Withheld Video of Murder in Cincinnati

[Actan]

True, but the revolution in Tunisia wasn't overly violent (only something like 300 dead and the gov stepped down) but Scyobayrynn seems to think we need a violent revolution like Syria or some shit.

Well, not revolting in the Syrian case just meant more people were going to die, and the Syrian government proven itself capable and willing to kill innocents en masse before.

The US and Syria aren't really comparable.

[Aeuria]

After watching the video several times, it looks to me like the officer in question purposefully shot him in the fucking face. His gun is pointed upwards, not downwards towards his body. even in that case, a point blank shot like that very well could've killed him anyway. Now I understand it was a chaotic scene, and the car was in the process of speeding away so it could very well have been an accident but even then, this is excessive force. Using your firearm on a routine traffic stop? I get the suspect was attempting to flee but it's not police policy to shoot them in the face. I don't even understand how using your firearm in that situation would resolve the situation in any other manner than the suspect dying. Unfortunately, US police seem to be in the business of shooting with deadly force as a first reaction to everything.

I'll be upset if he isn't at least charged with manslaughter. Sadly, these cases will continue to happen until the population simply can't put up with it anymore before anything will change. Rioting certainly isn't an effective way to bring about change. Non-violent, civil disobedience and protesting is the way to go. RIP Sam Dubose.

[Actan]

After watching the video several times, it looks to me like the officer in question purposefully shot him in the fucking face. His gun is pointed upwards, not downwards towards his body. even in that case, a point blank shot like that very well could've killed him anyway. Now I understand it was a chaotic scene, and the car was in the process of speeding away so it could very well have been an accident but even then, this is excessive force. Using your firearm on a routine traffic stop? I get the suspect was attempting to flee but it's not police policy to shoot them in the face. I don't even understand how using your firearm in that situation would resolve the situation in any other manner than the suspect dying. Unfortunately, US police seem to be in the business of shooting with deadly force as a first reaction to everything.

I'll be upset if he isn't at least charged with manslaughter. Sadly, these cases will continue to happen until the population simply can't put up with it anymore before anything will change. Rioting certainly isn't an effective way to bring about change. Non-violent, civil disobedience and protesting is the way to go. RIP Sam Dubose.

The car wasn't even moving, it started moving after his dead body hit the gas pedal and lifted the brakes.

It has been argued actually that part of the reason cops are now getting indicted is because of the riots. When prosecutors know not prosecuting might set the town on fire, they are more likely to prosecute.

He was also charged with murder.

[Geilinor]

After watching the video several times, it looks to me like the officer in question purposefully shot him in the fucking face. His gun is pointed upwards, not downwards towards his body. even in that case, a point blank shot like that very well could've killed him anyway. Now I understand it was a chaotic scene, and the car was in the process of speeding away so it could very well have been an accident but even then, this is excessive force. Using your firearm on a routine traffic stop? I get the suspect was attempting to flee but it's not police policy to shoot them in the face. I don't even understand how using your firearm in that situation would resolve the situation in any other manner than the suspect dying. Unfortunately, US police seem to be in the business of shooting with deadly force as a first reaction to everything.

I'll be upset if he isn't at least charged with manslaughter. Sadly, these cases will continue to happen until the population simply can't put up with it anymore before anything will change. Rioting certainly isn't an effective way to bring about change. Non-violent, civil disobedience and protesting is the way to go. RIP Sam Dubose.

The fact that we're having firearms and violence on routine traffic stops is shocking and it shows that we're having major problems with how law enforcement works. This shouldn't be happening over minor infractions.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

God damn. The video is a bit messy, and I can hardly hear the victim speaking. It seems that the victim was being uncooperative, and was refusing to give away his license. He then took off his seatbelt(I think) and tried driving away? I can hardly tell towards the end. Whatever the case, the victim was merely being uncooperative and a bit pesky. That's no reason to shoot him in the head, especially when he's just sitting in his car the moment of.

The cop seemed inexperienced, scared, and far too incompetent with a gun. He should no longer remain in the police force because of this injustice.

[Washington Resistance Army]

God damn. The video is a bit messy, and I can hardly hear the victim speaking. It seems that the victim was being uncooperative, and was refusing to give away his license. He then took off his seatbelt(I think) and tried driving away? I can hardly tell towards the end. Whatever the case, the victim was merely being uncooperative and a bit pesky. That's no reason to shoot him in the head, especially when he's just sitting in his car the moment of.

