to worry. Long range capability is irrelevant.

Do not worry, the South Koreans have been moving a large part of there government offices South to a so called new Capital named Sejong City. So now they have two capital cities. Already 37 government administrative departments with its 13000 civil servants have been moved there. That new administrative building is 3.5 km. long. (building was not built in a straight line). Its 120 KM. (75 miles) South of Seoul. Seoul is about 48 KM.(30 miles) South of the DMZ. Sejong City would be 158 KM. (105 miles) from the DMZ.

Video of SK. new 2nd. Capital - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NA1aAUjyw



Edit - Found a more up to date video on the new Capital - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UADLiQok2jE

[Imperializt Russia]

Okay, so Seoul is threatened, but not much else. Despite what North Korean propaganda says, America is not endangered at all. South Korea and maybe Japan are all who have to worry. Long range capability is irrelevant.

Do not worry, the South Koreans have been moving a large part of there government offices South to a so called new Capital named Sejong City. So now they have two capital cities. Already 37 government administrative departments with its 13000 civil servants have been moved there. That new administrative building is 3.5 km. long. (building was not built in a straight line). Its 120 KM. (75 miles) South of Seoul. Seoul is about 48 KM.(30 miles) South of the DMZ. Sejong City would be 158 KM. (105 miles) from the DMZ.

Video of SK. new 2nd. Capital - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NA1aAUjyw

I'm sure the Norks will therefore feel less bad about seizing what they feel to be their rightful capital city, knowing the South has already prepared a place to capitulate.

[Dooom35796821595]

That's why we need to start using moar flares!

"Sir, if we put anymore flares this fighter will just be a glorified party tool"

All we need now is for the com system to play ACDC Songs.

[Rio Cana]

Do not worry, the South Koreans have been moving a large part of there government offices South to a so called new Capital named Sejong City. So now they have two capital cities. Already 37 government administrative departments with its 13000 civil servants have been moved there. That new administrative building is 3.5 km. long. (building was not built in a straight line). Its 120 KM. (75 miles) South of Seoul. Seoul is about 48 KM.(30 miles) South of the DMZ. Sejong City would be 158 KM. (105 miles) from the DMZ.

Video of SK. new 2nd. Capital - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7NA1aAUjyw

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I'm sure the Norks will therefore feel less bad about seizing what they feel to be their rightful capital city, knowing the South has already prepared a place to capitulate.

I do not think NK. considers Seoul the rightful capital.

Pyongyang has been a capital city for centuries longer then Seoul .

This on Pyongyang -

The city has been the capital of Ancient Korea for nearly 3000 years as the center of Taedonggang Civilization, which is representative of ancient civilization flourished 5000 years ago, and also of Koguryo from 427 till 668. During the period of Koryo Dynasty it was designated as the secondary capital, and continued to be the major city in the northwestern part of the Korean peninsula during the Li Dynasty as well..

This on Seoul's history -

Situated on the Han River, Seoul's history stretches back more than two thousand years when it was founded in 18 BCE by Baekje, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea. It continued as the capital of Korea under the Joseon Dynasty

[Imperializt Russia]

Hue is the ancient city of Vietnam, London was not always the English capital...
IIRC when the Koreas were divided, Pyongyang was (according to rhetoric) established as a temporary capital until unification allowed the North to retake the "rightful" capital Seoul.

I don't claim to be a historian or expert on EA culture, but if I had to pick between the ancient capital and the Joseon capital as the more symbolic, I'd pick the Joseon.

[Rusozak]

I saw an explanation as to why this time it's a little more serious. It's the first exchange of fire followed by a threat of war made under Kim Jon Un. Unlike his predecessors, Kim Jong Un is unpredictable, unstable, and self conscious about his image to his own people (more the higher ups that actually know the truth, not the brainwashed civilians). Kim Jong Un might actually want war, but do his subordinates? Propaganda says North Korea is powerful and unstoppable, but the generals know they can't win against a full scale American-South Korean retaliation. I think they'd rather stage a coup and have Kim executed than wage a suicide war.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I saw an explanation as to why this time it's a little more serious. It's the first exchange of fire followed by a threat of war made under Kim Jon Un. Unlike his predecessors, Kim Jong Un is unpredictable, unstable, and self conscious about his image to his own people (more the higher ups that actually know the truth, not the brainwashed civilians). Kim Jong Un might actually want war, but do his subordinates? Propaganda says North Korea is powerful and unstoppable, but the generals know they can't win against a full scale American-South Korean retaliation. I think they'd rather stage a coup and have Kim executed than wage a suicide war.

Staging a coup would be very, very hard.

[Socialist Tera]

I saw an explanation as to why this time it's a little more serious. It's the first exchange of fire followed by a threat of war made under Kim Jon Un. Unlike his predecessors, Kim Jong Un is unpredictable, unstable, and self conscious about his image to his own people (more the higher ups that actually know the truth, not the brainwashed civilians). Kim Jong Un might actually want war, but do his subordinates? Propaganda says North Korea is powerful and unstoppable, but the generals know they can't win against a full scale American-South Korean retaliation. I think they'd rather stage a coup and have Kim executed than wage a suicide war.

Kim's position is very secure.

[Napkiraly]

Man those NK response transcripts are priceless.