European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Immoren]

Europe can never be safe. You never know where the next IS sympathizers will come from. Even 7 % of christians in Nigeria have a favourable opinion of ISIS. 7 % of Christians!!

Well, I can understand why they feel like that.

Let's be totally honest with ourselves, we have come to such a low level in society where we even accept people who claim they are cats or this imaginary gender with the xir/xer/xerself pronouns or whatever the fuck those kids use. The rest of the world really laughs at us for that and it is driving more and more people to the extremist sides. Christians in Lebanon already massively support Hezbollah (who are, luckily, really acceptive of Christians) often because of us.

I say these "frivolities" are good thing, because it sort of reflects the affluence/wealth of society. *nods*

[Valystria]

Uhuh, see above and below for why the "Turkey is secular" claims are nothing more than a myth.

Taking into account the Turkish state is very much Islamic, the majority of the populace being in favour of Islamic laws, and Turkey's governing party being an openly Islamic party, Turkey is a fine example of a state that isn't secular.




Compulsory religious education.

Turkey violates every established definition of secularism.





Asserting and repeating a myth won't make it true. The evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates Turkey is far from anything resembling being secular.

Thanks for all the sassy links. I genuinely didn't know the definition of secularism!

Now let's look at what religious education actually means in this context.

https://www.iarf.net/REBooklet/Turkey.htm

There have been, and still are, various criticisms directed to the course, "The Culture of Religion and the Knowledge of Ethics." Some of these criticisms are aimed at the course itself and others toward the way it is taught. Primarily, the course is criticized as being against the principles of secularism, i.e., the separation of religion and state. Though this is a valid point, it ignores the fact that the Unity of Education Law does not allow for non-secular schools to provide religious education. Furthermore, the course aims to give information about religions in general and Islam in particular. Finally, it is not only a course on religion, but also on ethics. When these points are taken into consideration, the claim that the course is against secularism loses its strength. In any event, since non-secular schools are not allowed in Turkey, religious education must be given by the State in public schools. The discussions concerning the status of the course are, therefore, likely to continue as long as it remains obligatory.

As for the government control over religion, it's a way for the government to maim what could potentially become an anti-secular political force. In order to prevent radicals from inciting jihad amongst the Turkish populace, the government appoints the imams and regulates what they say and do. And thus is the story of how Turkey has avoided radical Islamism.

Preventing radicalism? In the same way as a predominantly Catholic nation having state-employed Catholic priests, mandatory Catholic theology classes and an openly Catholic governing party would be?

State religion doesn't prevent radicalism, and there's certainly no prevention of radicalism from Turkey's practice of state Islam.

1 in 4 Turks support honour killings;
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/turkey-war-on-women/

29% of Muslims in Turkey supporting punishing adultery with stoning, in contrast with 25% of Muslims in Kosovo, 25% in Albania, and 21% in Bosnia and Herzegovina;
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

17% of Muslims in Turkey support the death penalty for leaving Islam, in contrast with 14% of Muslims in Kyrgyzstan, 11% in Kosovo, and 4% in Kazakhstan;
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

43% of Muslims in Turkey support Sharia law for all citizens, in contrast with 38% of Muslims in Iraq, 29% in Morocco, and 24% in Thailand;
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

65% of Muslims in Turkey believe a woman must always obey her husband, in contrast with 58% of Muslims in Azerbaijan, 51% in Kazakhstan, and 45% in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Interesting how Turkey's polar opposite of secularism gets worse results at preventing radicalism than countries that don't practice de facto state Islam. A lot like how a predominantly Catholic country practicing de facto state Catholicism would be far more religiously Catholic than countries not practicing de facto state Catholicism.

Turkey hasn't avoided radical Islam. It has embraced it. As for the compulsory religious classes, a Catholic country mandating compulsory Catholicism classes teaching about Catholicism in particular and teaching ethics from a Catholicism view would be state Catholicism. Repeating the myth of Turkish secularism won't make it true when all the evidence demonstrates Turkey's rigid adherence to state Islam.

[Aelex]

Irrelevant. The basis of Turkish law is Liacite, not Islamist. Neither is giving students the choice to wear a headscarf particularly Islamist.

Bullshit. Everyone who know just the premise of what Laïcité is can see that it's indeed a big, good, smelly dump on it.
Not that surprising that you however, don't see the problem with it as you seem to not even be able to write the term correctly.

[Ostroeuropa]

Irrelevant. The basis of Turkish law is Liacite, not Islamist. Neither is giving students the choice to wear a headscarf particularly Islamist.