The cop seemed inexperienced, scared, and far too incompetent with a gun. He should no longer remain in the police force because of this injustice.

The victim refused to hand over his license at first, then he claimed he didn't have it, the cops asks him to step out of the vehicle and opens the door, the victim pulls the door shut and says he hasn't done anything, the cop tells him to take his seat belt off, the victim starts the car, the cop draws his gun and shouts stop and right around the time the car starts rolling a shot is fired.

[Atomic Utopia]

*sigh* I am no longer surprised by this. If it happened a year ago, I would be angered. But as it is now, nothing will ever change in American society. It is just so rotten to the core, so damaged from years of neglect, that there is no point in changing anything by using the existing system, but instead, a revolution needs to occur.

So you just became politically aware a year ago?

Things may be improving compared to how shit they were years ago, look at Rodney King, look at all the previous events. The police have always been shit, at least now we have a lot more people with cameras and a lot more people able to take videos of police brutality.

I know this is somewhat futile, but I hope the riots stop quickly. The solution is peaceful protest and asking for change in a way that does not get bullets sent in your direction, not loot and pillage.

[Pope Joan]

Thank God for body cams on police.

The truth shall set you free

eventually

[Imperializt Russia]

So DuBose wouldn't get out of his car as, I believe, he's entitled not to do.

So the officer snaps, grabs him by the throat and shoots him in the face?
The fuck?

[Scyobayrynn]

*sigh* I am no longer surprised by this. If it happened a year ago, I would be angered. But as it is now, nothing will ever change in American society. It is just so rotten to the core, so damaged from years of neglect, that there is no point in changing anything by using the existing system, but instead, a revolution needs to occur.

So you just became politically aware a year ago?

Things may be improving compared to how shit they were years ago, look at Rodney King, look at all the previous events. The police have always been shit, at least now we have a lot more people with cameras and a lot more people able to take videos of police brutality.

I know this is somewhat futile, but I hope the riots stop quickly. The solution is peaceful protest and asking for change in a way that does not get bullets sent in your direction, not loot and pillage.

Rodney king was talked about for years, Malice Green was hardly noticed.

[Scyobayrynn]

So DuBose wouldn't get out of his car as, I believe, he's entitled not to do.

So the officer snaps, grabs him by the throat and shoots him three times in the face?
The fuck?

Three times? There were three shots? Wow, I didn't catch that.

[Scyobayrynn]

Thank God for body cams on police.

The truth shall set you free

eventually

Body cam didn't help Debose one little bit.

[Imperializt Russia]

So DuBose wouldn't get out of his car as, I believe, he's entitled not to do.

So the officer snaps, grabs him by the throat and shoots him three times in the face?
The fuck?

Three times? There were three shots? Wow, I didn't catch that.

My speakers were turned down. There was only one shot. I apologise.

[Luziyca]

*sigh* I am no longer surprised by this. If it happened a year ago, I would be angered. But as it is now, nothing will ever change in American society. It is just so rotten to the core, so damaged from years of neglect, that there is no point in changing anything by using the existing system, but instead, a revolution needs to occur.

So you just became politically aware a year ago?

Things may be improving compared to how shit they were years ago, look at Rodney King, look at all the previous events. The police have always been shit, at least now we have a lot more people with cameras and a lot more people able to take videos of police brutality.

I know this is somewhat futile, but I hope the riots stop quickly. The solution is peaceful protest and asking for change in a way that does not get bullets sent in your direction, not loot and pillage.

No, I became politically aware in 2009. But I know things are improving. Doesn't mean that I should praise this event.

[Scyobayrynn]

Three times? There were three shots? Wow, I didn't catch that.

My speakers were turned down. There was only one shot. I apologise.

Okay, still one shot too many.

[Scyobayrynn]

So you just became politically aware a year ago?

Things may be improving compared to how shit they were years ago, look at Rodney King, look at all the previous events. The police have always been shit, at least now we have a lot more people with cameras and a lot more people able to take videos of police brutality.

I know this is somewhat futile, but I hope the riots stop quickly. The solution is peaceful protest and asking for change in a way that does not get bullets sent in your direction, not loot and pillage.

No, I became politically aware in 2009. But I know things are improving. Doesn't mean that I should praise this event.

Improving how?

[Washington Resistance Army]

So DuBose wouldn't get out of his car as, I believe, he's entitled not to do.

So the officer snaps, grabs him by the throat and shoots him in the face?
The fuck?

Are you not required to step out of your car if a cop tells you to?

