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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:27 pm

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They're worse than I thought. Ugh.

There was an operation where they planned to torture a woman to the point of driving them to be admitted to a mental hospital. The reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:28 pm

Sure, and while we're at it, let's also revoke tax-exempt status for every religion as well.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:28 pm

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Benuty wrote:A cult by its very nature cannot have sects

Due to the fact Scientology has a sect filled with rogue believers it is a religion unfortunately.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=days+of+ ... +of+a+cult

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Also, doesn't Christianity not have different sects?

Christianity has so many sects it's fucking ridiculous.

And neither Christianity nor Scientology are ultimately devoted toward a worldly figure or object.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:29 pm

United States Kingdom wrote:
Benuty wrote:A cult by its very nature cannot have sects

Due to the fact Scientology has a sect filled with rogue believers it is a religion unfortunately.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=days+of+ ... +of+a+cult

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Also, doesn't Christianity not have different sects?

This still doesn't contradict my point about religion or Scientology being one due to the fact there are break off branches who reject the modern organization.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:30 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:https://www.google.ca/search?q=days+of+ ... +of+a+cult



Also, doesn't Christianity not have different sects?

Christianity has so many sects it's fucking ridiculous.

And neither Christianity nor Scientology are ultimately devoted toward a worldly figure or object.


He stated that a cult by its "very nature" cannot have sects. Obviously Christianity does.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:30 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:Operation Snow White where scientologists broke into to steal IRS documents says all you need to know about them.

Not just the IRS they infiltrated major governments, and organizations throughout the world.

They're more sinister by the minute.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:30 pm

Luziyca wrote:Sure, and while we're at it, let's also revoke tax-exempt status for every religion as well.

No, and if I recall not even the Raelians attempted to install shadow agents in governments across the world to earn them favorable status, and purge the government records of their multiple wrongdoings.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:31 pm

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greed and death wrote:Serb is wrong.

It was not just the IRS the Scientologist infiltrated, over 5,000 agents were placed in 136 government agencies in 30 countries most of whom are still in those positions since the governments in question have been unable to identify wrong doing on the individuals part and government employee union contracts generally require that for dismissal.

How did those bastards even manage to find 5,000 agents?

Indoctrination, money for Training, and so on.

I have been told Sicetology is the world's #2 spy agency behind the CIA both in size and budget.


What should scare you is many of them are still there. Critics of Scientology have been know to be subjected to audits by the IRS, FBI investigations, and to have their accounts frozen.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:31 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Christianity has so many sects it's fucking ridiculous.

And neither Christianity nor Scientology are ultimately devoted toward a worldly figure or object.


He stated that a cult by its "very nature" cannot have sects. Obviously Christianity does.

Indeed it does. Meaning it isn't a cult.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Geilinor wrote:They're worse than I thought. Ugh.

There was an operation where they planned to torture a woman to the point of driving them to be admitted to a mental hospital. The reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

That sounds very messed up.
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Postby Chessmistress » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Geilinor wrote:They're worse than I thought. Ugh.

There was an operation where they planned to torture a woman to the point of driving them to be admitted to a mental hospital. The reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout


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Postby United States Kingdom » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:33 pm

Benuty wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:Isn't Christianity not a cult?

A cult by its very nature cannot have sects

Due to the fact Scientology has a sect filled with rogue believers it is a religion unfortunately.




Benuty wrote:
United States Kingdom wrote:https://www.google.ca/search?q=days+of+ ... +of+a+cult



Also, doesn't Christianity not have different sects?

This still doesn't contradict my point about religion or Scientology being one due to the fact there are break off branches who reject the modern organization.


Oh sorry. I thought you stated that a cult can have a sect. Lol, I apologize for that.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:34 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:Personally I would be strongly in favour of totally gutting that deranged pulp scifi cult, if only because it is the decent thing to do. Scientology is pretty much a criminal organization.

That is why I was involved in Operation Chanology.

Fun times, watching that go down. It's too bad though that Anonymous got bored of it and it ran out of steam.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:34 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:How did those bastards even manage to find 5,000 agents?

