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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:14 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:PEGIDA are at best deluded for thinking they're relevant.

well they kind of are relevant when they have 16,000 facebook likes.

That's one five-thousandth of the German population and certainly includes many members outside Germany.
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well I doubt you even have 16 so.

Yes, we individuals have fewer Facebook likes than an organisation.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:14 pm

The Wolven League wrote:Iran is a Shi'ite theocracy.


Also kind of mostly our fault for doing stupid crap to the legitimately elected Iranian government in the 60s-70s because it looked like he might get into bed with the Soviets.

Because that worked swimmingly, didn't it?
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Postby Mortuus Luciferus » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:15 pm

Haktiva wrote:
Mortuus Luciferus wrote:Iran has culture for one form of Islam
Saudi has it for the other
and they both have decent standards of living. so why cant they go there?????

Iran is Persian, most of the migrants are Arab so there's that tension, not to mention the schism between Sunni and Shia(can't remember which Iran is).

Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states won't take any of them in because "officially' they're afraid of terrorists sneaking in, the ones they often fund and support, ironically.

so we should take all the terrorists hahahah we should just invade the entire middle east
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:16 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
Haktiva wrote:Iran is Persian, most of the migrants are Arab so there's that tension, not to mention the schism between Sunni and Shia(can't remember which Iran is).

Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states won't take any of them in because "officially' they're afraid of terrorists sneaking in, the ones they often fund and support, ironically.

so we should take all the terrorists hahahah we should just invade the entire middle east


Oh yes, give all the radicals more reasons to hate us.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:17 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
Haktiva wrote:Iran is Persian, most of the migrants are Arab so there's that tension, not to mention the schism between Sunni and Shia(can't remember which Iran is).

Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states won't take any of them in because "officially' they're afraid of terrorists sneaking in, the ones they often fund and support, ironically.

so we should take all the terrorists hahahah we should just invade the entire middle east

I personally think let them all kill each other instead of wasting blood and treasure far away from home and allow the war profiteers to starve in the poor house, and that anyone who wants to help legit refugees should have to work in the camps and interact with them daily.
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Postby Alyakia » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:17 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Fun fact: The Middle East is not some culturally homogeneous blob.

Iran has culture for one form of Islam
Saudi has it for the other
and they both have decent standards of living. so why cant they go there?????


would you go live in russia or brazil? they have culture of one form of christianity.
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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:17 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
Haktiva wrote:Iran is Persian, most of the migrants are Arab so there's that tension, not to mention the schism between Sunni and Shia(can't remember which Iran is).

Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states won't take any of them in because "officially' they're afraid of terrorists sneaking in, the ones they often fund and support, ironically.

so we should take all the terrorists hahahah we should just invade the entire middle east

Because past events have proven that works so very well.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:17 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Mortuus Luciferus wrote:Iran has culture for one form of Islam
Saudi has it for the other
and they both have decent standards of living. so why cant they go there?????


would you go live in russia or brazil? they have culture of one form of christianity.

I heard Ethiopia is Christian...
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:18 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Mortuus Luciferus wrote:so we should take all the terrorists hahahah we should just invade the entire middle east

Because past events have proven that works so very well.


Well given that people still haven't learned that invading Russia doesn't work out (Unless You Are The Mongols), I'm not surprised.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Iran is a Shi'ite theocracy.


Also kind of mostly our fault for doing stupid crap to the legitimately elected Iranian government in the 60s-70s because it looked like he might get into bed with the Soviets.

Because that worked swimmingly, didn't it?

don't you love it when they say "they hate us because of our freedoms" and all that stupid tripe.

no mention of the installation of the Shah or the support to Israel which can bomb them with impunity.
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Postby Mortuus Luciferus » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Mortuus Luciferus wrote:so we should take all the terrorists hahahah we should just invade the entire middle east


Oh yes, give all the radicals more reasons to hate us.

they can't hate us if they're dead.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:19 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh yes, give all the radicals more reasons to hate us.

they can't hate us if they're dead.

so how about you and any other volunteers go out and do it?
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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:19 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
would you go live in russia or brazil? they have culture of one form of christianity.

