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Highfort
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Postby Highfort » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:48 am

Lordieth wrote:Why is it any time Russia is criticised for anything, it's always "Western bias?".

Call us crazy in the west, but we like our governments not to be oppressive, corrupt, or homophobic.


Because admitting your government is corrupt and run by an oligarchal megalomaniac is a bit difficult to swallow for a lot of people, especially when patriotism is strong and you've been assaulted and invaded by other nations who now criticize you under new governments (see: the OP calling Germans quasi-Nazis).
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Postby Finland SSR » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:49 am

People like this makes me wish Algirdas did not accept that tribute from Muscovy and instead sieged the city.
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Postby Cinnabarra » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:49 am

Page wrote:Once on a flight I sat next to a Russian kid. We were both teenagers but he was a few years younger than me. He asked me if I was an American and somehow we got into politics, and he asked me what I thought of Bush. "I think Bush was a horrible President, I didn't like him at all" I said. The Russian kid says "George Bush was a stupid goat." Cute, and not something I'd disagree with. But then as things go on he rambles about how great Putin has made Russia and that he was part of some kind of Putin-youth thing (I don't know what it was). Then he was ranting about Germans and how evil they are, and I said "Well the Nazis were evil but Germans today realize that and Germans today are good people" and he's like "No, they shouldn't be forgiven for Hitler." And then he goes on about how Russia crushed Hitler without anyone's help, how they "won" against the Finns in the Winter War and showing me his knowledge of history.

It was right around then I realized some Russians are really fervently nationalistic and do not listen to other views. And of course there are Americans like that too but some Russians really do take it to a whole new level.

I have a similar story.I met a Russian girl online once, she was all about Putin too, claiming how he was the best and made Russia a stronger country against western imperialism.That's brainwashing coupled with naivety, she didn't even want to debate it.

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Postby Anglandy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:49 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:Can you be more specific?

NSA creates those numbers, now I see you are finish please go join us we will help your economy really.



Do you have a source for that?

Oh, wait! I found it!

https://www.nsa.gov/

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Postby Lordieth » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:49 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Lordieth wrote:Why is it any time Russia is criticised for anything, it's always "Western bias?".

Because that is what is


1 - "because" is not a valid counter-argument.
2 - It can be argued your opinion is equally biased based on being Russian.

I will say this though; I've never targeted my criticism at the Russian people. Always its Government.
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Postby NuvoRossiya » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:49 am

Wolfmanne wrote:Can no one report this guy to the mods? I want to see how long this stupidity lasts.

Shut up you believe SOROS you idiot
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Postby Liivland Abufan Se Steorre » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:49 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:Can you be more specific?

NSA creates those numbers, now I see you are finish please go join us we will help your economy really.

I completely agree: damnable Western pig-dog sheeple how can you not realise that the NSA invented maths!?
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Postby NuvoRossiya » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:50 am

Finland SSR wrote:People like this makes me wish Algirdas did not accept that tribute from Muscovy and instead sieged the city.

I have special love for Finns, please make right decision.
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Postby Urmanian » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:50 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:NSA creates those numbers

Alright. Can you provide a comparable and no doubt legitimate Russian source that proves Russia has a larger GDP per capita than the Baltics or Poland? At least two people in this thread speak Russian, including me, and can confirm this information.
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Postby Allanea » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:50 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Can no one report this guy to the mods? I want to see how long this stupidity lasts.

Shut up you believe SOROS you idiot


Why shouldn't I believe Soros?
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Postby Finland SSR » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:51 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Can no one report this guy to the mods? I want to see how long this stupidity lasts.

Shut up you believe SOROS you idiot

Lithuania could've destroyed your little Russia in the 14th century.

Why didn't we...
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Postby New DeCapito » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:51 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Allanea wrote:Poland has a higher GDP per capita than Russia, as well as a lower inflation rate and poverty rate. proof.

Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia all have higher GDPs per capita than Russia.

Those are lies.

Source, please.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:51 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:People like this makes me wish Algirdas did not accept that tribute from Muscovy and instead sieged the city.

I have special love for Finns, please make right decision.

Love as in hatred or love as in love?
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Postby United facist States of America » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:51 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:Can you be more specific?

NSA creates those numbers, now I see you are finish please go join us we will help your economy really.

That makes about as much Sense as this. Mongolia has the best economy in Asia. This is why Mongolia should rule all of the Mongol Empire. Any sources Saying that Other countries have a better Economy are just using Numbers created by the FSB.
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Postby Cinnabarra » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:51 am

Lordieth wrote:I will say this though; I've never targeted my criticism at the Russian people. Always its Government.

That's true.I don't think anyone ever blamed the Russian people for the bad behavior of the Russian leaders.

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Postby NuvoRossiya » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:51 am

Allanea wrote:
NuvoRossiya wrote:Shut up you believe SOROS you idiot


Why shouldn't I believe Soros?

Soros is NSA and Clinton/Bush (same person) 's puppet

But I know you don't care as you slept with Clinton lol

:p :p :p :p
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:52 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Can no one report this guy to the mods? I want to see how long this stupidity lasts.

Shut up you believe SOROS you idiot

I do not. My opinion regarding Russia can be found here.
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Postby Finland SSR » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:52 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:People like this makes me wish Algirdas did not accept that tribute from Muscovy and instead sieged the city.

I have special love for Finns, please make right decision.

I am Lithuanian, and I choose the right decision.

And it's not the same as yours.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:52 am

Finland SSR wrote:
NuvoRossiya wrote:Shut up you believe SOROS you idiot

Lithuania could've destroyed your little Russia in the 14th century.

Why didn't we...

I don't know. Now only if we could have time-traveled.
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Postby Highfort » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:52 am

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
NuvoRossiya wrote:I have special love for Finns, please make right decision.

Love as in hatred or love as in love?


It appears that, either way, all will become one with Mother Russia.
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Postby New DeCapito » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:52 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:
Allanea wrote:
Why shouldn't I believe Soros?

Soros is NSA and Clinton/Bush (same person) 's puppet

But I know you don't care as you slept with Clinton lol

:p :p :p :p

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:58 am

NuvoRossiya wrote:Shut up you believe SOROS you idiot

NuvoRossiya wrote:You are Clinton's whore shutup

NuvoRossiya wrote:But I know you don't care as you slept with Clinton lol

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NuvoRossiya wrote:you are spewing bulshit that comes from your brownie president.

*** ... and trolling ***

You're not off to a good start, NuvoRossiya. It's not pro-western to actually require arguments to make sense, nor to expect responses to address the questions and not attack the person saying them.

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