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Postby MisandristMantis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:28 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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The right to full equality before the law, regardless of gender would help. The justice system should be forced to ignore gender in custody cases, in the case of rape etc. This should prevent women getting lower sentences than men for the same crimes, the fact that women are favoured in child custody cases etc.


What about this instead?
Early release policy based on demographics: You take the data from all the women in jail for a crime, the data from all the men in jail for that crime, smush them together, and when it turns out that men get say, 40% more prison time for that crime, you parole the men when they've completed 60% of their sentence (Dodgy math probably.). Notably, such a policy is absolutely silent on whether this problem is the result of discrimination against men (It is.) Or women, it merely addresses the issue. It's crude and such, but it's better than nothing. You can repeat it for black people and such, or any demographic if there is evidence of discrimination in the system. This also means that if people want criminals to serve more time, they have to actually mean that instead of using it as a cover to target a demographic. This also handily does away with individual judges having too much sway over a persons fate, and gives way to the wisdom of crowds effect. Notably, it does not impact a sentence when a judge decides to be lenient, only if they decide to be harsh. Further, it only mitigates the harshness proportionally.
So if a woman gets 1 year and a man gets 20 years, but the average for men is 10 years, he will serve 2 years. That judge may have been 1 year too harsh, or it may be the individual circumstances of the crime and such, but it still eliminates a chunk of the sentence to achieve the 10% amount. This policy would not mean that such a man would serve 1 year. It only effects proportionally, and with both demographics counted. It allows some leeway for more harsh sentencing based on individual circumstances of the crime, while eliminating the possibility for broad, systemic discrimination, since if the "Individual circumstances" excuse is used too often, it will skew the data and prompt sentence reductions. (Discrimination may still occur in individual cases and not be rectified entirely by the system.)
This to me, seems to be a sufficient system to address justice system discrimination with regards to sentencing. If this were implemented, THEN we could have a discussion on whether or not sentences should be as low as womens, or as high as mens, or in between. This system merely ensures equality.



This policy would be disastrous and perhaps ironically(since you are a mens activist) it would hurt men the most. The vast majority of assaults and murders are actually men killing and maiming other men.

If anything it should be the other way around. Letting dangerous criminals out on the streets early is one of the worst policies I've ever heard of.

It also ignores the fact that women and men tend to commit different types of crimes with different severity and men are often able to get reduced sentences by cooperating and admitting to a lessor charge.
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Postby Camicon » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:30 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:https://archive.is/NrBOe

Migrant crisis: Grim find of bodies in Austria lorry

How they end the article.

They do not yet know whether women and children are among the victims, or how they died.


Stay classy BBC, stay classy.

A feminist might say that the use of a "women and children" modifier when referring to human tragedy such as this is because the default assumption is "adult male" when talking about "people", and their reason for believing so would be some nebulous patriarchy thing. Which is bullshit, of course.
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What about this instead?



This policy would be disastrous and perhaps ironically(since you are a mens activist) it would hurt men the most. The vast majority of assaults and murders are actually men killing and maiming other men.

If anything it should be the other way around. Letting dangerous criminals out on the streets early is one of the worst policies I've ever heard of.

It also ignores the fact that women and men tend to commit different types of crimes with different severity and men are often able to get reduced sentences by cooperating and admitting to a lessor charge.

Men and women tend to be convicted of different types of crimes, etc. Whether or not that actually commit different crimes at different rates is difficult to say, because conviction statistics (even arrest statistics) are too unreliable to tell.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:30 pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... /?sort=top

Here's a good one, comments are too.

Media is on fire this week.

I'd love for someone to try and rationalize the decision not to name her.
It's pretty obvious our society is misandrist.

The article is full of fuckwittery.
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Postby MisandristMantis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:33 pm

A recent article indicated that boys are attending being admitted to universities at such a low rate compared to girls that there is risk of men becoming a "disadvantaged class" in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... chief.html

The article implies the cause of this is that boys don't study seriously enough. I suspect quite a bit of this is boys not taking their education seriously as well.

Not only are boys not being admitted to universities at the same rate as girls but when they are admitted boys perform poorly on every subject compared to women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

Apparently this is part of a 100 year theme. Again the articles suspect this may be due to boys focusing on final grades while women focus on learning the material.

Some posters in this thread have claimed this is a "mens rights issue".