Bullshit. Everyone who know just the premise of what Laïcité is can see that it's indeed a big, good, smelly dump on it.
Not that surprising that you however, don't see the problem with it as you seem to not even be able to write the term correctly.

"No no, we can have catholic priests hired by the state now. And teach compulsory catholicism in schools. We're still secular, Turkey sez.." - France

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

The example I'm using is probably barely used, but there are atleast several hundred citizens in the western world who openly use fake pronouns to look special.

And the cat woman controversy is real.

Oh Heliogabalus, what should we do???

Worship this shiny black stone I found.

[Ghatawerpya]

Preventing radicalism? In the same way as a predominantly Catholic nation having state-employed Catholic priests, mandatory Catholic theology classes and an openly Catholic governing party would be?

State religion doesn't prevent radicalism, and there's certainly no prevention of radicalism from Turkey's practice of state Islam.

1: I've addressed this.
2: It's a class on religion in general, not propagating Sunni theology.
3: Just like Germany!

1 in 4 Turks support honour killings;
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/turkey-war-on-women/

I'd be cautious to trust a poll carried out by one of Fethullah Gulen's media sources.

29% of Muslims in Turkey supporting punishing adultery with stoning, in contrast with 25% of Muslims in Kosovo, 25% in Albania, and 21% in Bosnia and Herzegovina;
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

17% of Muslims in Turkey support the death penalty for leaving Islam, in contrast with 14% of Muslims in Kyrgyzstan, 11% in Kosovo, and 4% in Kazakhstan;
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

I cannot find reference to these in the study. Although I don't have that much time at the moment, and may come back to that.

43% of Muslims in Turkey support Sharia law for all citizens, in contrast with 38% of Muslims in Iraq, 29% in Morocco, and 24% in Thailand;
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Take a look at what it actually says.

Among Muslims who support making sharia
the law of the land, most do not believe that it
should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five
of 21 countries where this follow-up question
was asked do at least half say all citizens
should be subject to Islamic law.

And if we step backwards and look at how many Turks support Sharia, the term is 12%. So in reality less than 6% of Muslim Turks believe Sharia should apply to all citizens.

Turkey hasn't avoided radical Islam. It has embraced it. As for the compulsory religious classes, a Catholic country mandating compulsory Catholicism classes teaching about Catholicism in particular and teaching ethics from a Catholicism view would be state Catholicism. Repeating the myth of Turkish secularism won't make it true when all the evidence demonstrates Turkey's rigid adherence to state Islam.

I think you could learn from what the International Association for Religious Freedom has to say about that.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Muslim immigrants attacked gay person in Berlin. Source. Amateur Footage of the incident.

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the people running from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

[Atelia]

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

Yes, this incident happened near a museum dedicated to the gay culture. According to feminists/SJWs/cultural relativist this should not happened. I hope they see their "social theory" is bullshit. Pro-immigration crowd should be ashamed of themself.

Here are more incident. 17-year old Muslim (probably he is older since they all claim to be underage to take asylum) rape 22-year old female.
http://www.bild.de/regional/koeln/verge ... .bild.html

This is news from the last 24 hours.

They truly should be.

[Ghatawerpya]

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

Yes, this incident happened near a museum dedicated to the gay culture. According to feminists/SJWs/cultural relativist this should not happened. I hope they see their "social theory" is bullshit. Pro-immigration crowd should be ashamed of themself.

Here are more incident. 17-year old Muslim (probably he is older since they all claim to be underage to take asylum) rape 22-year old female.
http://www.bild.de/regional/koeln/verge ... .bild.html

This is news from the last 24 hours.

Not from an egalitarian perspective. Having backwards views does not make someone less than human, and therefor undeserving of help.

[Socialist Czechia]

I would actually agree to accept more migrants. Even 100 000 for our small homeland. But only under conditions unacceptable by too pussy West, through stalinist methods. Bans, limitation, control imposed on every one of them. Mandatory workplaces, mandatory education, mandatory participation in organisations and ordered activities. No ghettos or organized diasporas would be allowed to exist, same as any cultural centers or mosques.

Integration is non-negoatiable.

[TheDrunkenLlamas]

Muslim immigrants attacked gay person in Berlin. Source. Amateur Footage of the incident.

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Aelex]

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

Obvious troll is obvious.

Wow. For someone who seem to proud himself of his ability to use "sarcasm", you don't really look like you're actually understanding it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

Obvious troll is obvious.

