European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Imperializt Russia]

But they have no power in law.

[Geilinor]

I've just taken a quick look at MAT's website. Assuming they're not outright lying about the kind of service they provide, they're quite progressive:



Remember these services can only be used with the consent of both parties.

They are by their own account, but the "Islamic Sacred law" the MAT uses treats women lesser than men.

It doesn't look like these tribunals are hurting anyone.

[Tierra Prime]

They are by their own account, but the "Islamic Sacred law" the MAT uses treats women lesser than men.

It doesn't look like these tribunals are hurting anyone.

That's not what Panorama says. It apparently investigated MAT and found out it was treating women unfairly.

[Imperializt Russia]

It doesn't look like these tribunals are hurting anyone.

That's not what Panorama says. It apparently investigated MAT and found out it was treating women unfairly.

It's argued that the legal courts treat women unfairly as well, what's your point?

[Tierra Prime]

But they have no power in law.

They don't, but their rulings can be enforced by higher courts.

It's a religious body that is founded on religious law whose rulings can be enforced by civil law.

It may not be popular now, but it flies in the face of secularism. The UK technically isn't a secular country though, considering Anglicanism.

[Tierra Prime]

That's not what Panorama says. It apparently investigated MAT and found out it was treating women unfairly.

It's argued that the legal courts treat women unfairly as well, what's your point?

Sharia law treats women unfairly, so the court believes it can too. It rules according to Sharia law after all.

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

That's not what Panorama says. It apparently investigated MAT and found out it was treating women unfairly.

It's argued that the legal courts treat women unfairly as well, what's your point?

Could you give some examples?

[Imperializt Russia]

It's argued that the legal courts treat women unfairly as well, what's your point?

Could you give some examples?

It's often pointed out that women make up a minority of those who face jail time and may escape with lesser non-custodial sentences. It's additionally pointed out that women typically face shorter jail terms than men for similar offences.
Additionally, some feminists believe that women being favoured in child custody claims is also harmful for women, since the reason they are favoured is because child-rearing is seen as "women's work".

[Arkinesia]

Actually, the idea that America is a melting pot is a 20th century idea.

What in the mauve fuck are you talking about?

The fact that the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed in 1882, long after so-called coolies had basically built the railroads by themselves (aside from some help from former slaves and their children) flatly disproves your utterly baseless and ridiculous claim.

[Eol Sha]

Actually, the idea that America is a melting pot is a 20th century idea.

What in the mauve fuck are you talking about?

The fact that the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed in 1882, long after so-called coolies had basically built the railroads by themselves (aside from some help from former slaves and their children) flatly disproves your utterly baseless and ridiculous claim.

Don't forget the Irish papists.

[Arkinesia]

What in the mauve fuck are you talking about?

The fact that the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed in 1882, long after so-called coolies had basically built the railroads by themselves (aside from some help from former slaves and their children) flatly disproves your utterly baseless and ridiculous claim.

Don't forget the Irish papists.

Yeah, that's true, but I intentionally gunned for a group of a different race.

Also, the fact that the US-Mexico border is quite frankly very hinky (George Friedman was absolutely right to call the land within 200 miles of the border on either side to be a borderland more akin to Alsace-Lorraine than, say, Ukraine-Russia) is a strong repudiation of the notion that America isn't a melting pot.

I mean if you think Texan culture is like…“pure white” or whatever, you've clearly never even heard of Texas before.

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

Could you give some examples?

It's often pointed out that women make up a minority of those who face jail time and may escape with lesser non-custodial sentences. It's additionally pointed out that women typically face shorter jail terms than men for similar offences.
Additionally, some feminists believe that women being favoured in child custody claims is also harmful for women, since the reason they are favoured is because child-rearing is seen as "women's work".

Ahh... I must have misunderstood you. I thought you meant women were treated unfairly in a way that was disadvantageous (relative to men), since that appeared to be Terra's point with the MAT.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's often pointed out that women make up a minority of those who face jail time and may escape with lesser non-custodial sentences. It's additionally pointed out that women typically face shorter jail terms than men for similar offences.
Additionally, some feminists believe that women being favoured in child custody claims is also harmful for women, since the reason they are favoured is because child-rearing is seen as "women's work".

Ahh... I must have misunderstood you. I thought you meant women were treated unfairly in a way that was disadvantageous (relative to men), since that appeared to be Terra's point with the MAT.