Specifically what additional rights do boys need to develop better study habits?

Or if you disagree with the articles that study habits likely are to blame, what do you believe needs to happen for boys to perform better?

Alternately, is this even an issue? If a big chunk of men choose to be under educated is this something we should care about? And why?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:40 pm

MisandristMantis wrote:A recent article indicated that boys are attending being admitted to universities at such a low rate compared to girls that there is risk of men becoming a "disadvantaged class" in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... chief.html

The article implies the cause of this is that boys don't study seriously enough. I suspect quite a bit of this is boys not taking their education seriously as well.

Not only are boys not being admitted to universities at the same rate as girls but when they are admitted boys perform poorly on every subject compared to women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

Apparently this is part of a 100 year theme. Again the articles suspect this may be due to boys focusing on final grades while women focus on learning the material.

Some posters in this thread have claimed this is a "mens rights issue".

Specifically what additional rights do boys need to develop better study habits?

Or if you disagree with the articles that study habits likely are to blame, what do you believe needs to happen for boys to perform better?

Alternately, is this even an issue? If a big chunk of men choose to be under educated is this something we should care about? And why?


Yeh you're right.
It's just that blacks are criminal.
Nothing to do with the institutions and our culture at all.
Lack of empathy from you is obvious.

What can be done about it?
Curb negative portrayals of men in the media, and stop insinuating that no matter what they do they will get no respect from anyone because they are men, and inherently shit.
More break times.
More Male Teachers.
More school programmes devoted to improving boys education like ones which girls have.

There's other stuff as well, but that'll do.
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:47 pm

MisandristMantis wrote:A recent article indicated that boys are attending being admitted to universities at such a low rate compared to girls that there is risk of men becoming a "disadvantaged class" in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... chief.html

The article implies the cause of this is that boys don't study seriously enough. I suspect quite a bit of this is boys not taking their education seriously as well.

Not only are boys not being admitted to universities at the same rate as girls but when they are admitted boys perform poorly on every subject compared to women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

Apparently this is part of a 100 year theme. Again the articles suspect this may be due to boys focusing on final grades while women focus on learning the material.

Some posters in this thread have claimed this is a "mens rights issue".

Specifically what additional rights do boys need to develop better study habits?

Or if you disagree with the articles that study habits likely are to blame, what do you believe needs to happen for boys to perform better?

Alternately, is this even an issue? If a big chunk of men choose to be under educated is this something we should care about? And why?


Why should we care? By the same token I could say why should we care that in many countries women are under-represented in national parliaments? Or why should we care that minorities make up a disproportionally large part of the US prison population.

Clearly there is a deeper reason as to why males do not interact as well in the school system as women do. Maybe that merits further investigation, wouldn't you say?
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:49 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
MisandristMantis wrote:A recent article indicated that boys are attending being admitted to universities at such a low rate compared to girls that there is risk of men becoming a "disadvantaged class" in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... chief.html

The article implies the cause of this is that boys don't study seriously enough. I suspect quite a bit of this is boys not taking their education seriously as well.

Not only are boys not being admitted to universities at the same rate as girls but when they are admitted boys perform poorly on every subject compared to women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

Apparently this is part of a 100 year theme. Again the articles suspect this may be due to boys focusing on final grades while women focus on learning the material.

Some posters in this thread have claimed this is a "mens rights issue".

Specifically what additional rights do boys need to develop better study habits?

Or if you disagree with the articles that study habits likely are to blame, what do you believe needs to happen for boys to perform better?

Alternately, is this even an issue? If a big chunk of men choose to be under educated is this something we should care about? And why?


Yeh you're right.
It's just that blacks are criminal.
Nothing to do with the institutions and our culture at all.
Lack of empathy from you is obvious.

What can be done about it?
Curb negative portrayals of men in the media, and stop insinuating that no matter what they do they will get no respect from anyone because they are men, and inherently shit.
More break times.
More Male Teachers.
More school programmes devoted to improving boys education like ones which girls have.

There's other stuff as well, but that'll do.


You know I really have to applaud you for your solutions here and particularly for not jumping straight to the easy cop-out of gender quotas. In many cases, this one included, quotas would only treat a symptom and not the source of the problem.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:54 pm

Chestaan wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yeh you're right.
It's just that blacks are criminal.
Nothing to do with the institutions and our culture at all.
Lack of empathy from you is obvious.

