European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Geilinor]

You're probably an immigrant yourself.

Interesting assertion.

Laughably incorrect.
I mean, my picture is right there next to my name.
I'm whiter than your teeth. Probably not difficult, I'll admit.

I didn't know that was a picture of you.

[Rio Cana]

They were showing on the TV the Syrian main route to Germany. It goes from Greece to Macedonia to Serbia to Hungary to Austria and finally ends in Germany.

Map which shows it -
http://c.files.bbci.co.uk/32F6/producti ... ny_624.png

Chances are European gangsters are profiting by transporting these people North.

[Imperializt Russia]

Interesting assertion.

Laughably incorrect.
I mean, my picture is right there next to my name.
I'm whiter than your teeth. Probably not difficult, I'll admit.

I didn't know that was a picture of you.

And now you do.

[Seraven]

And how are poor refugees supposed to "build up" their countries?

I suggest working.

How is the nation going to ever improve if its healthy, young males all make a run for it?

I'm sorry to crush your dream, but it's too idealistic.

In no way of the current state of Africa that they can stay and build up. For starters, Africa is rife with civil war, warlordism, diseases, famines, many...many bad things happened.

Europeans have to get their shit together if they want to reduce the problem of migrant crisis, first by improving Africa to prevent more immigrants, including establishing and supporting legitimate government and stabilizing the region. Help from nations with influence over Africa is better as well, such as China, to help, although it means they will have to establish more influence to African nations.

[Teemant]

I suggest working.

How is the nation going to ever improve if its healthy, young males all make a run for it?

I'm sorry to crush your dream, but it's too idealistic.

In no way of the current state of Africa that they can stay and build up. For starters, Africa is rife with civil war, warlordism, diseases, famines, many...many bad things happened.

Europeans have to get their shit together if they want to reduce the problem of migrant crisis, first by improving Africa to prevent more immigrants, including establishing and supporting legitimate government and stabilizing the region. Help from nations with influence over Africa is better as well, such as China, to help, although it means they will have to establish more influence to African nations.

Europe can't even help itself right now.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm sorry to crush your dream, but it's too idealistic.

In no way of the current state of Africa that they can stay and build up. For starters, Africa is rife with civil war, warlordism, diseases, famines, many...many bad things happened.

Europeans have to get their shit together if they want to reduce the problem of migrant crisis, first by improving Africa to prevent more immigrants, including establishing and supporting legitimate government and stabilizing the region. Help from nations with influence over Africa is better as well, such as China, to help, although it means they will have to establish more influence to African nations.

Europe can't even help itself right now.

Europe and North America is home to about eighty percent of the world's wealth.

[Imperialisium]

Europe can't even help itself right now.

Europe and North America is home to about eighty percent of the world's wealth.

And that means nothing. Considering much of said wealth is in the hands of a few private persons and corporations.

[Bratislavskaya]

Europe and North America is home to about eighty percent of the world's wealth.

And that means nothing. Considering much of said wealth is in the hands of a few private persons and corporations.

And nothing stops the Governments of those nations raising taxes on said individuals and corporations, or if it wants too, outright seizing the money.

[Nikolausstadt]

And that means nothing. Considering much of said wealth is in the hands of a few private persons and corporations.

And nothing stops the Governments of those nations raising taxes on said individuals and corporations, or if it wants too, outright seizing the money.

Ehm, actually, unlike other areas of the world, Europe has a division of power. The state can't do that.

[Imperialisium]

And that means nothing. Considering much of said wealth is in the hands of a few private persons and corporations.

And nothing stops the Governments of those nations raising taxes on said individuals and corporations, or if it wants too, outright seizing the money.

Which it's unlikely they would due for political and economic reasons. Even if I agree with that corporations and the super rich get away with too much.

[Imperializt Russia]

And nothing stops the Governments of those nations raising taxes on said individuals and corporations, or if it wants too, outright seizing the money.

Ehm, actually, unlike other areas of the world, Europe has a division of power. The state can't do that.

It absolutely can.
It simply chooses not to.

[Nikolausstadt]

Ehm, actually, unlike other areas of the world, Europe has a division of power. The state can't do that.

It absolutely can.
It simply chooses not to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
One of the great institutions which makes us a civilized continent.

[Imperializt Russia]

It absolutely can.
It simply chooses not to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
One of the great institutions which makes us a civilized continent.

Fuck it. It's words to a page.

The state has the power and the force to do so if it so chooses to.

[Free Sahara]

It could be a great thing, if those people actually go to work. The cultures are very different, but they should adapt. However, I believe people, who come to Europe should be forced to work and live in the country they go to in the long term -- I want to see them as immigrants, not as asylum seekers, who take government benefits that are already too generously given left and right, and as an enrichment to the national job market. Therefore, newcomers shouldn't be allowed to go back to where they came from, and especially not with any government money.

[Vikipolis]

Europe can't even help itself right now.

Europe and North America is home to about eighty percent of the world's wealth.

Bullsh#t.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Another truck of migrants found in Austria today. They were at least found alive this time although some kids were taken to hospital.
Checks are to become more rigorous across Europe.

[Minoa]

Source: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/1 ... 00934.html

Note that Al Jazeera knows the plight of the refugees, given that the term “migrants” is awfully ambiguous and not reflective of the desperate situation on the ground.