Trollnaming is a no-no on NSG, beware lest ye mods deliver the hammer.

Muslim immigrants attacked gay person in Berlin. Source. Amateur Footage of the incident.

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

That's a whole lot of heresy, the hivemind is not pleased.

[Kauthar]

Muslim immigrants attacked gay person in Berlin. Source. Amateur Footage of the incident.

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

I love being a long term resident of Germany. Earlier today, three short term residents from Syria culturally enriched my daughter and son, thank Merkel I taught them not to scream while getting enriched, otherwise the neighbours and diversity police might think I'm racist! Be back in an hour, the nazis are protesting a Shariah for Germany march (they're just promoting diversity in this country), damn racists!

[Vassenor]

Is this thread just going to turn into gloating every time a migrant steps out of line when if a white guy did the same thing no one could give less of a damn?

[The Kievan People]

Is this thread just going to turn into gloating every time a migrant steps out of line when if a white guy did the same thing no one could give less of a damn?

Sex crimes make the news all the time. It's like half the Daily Mail.

[Geilinor]

Is this thread just going to turn into gloating every time a migrant steps out of line when if a white guy did the same thing no one could give less of a damn?

I get the sense they aren't motivated by real care about women and gay people who are attacked. They just politicize it.

[Lipnitia]

Finally people have got some freewill and though in their heads, and started protesting against those filthy madmen.

[Geilinor]

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

I love being a long term resident of Germany. Earlier today, three short term residents from Syria culturally enriched my daughter and son, thank Merkel I taught them not to scream while getting enriched, otherwise the neighbours and diversity police might think I'm racist! Be back in an hour, the nazis are protesting a Shariah for Germany march (they're just promoting diversity in this country), damn racists!

You say that you want to defend Europe from "degeneracy". Does that include homosexuality?

[Saiwania]

I get the sense they aren't motivated by real care about women and gay people who are attacked. They just politicize it.

It is not so different from liberals using gun violence to push the need for gun control. The right has a vision for the world and an agenda to push. If this means taking the news about what immigrants are doing and highlighting all of the bad incidents, so be it.

[Lipnitia]

I get the sense they aren't motivated by real care about women and gay people who are attacked. They just politicize it.

It is not so different from liberals using gun violence to push the need for gun control. The right has a vision for the world and an agenda to push. If this means taking the news about what immigrants are doing and highlighting all of the bad incidents, so be it.

This.

[Vassenor]

The difference is people in the left don't want more people to get killed in order to push their agenda, while the right is apparently tossing each other off at the prospect of more rapes.

[Geilinor]

I get the sense they aren't motivated by real care about women and gay people who are attacked. They just politicize it.

It is not so different from liberals using gun violence to push the need for gun control. The right has a vision for the world and an agenda to push. If this means taking the news about what immigrants are doing and highlighting all of the bad incidents, so be it.

People who support gun control don't selectively report crimes committed by non-white people or immigrants.

[Zhenya]

What a vibrant culture these migrants have. Clearly Germany is being enriched by bringing in the unique (and undoubtedly tolerant, after all surely the peoplevrunning from the Middle East are all socially liberal leftists) views and beliefs of these poor individuals.

That gay man should have just not been openly gay around them. After all, they have no duty to integrate and we have to respect their beliefs. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Don't forget about the poor plight of the refugee, you racist!

I love being a long term resident of Germany. Earlier today, three short term residents from Syria culturally enriched my daughter and son, thank Merkel I taught them not to scream while getting enriched, otherwise the neighbours and diversity police might think I'm racist! Be back in an hour, the nazis are protesting a Shariah for Germany march (they're just promoting diversity in this country), damn racists!

I put this in my signature, this is probably the best representation of what's going on in Germany that I've ever seen.

[Kauthar]

I love being a long term resident of Germany. Earlier today, three short term residents from Syria culturally enriched my daughter and son, thank Merkel I taught them not to scream while getting enriched, otherwise the neighbours and diversity police might think I'm racist! Be back in an hour, the nazis are protesting a Shariah for Germany march (they're just promoting diversity in this country), damn racists!

You say that you want to defend Europe from "degeneracy". Does that include homosexuality?

Yes and No. It shouldn't be promoted, there shouldn't be medical services offered for free to homosexuals who contract AIDS through sex, and they shouldn't be allowed to partake in same-sex marriage, but at the same time killing people for their sexual orientation just makes us look like barbarians. It's their choice and the lord gave us free will for a reason.