What can be done about it?
Curb negative portrayals of men in the media, and stop insinuating that no matter what they do they will get no respect from anyone because they are men, and inherently shit.
More break times.
More Male Teachers.
More school programmes devoted to improving boys education like ones which girls have.

There's other stuff as well, but that'll do.


You know I really have to applaud you for your solutions here and particularly for not jumping straight to the easy cop-out of gender quotas. In many cases, this one included, quotas would only treat a symptom and not the source of the problem.


Thanks. I agree with what you said about quotas.
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Postby MisandristMantis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:04 pm

Chestaan wrote:
MisandristMantis wrote:A recent article indicated that boys are attending being admitted to universities at such a low rate compared to girls that there is risk of men becoming a "disadvantaged class" in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... chief.html

The article implies the cause of this is that boys don't study seriously enough. I suspect quite a bit of this is boys not taking their education seriously as well.

Not only are boys not being admitted to universities at the same rate as girls but when they are admitted boys perform poorly on every subject compared to women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

Apparently this is part of a 100 year theme. Again the articles suspect this may be due to boys focusing on final grades while women focus on learning the material.

Some posters in this thread have claimed this is a "mens rights issue".

Specifically what additional rights do boys need to develop better study habits?

Or if you disagree with the articles that study habits likely are to blame, what do you believe needs to happen for boys to perform better?

Alternately, is this even an issue? If a big chunk of men choose to be under educated is this something we should care about? And why?


Why should we care? By the same token I could say why should we care that in many countries women are under-represented in national parliaments? Or why should we care that minorities make up a disproportionally large part of the US prison population.

Clearly there is a deeper reason as to why males do not interact as well in the school system as women do. Maybe that merits further investigation, wouldn't you say?


Because men already have equal rights + systematic sexism in their favor and yet a sizable portion of them seem to have decided that studying for "A levels" is a waste of time.

I don't see why we should spend extra money forcing education on people who have decided they don't want an education.
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Postby Serksis Federation » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:08 pm

MisandristMantis wrote:
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Why should we care? By the same token I could say why should we care that in many countries women are under-represented in national parliaments? Or why should we care that minorities make up a disproportionally large part of the US prison population.

Clearly there is a deeper reason as to why males do not interact as well in the school system as women do. Maybe that merits further investigation, wouldn't you say?


Because men already have equal rights + systematic sexism in their favor and yet a sizable portion of them seem to have decided that studying for "A levels" is a waste of time.

I don't see why we should spend extra money forcing education on people who have decided they don't want an education.


Majority of students don't want the education being provided, should we just lower the education budget altogether on this?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:09 pm

MisandristMantis wrote:
Chestaan wrote:
Why should we care? By the same token I could say why should we care that in many countries women are under-represented in national parliaments? Or why should we care that minorities make up a disproportionally large part of the US prison population.

Clearly there is a deeper reason as to why males do not interact as well in the school system as women do. Maybe that merits further investigation, wouldn't you say?


Because men already have equal rights + systematic sexism in their favor and yet a sizable portion of them seem to have decided that studying for "A levels" is a waste of time.

I don't see why we should spend extra money forcing education on people who have decided they don't want an education.


Women also have equal rights and systematic sexism in their favor, and yet a sizable portion of them can't be assed to run for office. So nevermind about more women in government. Except no, that's silly.
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Postby MisandristMantis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:23 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
MisandristMantis wrote:
Because men already have equal rights + systematic sexism in their favor and yet a sizable portion of them seem to have decided that studying for "A levels" is a waste of time.

I don't see why we should spend extra money forcing education on people who have decided they don't want an education.


Women also have equal rights and systematic sexism in their favor, and yet a sizable portion of them can't be assed to run for office. So nevermind about more women in government. Except no, that's silly.


Seriously though, the article I linked to indicated that women get better grades than boys in all subjects in all countries and have for the last 100 years. I don't see how your suggestions would change this.

From the article I linked to:

Results come from a review of 308 studies involving 1.1 million children
Girls shown to do better at all ages, in all subjects and all over the world

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

From the same article:

"The study, which looked at data from 1914 to 2011, suggests that girls do better in school than boys – and have been doing so for at least 100 years.

Not only that, but the research claims that girls do better at all ages, in all subjects and all over the world."