Indoctrination, money for Training, and so on.

I have been told Sicetology is the world's #2 spy agency behind the CIA both in size and budget.


What should scare you is many of them are still there. Critics of Scientology have been know to be subjected to audits by the IRS, FBI investigations, and to have their accounts frozen.

Hence given how many critics reside here, Max Barry's probably being visited by Australian tax officials.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:35 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Benuty wrote:There was an operation where they planned to torture a woman to the point of driving them to be admitted to a mental hospital. The reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout


Not really a surprise: theocracies are always misogynist.

Ironically, it was Ron Hubbard's wife who was the main defendant in 1979's United States vs Mary Sue Hubbard et al.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:35 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
greed and death wrote:Indoctrination, money for Training, and so on.

I have been told Sicetology is the world's #2 spy agency behind the CIA both in size and budget.


What should scare you is many of them are still there. Critics of Scientology have been know to be subjected to audits by the IRS, FBI investigations, and to have their accounts frozen.

Hence given how many critics reside here, Max Barry's probably being visited by Australian tax officials.

Checking his blog, he has been subject to inordinate amount of audits.
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The Serbian Empire wrote:That is why I was involved in Operation Chanology.

Fun times, watching that go down. It's too bad though that Anonymous got bored of it and it ran out of steam.

Yep, it ran out of steam. Now I'm just a 23 year old reminiscing about the old days of 4chan and Anonymous.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:35 pm

Benuty wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Sure, and while we're at it, let's also revoke tax-exempt status for every religion as well.

No, and if I recall not even the Raelians attempted to install shadow agents in governments across the world to earn them favorable status, and purge the government records of their multiple wrongdoings.

Exactly. But we should revoke tax exemption for all religions, especially Scientology and Christianity.
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The Serbian Empire wrote:Hence given how many critics reside here, Max Barry's probably being visited by Australian tax officials.

Checking his blog, he has been subject to inordinate amount of audits.

At this point, I have to say that Scientology must be destroyed.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:37 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Benuty wrote:No, and if I recall not even the Raelians attempted to install shadow agents in governments across the world to earn them favorable status, and purge the government records of their multiple wrongdoings.

Exactly. But we should revoke tax exemption for all religions, especially Scientology and Christianity.

Given the state of the U.S tax code it possibly wouldn't fly unless you had a really, and I mean really good argument as to why.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:04 pm

I think that in another decade or two, it will be safe for the IRS to renege on their deal with the Church of Scientology. They have declined from the peak of their power because of the Internet and how the works of L. Ron Hubbard have aged poorly. But Scientology still has the financial fortune they've amassed while times were good for them. It is really just a glorified new age Satanic cult. I'm not just saying this to smear them, L. Ron Hubbard really did take plenty of inspiration from Aleister Crowley and knew him through Jack Parsons.
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Postby The Klishi Islands » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:42 pm

So what's really the best response to Scientology? It's clearly a cult that destroys people's lives, but the Anonymous attacks were just passed off as "hate crimes" against a "religion." Personally, I think a full-scale FBI/CIA investigation should be launched, one even larger than the FIFA one. Once enough evidence has been collected, their headquarters should be raided, heads captured, and tax-exempt/religion status revoked all in one day.
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Saiwania wrote:I think that in another decade or two, it will be safe for the IRS to renege on their deal with the Church of Scientology. They have declined from the peak of their power because of the Internet and how the works of L. Ron Hubbard have aged poorly. But Scientology still has the financial fortune they've amassed while times were good for them. It is really just a glorified new age Satanic cult. I'm not just saying this to smear them, L. Ron Hubbard really did take plenty of inspiration from Aleister Crowley and knew him through Jack Parsons.

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Postby Mysterious Stranger 2 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:14 pm

Given that they only got their tax exempt status through blatantly criminal activity, yeah.

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Postby Gauthier » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:16 pm

How much would you like to bet that Scientology dug up dirt on its celebrity members through "auditing" and it's using them as leverage and insurance?
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