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Postby Zeinbrad » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:41 pm

Luziyca wrote:
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You have a tendency to say this when a racial crime occurs. Just about every time you do this, the offenders don't get off scot free. We may have piss poor race relations in our nation, but we sure as hell aren't an apartheid state.

I am skeptical that they will get their just desserts. Which in this case is several years behind bars for hate crimes.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:45 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Because your conclusion is based on a false premise.

Still no argument for it.

The argument for it is that certain groups, blacks, homosexuals, others, have historically been subject to many, many more of these crimes. When it can be shown that they were targeted because they were black or gay, extra penalties apply, and should. It's not discrimination.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:47 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I am skeptical that they will get their just desserts. Which in this case is several years behind bars for hate crimes.

Nothing good happens to a cynic.

I am not a cynic, I am a realist.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:48 pm

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Zeinbrad wrote:Nothing good happens to a cynic.

I am not a cynic, I am a realist.

Well, since they've already been arrested and charged with multiple felonies, I'm sure that they'll realistically find their way to prison.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:54 pm

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Luziyca wrote:I am not a cynic, I am a realist.

Well, since they've already been arrested and charged with multiple felonies, I'm sure that they'll realistically find their way to prison.

Or a mental institution.
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:56 pm

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Keyboard Warriors wrote:Well, since they've already been arrested and charged with multiple felonies, I'm sure that they'll realistically find their way to prison.

Or a mental institution.

Or neither if the prosecutor is as incompetent as the one who did the Zimmerman case.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:56 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:Well, since they've already been arrested and charged with multiple felonies, I'm sure that they'll realistically find their way to prison.

Or a mental institution.


Why and how the hell would they end up in a mental institution?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:56 pm

The Princes of the Universe wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Or a mental institution.

Or neither if the prosecutor is as incompetent as the one who did the Zimmerman case.


The evidence was pretty firmly on Zimmerman's side, might want to find a better case.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:08 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:Well, since they've already been arrested and charged with multiple felonies, I'm sure that they'll realistically find their way to prison.

Or a mental institution.


I know that it seems insane to look to Donald Trump for inspiration, but it's not an actual sign of mental illness.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:02 pm

People are disgusting.

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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:12 pm

Othelos wrote:People are disgusting.

Hey. As a person, I am very offended.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:20 pm

The Cobalt Sky wrote:
Othelos wrote:People are disgusting.

Hey. As a person, I am very offended.

Well you should be, bruh.

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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:48 pm

Othelos wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:Hey. As a person, I am very offended.

Well you should be, bruh.

Lol u want 2 bro down, bruh?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:58 pm

I was going to just say "color me unsurprised," but then I saw Trump actually defended these xenophobic fucks.

Now, I'd lean more toward "sickened, disturbed, and really fucking angry."
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:59 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Nothing good happens to a cynic.

I am not a cynic, I am a realist.

They were caught for pretty severe assault charges, and they aren't cops, so I'm sure they'll do some sort of time.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:00 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I was going to just say "color me unsurprised," but then I saw Trump actually defended these xenophobic fucks.

Now, I'd lean more toward "sickened, disturbed, and really fucking angry."


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Postby Neo-Vinnland » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:01 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I'm putting this here instead of in the Republican nomination thread since it's a major story on its own, and the issues raised could cause that discussion to veer off-topic.

The impact of Donald Trump’s anti-immigrant broadsides appears to have veered dangerously far off the presidential campaign trail.

Police in Boston say that one of two brothers who allegedly beat a homeless Hispanic man cited Trump’s message on immigration as a motivation for their attack. “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” Scott Leader, 38, told officers, according to a police report cited by The Boston Globe.

Leader and his brother, Steve, were arrested and charged with multiple assault charges after police said they urinated on and then assaulted a 58-year-old homeless man they found sleeping outside a T-station as they walked home from a Red Sox game. They allegedly beat him with a metal pole, breaking his nose and causing other injuries. According to the Globe, Scott Leader told police it was OK to assault the man because he was Hispanic and homeless. Both men, who have extensive criminal records, pleaded not guilty and said the homeless man started the confrontation.

Officials in Boston immediately denounced the attack. But Trump, who has made no apology for suggesting some Mexican immigrants were “rapists” and calling for their mass deportation, appeared to brush off the incident when he was asked about it while campaigning Wednesday in New Hampshire. “I think that would be a shame,” he said, according to The Boston Herald, in reference to the report. He said he hadn’t heard about the incident but then defended his most ardent supporters as “passionate.”

I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate. They love this country. They want this country to be great again. But they are very passionate. I will say that.


The beating is awful. There's no denying that. However, what I find to be the most shocking element of this is Trump's response to this attack. Rather than express sorrow that his words were misconstrued or condemn the attack, he chose to dismiss it with a "Boys will be boys" style comment. I'm a free speech advocate, and I believe firmly that he's had a perfect right to say whatever he said. However, to casually disregard the fact that his words inspired such an ugly action, and to not even express horror at the attack or sympathy for the victim? That's beyond the pale. It's one thing to break convention when running for office, but it's another thing entirely to discard the basic tenets of human decency.

A few questions spring to mind: Is this going to tank his campaign, or will it simply encourage the id-focused among his followers? Does he realize how Goering-ish he sounds? Is there a risk of his reckless rhetoric leading to further attacks?


I love it. The people have had enough of this invasion and are starting to fight back.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I was going to just say "color me unsurprised," but then I saw Trump actually defended these xenophobic fucks.

Now, I'd lean more toward "sickened, disturbed, and really fucking angry."

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:03 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN PRUSS!

America will be great when we treat our homeless, downtrodden, impoverished, and discriminated against, as well as we do our celebrities.


Nonsense, China and Mexico will keep beating us if we do that. We need to build a wall dammit!
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:04 pm

Neo-Vinnland wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I'm putting this here instead of in the Republican nomination thread since it's a major story on its own, and the issues raised could cause that discussion to veer off-topic.



The beating is awful. There's no denying that. However, what I find to be the most shocking element of this is Trump's response to this attack. Rather than express sorrow that his words were misconstrued or condemn the attack, he chose to dismiss it with a "Boys will be boys" style comment. I'm a free speech advocate, and I believe firmly that he's had a perfect right to say whatever he said. However, to casually disregard the fact that his words inspired such an ugly action, and to not even express horror at the attack or sympathy for the victim? That's beyond the pale. It's one thing to break convention when running for office, but it's another thing entirely to discard the basic tenets of human decency.

A few questions spring to mind: Is this going to tank his campaign, or will it simply encourage the id-focused among his followers? Does he realize how Goering-ish he sounds? Is there a risk of his reckless rhetoric leading to further attacks?


I love it. The people have had enough of this invasion and are starting to fight back.


What invasion? Is the South rising again or something? :blink:
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:05 pm

Neo-Vinnland wrote:I love it. The people have had enough of this invasion and are starting to fight back.

Because that elderly, drowsy, homeless man was part of a fucking hostile invasion - simply because of his ethnicity. Is that what you're fucking saying right now? Really? You are here telling me that guy was a fucking threat - not only to these men, but to the country at large?
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:America will be great when we treat our homeless, downtrodden, impoverished, and discriminated against, as well as we do our celebrities.


Nonsense, China and Mexico will keep beating us if we do that. We need to build a wall dammit!

Yeah, a bigger one than the Chinese, specifically. They've had a strangle hold on that market for far too long.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:America will be great when we treat our homeless, downtrodden, impoverished, and discriminated against, as well as we do our celebrities.


Nonsense, China and Mexico will keep beating us if we do that. We need to build a wall dammit!


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