Can you explain why you believe the solutions you suggested would change a 100 year world-wide issue? It's not like education is the same in every country or that it has been for 100 years.

The researchers suggest that:

"Previous research has shown girls tend to study in order to understand the materials, whereas boys emphasis performance, which indicates a focus on the final grades."

It seems to me this is the key and I don't see how any of your suggestions address that.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:27 pm

MisandristMantis wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Women also have equal rights and systematic sexism in their favor, and yet a sizable portion of them can't be assed to run for office. So nevermind about more women in government. Except no, that's silly.


Seriously though, the article I linked to indicated that women get better grades than boys in all subjects in all countries and have for the last 100 years. I don't see how your suggestions would change this.

From the article I linked to:

Results come from a review of 308 studies involving 1.1 million children
Girls shown to do better at all ages, in all subjects and all over the world

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

From the same article:

"The study, which looked at data from 1914 to 2011, suggests that girls do better in school than boys – and have been doing so for at least 100 years.

Not only that, but the research claims that girls do better at all ages, in all subjects and all over the world."

Can you explain why you believe the solutions you suggested would change a 100 year world-wide issue? It's not like education is the same in every country or that it has been for 100 years.

The researchers suggest that:

"Previous research has shown girls tend to study in order to understand the materials, whereas boys emphasis performance, which indicates a focus on the final grades."

It seems to me this is the key and I don't see how any of your suggestions address that.


They don't, but they would mitigate it.
We should also address the idea of womens inherent worth and mens worth.

Women study to understand the material and this makes them a woman with more status, because of who she is. She becomes a better person.
Men emphasize performance because it's made painfully clear to them that who they are is worth nothing, only their actions give their life any value to others.

Who a woman is is important. Who a man is is not.

Start valuing boys for who they are rather than what they do.
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Postby MisandristMantis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:37 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
MisandristMantis wrote:
Seriously though, the article I linked to indicated that women get better grades than boys in all subjects in all countries and have for the last 100 years. I don't see how your suggestions would change this.

From the article I linked to:

Results come from a review of 308 studies involving 1.1 million children
Girls shown to do better at all ages, in all subjects and all over the world

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... study.html

From the same article:

"The study, which looked at data from 1914 to 2011, suggests that girls do better in school than boys – and have been doing so for at least 100 years.

Not only that, but the research claims that girls do better at all ages, in all subjects and all over the world."

Can you explain why you believe the solutions you suggested would change a 100 year world-wide issue? It's not like education is the same in every country or that it has been for 100 years.

The researchers suggest that:

"Previous research has shown girls tend to study in order to understand the materials, whereas boys emphasis performance, which indicates a focus on the final grades."

It seems to me this is the key and I don't see how any of your suggestions address that.


They don't, but they would mitigate it.
We should also address the idea of womens inherent worth and mens worth.

Women study to understand the material and this makes them a woman with more status, because of who she is. She becomes a better person.
Men emphasize performance because it's made painfully clear to them that who they are is worth nothing, only their actions give their life any value to others.

Who a woman is is important. Who a man is is not.

Start valuing boys for who they are rather than what they do.


I agree with valuing everyone for who they are. I'm unconvinced that would impact this particular issue. How do you propose we enforce the valuation of all individuals according to who they are?

Also, do you have any evidence that there is a gender disparity here that negatively impacts boys?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:44 pm

MisandristMantis wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
They don't, but they would mitigate it.
We should also address the idea of womens inherent worth and mens worth.

Women study to understand the material and this makes them a woman with more status, because of who she is. She becomes a better person.
Men emphasize performance because it's made painfully clear to them that who they are is worth nothing, only their actions give their life any value to others.

Who a woman is is important. Who a man is is not.

Start valuing boys for who they are rather than what they do.


I agree with valuing everyone for who they are. I'm unconvinced that would impact this particular issue. How do you propose we enforce the valuation of all individuals according to who they are?

Also, do you have any evidence that there is a gender disparity here that negatively impacts boys?


We can address the cultural elements and tropes that cause this gendered valuation differences. Deconstruct the roles in our culture and such. Most importantly, tackle the empathy gap.

How do you propose I go about finding that evidence, exactly?

It's an observation, and it's one a lot people agree with.