I heard Ethiopia is Christian...

Oui, but they are filthy Coptic heretics! We must purge the world of such unclean monsters and establish catholic presence there *nod*
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:19 pm

Haktiva wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Also kind of mostly our fault for doing stupid crap to the legitimately elected Iranian government in the 60s-70s because it looked like he might get into bed with the Soviets.

Because that worked swimmingly, didn't it?

don't you love it when they say "they hate us because of our freedoms" and all that stupid tripe.

no mention of the installation of the Shah or the support to Israel which can bomb them with impunity.


Because that would imply that they hate Western nations for sane reasons rather than the neo-colonial passive aggressive "they're jealous of how much more civilised we are than them".
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:20 pm

Haktiva wrote:
Mortuus Luciferus wrote:so we should take all the terrorists hahahah we should just invade the entire middle east

I personally think let them all kill each other instead of wasting blood and treasure far away from home and allow the war profiteers to starve in the poor house, and that anyone who wants to help legit refugees should have to work in the camps and interact with them daily.

And then what do we do with their well-educated middle class who are understandbly not content sitting between peeing and shitting in some hole and sleeping in a hastily erected tent in Anatolia, and going back to a regime who most likely will behead or burn them, with no prospect of any sort of future?
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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:20 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh yes, give all the radicals more reasons to hate us.

they can't hate us if they're dead.

A shame that the extreme majority of Easterners have done nothing wrong.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:21 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Mortuus Luciferus wrote:they can't hate us if they're dead.

A shame that the extreme majority of Easterners have done nothing wrong.


Pretty sure some people these days consider "living while Muslim" to be a capital crime.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:22 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Haktiva wrote:I personally think let them all kill each other instead of wasting blood and treasure far away from home and allow the war profiteers to starve in the poor house, and that anyone who wants to help legit refugees should have to work in the camps and interact with them daily.

And then what do we do with their middle class who are understandbly not content with peeing and shitting in some hole and sleeping in a hastily erected tent in Anatolia with no prospect of any sort of future?

ideally, help them rebuild. if they can contribute to the host nation, why not let them? of course, if they're cheaper labor, the local workers won't be to happy about being undercut.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:24 pm

Haktiva wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And then what do we do with their middle class who are understandbly not content with peeing and shitting in some hole and sleeping in a hastily erected tent in Anatolia with no prospect of any sort of future?

ideally, help them rebuild. if they can contribute to the host nation, why not let them? of course, if they're cheaper labor, the local workers won't be to happy about being undercut.

Yes, because going back to Kobane and rebuild right now is entirely safe, and a half-hearted invasion with a Vietnam/Iraq outcome is going to work.
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Postby Mortuus Luciferus » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:24 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Mortuus Luciferus wrote:they can't hate us if they're dead.

A shame that the extreme majority of Easterners have done nothing wrong.

Well to kill one criminal you have to kill two innocents.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:24 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:A shame that the extreme majority of Easterners have done nothing wrong.

Well to kill one criminal you have to kill two innocents.

Muh collateral damage.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:24 pm

Mortuus Luciferus wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:A shame that the extreme majority of Easterners have done nothing wrong.

Well to kill one criminal you have to kill two innocents.


That logic makes no sense.

I'm also loving the idea that just being of a certain religion makes you in some way criminal.
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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:24 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:A shame that the extreme majority of Easterners have done nothing wrong.


Pretty sure some people these days consider "living while Muslim" to be a capital crime.

welp im fucked then
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:25 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Haktiva wrote:ideally, help them rebuild. if they can contribute to the host nation, why not let them? of course, if they're cheaper labor, the local workers won't be to happy about being undercut.

Yes, because going back to Kobane and rebuild right now is entirely safe, and a half-hearted invasion with a Vietnam/Iraq outcome is going to work.

it will most likely never be safe, honestly. if they're gonna stay in their host country, they'd best adapt then and assimilate.
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Postby Belivonia » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:25 pm

800,000 middle-eastern immigrant people is enough to make Latvia, Estonia and Finland a very sandy place.
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