You can benefit from something and still be disadvantaged by it.

[MERIZoC]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/27/migrants-found-dead-inside-lorry-in-austria

Bloody awful.

[Arkinesia]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/27/migrants-found-dead-inside-lorry-in-austria

Bloody awful.

Well, it's the immigrants who are the problem!

That's what we're supposed to believe.

[Nocturnalis]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/27/migrants-found-dead-inside-lorry-in-austria

Bloody awful.

Well, it's the immigrants who are the problem!

That's what we're supposed to believe.

Maybe if they could be assed to migrate legally, without turning to shady-as-fuck smugglers to cart them around like cattle, they wouldn't end up in these situations.

While this is a terrible situation, I have absolutely no sympathy for them. If they want to live in Europe, they can move illegaly; otherwise, they can fuck off back to their shit-hole homelands. As if Europe has any obligation to these parasites anyway.

[Brytene]

Maybe if they could be assed to migrate legally, without turning to shady-as-fuck smugglers to cart them around like cattle, they wouldn't end up in these situations.

While this is a terrible situation, I have absolutely no sympathy for them. If they want to live in Europe, they can move illegaly; otherwise, they can fuck off back to their shit-hole homelands. As if Europe has any obligation to these parasites anyway.

Right but you act as though you personally did anything to make Europe as attractive a place to live as it is, and you act as though it was they themselves who created the instability in the Middle East.

Also, given an OAP Canadian recently got booted out of the UK despite having been married to a Brit for 45 years and having grandkids with them, what chance does a war-torn refugee have of 'legally' immigrating?

[Infected Mushroom]

This is indeed cause for concern.

I think Germany should close/regulate its borders.

Germany can't support all these newcomers. Also, culturally they won't fit.

As germany has proven, it is pretty resilient. It'll be fine, as long as people don't let their anti-immigration sentiment reach a boiling point.

Except it inevitably will. Germans will inevitably feel like their country is being taken over by foreigners. This will create instability and resentment. Also, the German culture would change.

[Minoa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34083337

That is one awful tragedy from the underground human trafficking industry. However, it is a bit early to speculate as to what the new owners of the ex-Hyza truck were thinking in relation to the desperate refugees (Hyza sold it last year).

[Hyfling]

Interesting article:

Mass Migration: What Is Driving the Balkan Exodus?

In a prior page , I posted an article about the Germans deporting Albanians.

Seems the Balkans will not get a break from most of the EU. They really need to get together when it comes to dealing with the EU. and other international things. Greece should also join. Maybe then will they be better noticed and treated.

Get together you say?

[Hyfling]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34083337

That is one awful tragedy from the underground human trafficking industry. However, it is a bit early to speculate as to what the new owners of the ex-Hyza truck were thinking in relation to the desperate refugees (Hyza sold it last year).

71 now? It was 50 when I first heard about it this morning...

How awful.

[Minoa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34083337

That is one awful tragedy from the underground human trafficking industry. However, it is a bit early to speculate as to what the new owners of the ex-Hyza truck were thinking in relation to the desperate refugees (Hyza sold it last year).

71 now? It was 50 when I first heard about it this morning...

How awful.

It is just so sickening to describe what the investigators found inside the abandoned truck, if I was actually there I would faint instantly.

[Hyfling]

71 now? It was 50 when I first heard about it this morning...

How awful.

It is just so sickening to describe what the investigators found inside the abandoned truck, if I was actually there I would faint instantly.

Indeed. Props to the officers for dealing with the gruesome discovery.

[Shamhnan Insir]

It is just so sickening to describe what the investigators found inside the abandoned truck, if I was actually there I would faint instantly.

Indeed. Props to the officers for dealing with the gruesome discovery.

Well there's possibly another couple of hundred bodies in the Med at the moment, so looks like the traffickers are doing well...

[Minoa]

Indeed. Props to the officers for dealing with the gruesome discovery.

Well there's possibly another couple of hundred bodies in the Med at the moment, so looks like the traffickers are doing well...

Source: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/1 ... 00934.html

Note that Al Jazeera knows the plight of the refugees, given that the term “migrants” is awfully ambiguous and not reflective of the desperate situation on the ground.

I advise the OP to update the title to “Refugee and Migration Crisis in Europe” to reflect the situation in Eritrea, Syria, Libya and Iraq et al. Thanks in advance.