Women are human beings, Men are human doings. People ignore womens activities and focus on who they are as a person. Mens personhood is ignored and they are evaluated on their accomplishments.

This is also why the prison gap is so bad.

A man did a bad thing, and so that becomes the totality of our impression of him.
A woman did a bad thing, but that doesn't matter, what sort of person is she?

This can piss women off when they want to get the same approval men do for doing something and don't really get it. There is a largely static amount of respect they get. They notice men get respect for doing shit, and get pissed about it, but not many of them seem to understand the other side of the problem and how the system isn't set up to privilege men necessarily. This disincentivises women from trying to accomplish anything other than stand still and look pretty, get intelligent, and learn to be funny.

The problems for men in this are obvious. It essentially forces men into going out and doing shit, and to keep doing shit constantly, because they are i competition with others and falling low on the rankings will lead to their dehumanization and such. They just go do stuff, because who they are as a person isn't valued by society.

Men work an unhealthy amount compared to women.
This causes them to get promoted more.
What can women do? Work themselves to death too?
(What they seem to have settled on, is demanding women who work less hard get promoted instead. There are women CEOs. They are workaholics too, but more men are workaholics.)
You simply cannot compete with someone who's membership in the species is riding on their success. Not without completely outclassing them.

Men do not value themselves, and women do not value men either.
Only their accomplishments.

That's why a man is willing to drive himself to an early grave to get more stuff done.

The accomplishments part for men is being undermined by feminist narrative.
Now men just suck in general and nothing they do can change it.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:05 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Men do not value themselves, and women do not value men either.


Fuck this noise. You don't speak for me.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Men do not value themselves, and women do not value men either.


Fuck this noise. You don't speak for me.


You're right that I should point out we're discussing trends, though that should have been obvious since we're discussing what causes a trend.
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Postby MisandristMantis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:56 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Men do not value themselves, and women do not value men either.


Fuck this noise. You don't speak for me.


It seems you don't have much of a consensus on this Ostroeuropa. Apparently some men think they do value themselves.

And a lot of women seem to value the men in their lives too.
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Postby Hansberg » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:59 pm

Can we stop politicizing gender equality in the West? Feminism is unnecessary in Europe and the USA because of institutional and societal views on gender equality. And a few angry feminists flipping their shit doesn't mean that men are being oppressed. Let's stop focusing on such trivial issues. In fact, if you want to be a feminist, stop bitching about a tiny pay gap and start giving a shit about the muslim women losing their heads in the Middle East because they didn't want to be raped.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:02 pm

MisandristMantis wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Fuck this noise. You don't speak for me.


It seems you don't have much of a consensus on this Ostroeuropa. Apparently some men think they do value themselves.

And a lot of women seem to value the men in their lives too.


In fairness, you and Ostro are two sides of the same coin. Y'all should just get a room and hate-fuck until you feel better.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:44 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Fuck this noise. You don't speak for me.


You're right that I should point out we're discussing trends, though that should have been obvious since we're discussing what causes a trend.


What nonsense. There is no trend in teaching men that they are worthless, and men in general value themselves.

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Postby The Alexanderians » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:16 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3ikt30/a_female_teacher_who_raped_an_autistic_child_for/?sort=top

Here's a good one, comments are too.

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I'd love for someone to try and rationalize the decision not to name her.
It's pretty obvious our society is misandrist.

The article is full of fuckwittery.

ONLY 18 months? This shows one of two things, either she got off easy for going after a man or people are still only able to see auties as "retards". Possibly both.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Men do not value themselves, and women do not value men either.


Fuck this noise. You don't speak for me.

Or me.

But let's shit on Chess instead, the new Alger Hiss of NSG.

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Postby New Grestin » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:55 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Fuck this noise. You don't speak for me.

Or me.

But let's shit on Chess instead, the new Alger Hiss of NSG.

I see her more as the NSG equivalent of the town drunk. She wanders in, says something batshit crazy, then leaves to wreak further havoc.

...Now that I think of it, she's more like Mothra than anything.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:21 am

New Grestin wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Or me.

But let's shit on Chess instead, the new Alger Hiss of NSG.

I see her more as the NSG equivalent of the town drunk. She wanders in, says something batshit crazy, then leaves to wreak further havoc.

...Now that I think of it, she's more like Mothra than anything.

She kind of reminds me of four sided triangle, if you were around for that.
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Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

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