I advise the OP to update the title to “Refugee and Migration Crisis in Europe” to reflect the situation in Eritrea, Syria, Libya and Iraq et al. Thanks in advance.

I made no mention of a classification of the intentions of the people attempting access into Europe through dubious means. I simply raise again the criminal acts behind a lot of the tragedies.
Christ, we've had a bigger debate over the terminology used to describe people, and tit for tat political sprattle over word choice, than we have had serious consideration on how to put an end to the traffickers.

I am a bit late to this debate, I do not remember if there was ever a debate over the thread title alone, despite checking via search.

[Rio Cana]

The German government has accepted to accept 800.000. So they should accept them in Turkey. From Turkey transport them to Germany.That would be the nice and orderly thing to do. The way things are now, it seems Germany has dragged some of the Balkan nations including Hungaria and Austria into there so called immigration problem. Not to mention the hardship this is causing the immigrants. Chances are most of those immigrants would not venture through those other European nations to get to Germany if the German government would accept them in Turkey and transport them accordingly.

I wonder if this affect the German Chancellor and or her political party in the next general elections

[Imperializt Russia]

The German government has accepted to accept 800.000. So they should accept them in Turkey. From Turkey transport them to Germany.That would be the nice and orderly thing to do. The way things are now, it seems Germany has dragged some of the Balkan nations including Hungaria and Austria into there so called immigration problem. Not to mention the hardship this is causing the immigrants. Chances are most of those immigrants would not venture through those other European nations to get to Germany if the German government would accept them in Turkey and transport them accordingly.

I wonder if this affect the German Chancellor and or her political party in the next general elections

No, Germany is accepting 800,000 applications in Germany, to Germany. It accepts substantially more than anyone else in the EU or futur-EU.

Turkey should be able to offload (through mutual agreement) their applicants to other countries. I assume Turkey's popularity, much like the Lebanon and Jordan, is due to its proximity. It's not that difficult to reach and I assume many of these people wish to eventually return to their country. It's just not acceptable to live in presently.

[Eol Sha]

The German government has accepted to accept 800.000. So they should accept them in Turkey. From Turkey transport them to Germany.That would be the nice and orderly thing to do. The way things are now, it seems Germany has dragged some of the Balkan nations including Hungaria and Austria into there so called immigration problem. Not to mention the hardship this is causing the immigrants. Chances are most of those immigrants would not venture through those other European nations to get to Germany if the German government would accept them in Turkey and transport them accordingly.

That sounds like a logistical nightmare. It wouldn't be like Dunkirk where you could use small fishing boats to ferry some of the immigrants. You'd have to go around Spain and then past the Netherlands before getting to a port of any real size in Germany.

[Rio Cana]

The German government has accepted to accept 800.000. So they should accept them in Turkey. From Turkey transport them to Germany.That would be the nice and orderly thing to do. The way things are now, it seems Germany has dragged some of the Balkan nations including Hungaria and Austria into there so called immigration problem. Not to mention the hardship this is causing the immigrants. Chances are most of those immigrants would not venture through those other European nations to get to Germany if the German government would accept them in Turkey and transport them accordingly.

That sounds like a logistical nightmare. It wouldn't be like Dunkirk where you could use small fishing boats to ferry some of the immigrants. You'd have to go around Spain and then past the Netherlands before getting to a port of any real size in Germany.

They can go to Germany from Turkey via rail.
See this rail map which shows it -
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 ... ay_466.gif

Or they can go via the Danube River which is used for shipping.
This large map shows the distance if you use the Danube river or go via the longer Atlantic route -
http://www.vifrana.eu/images/map.jpg

[Eol Sha]

That sounds like a logistical nightmare. It wouldn't be like Dunkirk where you could use small fishing boats to ferry some of the immigrants. You'd have to go around Spain and then past the Netherlands before getting to a port of any real size in Germany.

They can go to Germany from Turkey via rail.
See this rail map which shows it -
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 ... ay_466.gif

Or they can go via the Danube River which is used for shipping.
This large map shows the distance if you use the Danube river or go via the longer Atlantic route -
http://www.vifrana.eu/images/map.jpg

Huh.

Honestly, I did not know just how much of the Danube was navigable. Didn't know about the rail line, either.

Interestin'.

[The Lone Alliance]

Sad just sad.

[Macedom]

That sounds like a logistical nightmare. It wouldn't be like Dunkirk where you could use small fishing boats to ferry some of the immigrants. You'd have to go around Spain and then past the Netherlands before getting to a port of any real size in Germany.

They can go to Germany from Turkey via rail.
See this rail map which shows it -
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 ... ay_466.gif

Or they can go via the Danube River which is used for shipping.
This large map shows the distance if you use the Danube river or go via the longer Atlantic route -
http://www.vifrana.eu/images/map.jpg

Yes clog the danube and rail lines with thousands of immigrants cause fuck the locals

[Macedom]

They can go to Germany from Turkey via rail.
See this rail map which shows it -
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 ... ay_466.gif

Or they can go via the Danube River which is used for shipping.
This large map shows the distance if you use the Danube river or go via the longer Atlantic route -
http://www.vifrana.eu/images/map.jpg

Yes clog the danube and rail lines with thousands of immigrants cause fuck the locals

also who pays for this?