[Imperializt Russia]

So DuBose wouldn't get out of his car as, I believe, he's entitled not to do.

So the officer snaps, grabs him by the throat and shoots him in the face?
The fuck?

Are you not required to step out of your car if a cop tells you to?

I don't know, but I believe an officer has to have a good reason to demand you exit your car, where you have to comply. Like being arrested.

[Geilinor]

So DuBose wouldn't get out of his car as, I believe, he's entitled not to do.

So the officer snaps, grabs him by the throat and shoots him in the face?
The fuck?

Are you not required to step out of your car if a cop tells you to?

No, you are not required to do so, but the article warns that the officer might not like it. http://www.businessinsider.com/what-rights-do-you-have-when-pulled-over-2013-11 Officers are often a little paranoid.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Are you not required to step out of your car if a cop tells you to?

I don't know, but I believe an officer has to have a good reason to demand you exit your car, where you have to comply. Like being arrested.

Ah, well from what I know in most situations like this (no license etc) you'll generally be cuffed for a little bit while they try to figure out who you are, if it's you car etc.

But yeah, the shooting was entirely unprovoked. He should have just ran back to his car if he thought the victim was going to run.

[Scyobayrynn]

After watching the video several times, it looks to me like the officer in question purposefully shot him in the fucking face. His gun is pointed upwards, not downwards towards his body. even in that case, a point blank shot like that very well could've killed him anyway. Now I understand it was a chaotic scene, and the car was in the process of speeding away so it could very well have been an accident but even then, this is excessive force. Using your firearm on a routine traffic stop? I get the suspect was attempting to flee but it's not police policy to shoot them in the face. I don't even understand how using your firearm in that situation would resolve the situation in any other manner than the suspect dying. Unfortunately, US police seem to be in the business of shooting with deadly force as a first reaction to everything.

I'll be upset if he isn't at least charged with manslaughter. Sadly, these cases will continue to happen until the population simply can't put up with it anymore before anything will change. Rioting certainly isn't an effective way to bring about change. Non-violent, civil disobedience and protesting is the way to go. RIP Sam Dubose.

The car wasn't even moving, it started moving after his dead body hit the gas pedal and lifted the brakes.

It has been argued actually that part of the reason cops are now getting indicted is because of the riots. When prosecutors know not prosecuting might set the town on fire, they are more likely to prosecute.

He was also charged with murder.

Exactly, they will scapegoat individuals to protect the system. Just until the natives calm down.
We pretend the shootings are anomalies instead of being symptomatic of a greater problem.
How many beatings and acts of intimidation go unnoticed while people have there morning indignation while flipping through the channels.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Are you not required to step out of your car if a cop tells you to?

No, you are not required to do so, but the article warns that the officer might not like it. http://www.businessinsider.com/what-rights-do-you-have-when-pulled-over-2013-11 Officers are often a little paranoid.

Huh, the more you know I guess. I can certainly understand why that would scare an officer though.

[Kelinfort]

God damn. The video is a bit messy, and I can hardly hear the victim speaking. It seems that the victim was being uncooperative, and was refusing to give away his license. He then took off his seatbelt(I think) and tried driving away? I can hardly tell towards the end. Whatever the case, the victim was merely being uncooperative and a bit pesky. That's no reason to shoot him in the head, especially when he's just sitting in his car the moment of.

The cop seemed inexperienced, scared, and far too incompetent with a gun. He should no longer remain in the police force because of this injustice.

He turned on the engine, the police officer then shot him point blank in the head.

Yet another example of police brutality and racism. But I've lost all patience with people who keep defending these officer's actions.

[Geilinor]

No, you are not required to do so, but the article warns that the officer might not like it. http://www.businessinsider.com/what-rights-do-you-have-when-pulled-over-2013-11 Officers are often a little paranoid.

Huh, the more you know I guess. I can certainly understand why that would scare an officer though.

For a routine traffic stop, it really shouldn't.

[Scyobayrynn]

I don't know, but I believe an officer has to have a good reason to demand you exit your car, where you have to comply. Like being arrested.

Ah, well from what I know in most situations like this (no license etc) you'll generally be cuffed for a little bit while they try to figure out who you are, if it's you car etc.

But yeah, the shooting was entirely unprovoked. He should have just ran back to his car if he thought the victim was going to run.

Yes. If you don't have license and proof of registration and insurance they can order from the vehicle, now Bland was within her rights to refuse, but she's dead now too.