Swedish Democrats Organize Controversial Gay Pride Rally

[Revanchism]

The Swedish Democrats don't give a rats ass about gay rights. You of all people should be able to see this for the cheap ploy this is.

Are you calling me gay? Why me of all people?
Either way, wether or not they care, it is a simple question of SWEDES protesting in SWEDEN. Muslim immigrants don't own any of Sweden's territory legitimately. They don't have some sort of independent nation where they decide what Swedes do in their own country. If they hate the tolerant policies of the Swedish nation and the Swedish government so much because of their cultural incompability, they should leave. Sweden has liberal values that these immigrants have to live with if they want to live there.

My family is partly an immigrant family in the US: my mom is from England and my Stepdad immigrated here from Estonia. They are not a crime wave. They don't hate American freedoms. They are culturally compatible. This 1/8 of the Swedish population does not seem to be the same at all.

I'm saying that someone who identifies as a socialist should be able to see this for what it is immediately.

Also, to where would refugees leave, hmm?

[Gauthier]

Are you calling me gay? Why me of all people?
Either way, wether or not they care, it is a simple question of SWEDES protesting in SWEDEN. Muslim immigrants don't own any of Sweden's territory legitimately. They don't have some sort of independent nation where they decide what Swedes do in their own country. If they hate the tolerant policies of the Swedish nation and the Swedish government so much because of their cultural incompability, they should leave. Sweden has liberal values that these immigrants have to live with if they want to live there.

My family is partly an immigrant family in the US: my mom is from England and my Stepdad immigrated here from Estonia. They are not a crime wave. They don't hate American freedoms. They are culturally compatible. This 1/8 of the Swedish population does not seem to be the same at all.

I'm saying that someone who identifies as a socialist should be able to see this for what it is immediately.

Also, to where would refugees leave, hmm?

They can go back where they came from obviously. *nod nod*

[Wolfmanne]

And thus the thread has devolved into total racism. How positively droll.

The problem is that people think this is a social issues. It's not; this is an issue of public order. Yes, let's allow the islamophobic and racist party (ironically, also possibly homophobic) to organise a LGBT pride rally in a Muslim area full of social conservatives. This should not occur and if it does, the police better be pepper spraying anyone who organises this demonstration or a counter one.

In Mathematical terms: Islamophobia + Racism + Homophobia + LGBT rights + Islam = a big fucking disaster.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And thus the thread has devolved into total racism. How positively droll.

The problem is that people think this is a social issues. It's not; this is an issue of public order. Yes, let's allow the islamophobic and racist party (ironically, also possibly homophobic) to organise a LGBT pride rally in a Muslim area full of social conservatives. This should not occur and if it does, the police better be pepper spraying anyone who organises this demonstration or a counter one.

In Mathematical terms: Islamophobia + Racism + Homophobia + LGBT rights + Islam = a big fucking disaster.

Aber Wolfmanne, muh freedumb to do utterly IQ-liberating shit in the name of voting figures!

[The Alma Mater]

The problem is that people think this is a social issues. It's not; this is an issue of public order.

Well, no - it is both. Some people however seem unable to understand that, while it indeed should be so that the protest can take place without any problems, it in practice simply is not nice to have to put a few 100 expensive cops on standby and possibly still end up with loads of broken windows in the neighbourhood.

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

And thus the thread has devolved into total racism. How positively droll.

The problem is that people think this is a social issues. It's not; this is an issue of public order. Yes, let's allow the islamophobic and racist party (ironically, also possibly homophobic) to organise a LGBT pride rally in a Muslim area full of social conservatives. This should not occur and if it does, the police better be pepper spraying anyone who organises this demonstration or a counter one.

In Mathematical terms: Islamophobia + Racism + Homophobia + LGBT rights + Islam = a big fucking disaster.

questionable motives? Sure maybe, but it doesn't matter.
Groups that refuse to assimilate that come from far off lands due to the good will of the people absolutely DO NOT get to stop a western lgbt parade because everyone is so sure they'll react with violence, simple as that.
The issue is violent Muslims and the necessary force taken against them if they assault and root, not hurt feelings dammit.

Edit: spelling error

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

I'm saying that someone who identifies as a socialist should be able to see this for what it is immediately.

Also, to where would refugees leave, hmm?

They can go back where they came from obviously. *nod nod*

quite literally yes.
They are refugees, which means they owe everything to their host nation. Sweden owes them nothing, the refugees and their families owe them everything.
If they can't help themselves but attack a peaceful parade that offends them, they can bug off back to their sand dunes and civil wars.

[MERIZoC]

They can go back where they came from obviously. *nod nod*

quite literally yes.
They are refugees, which means they owe everything to their host nation. Sweden owes them nothing, the refugees and their families owe them everything.
If they can't help themselves but attack a peaceful parade that offends them, they can bug off back to their sand dunes and civil wars.

Of course they can. Is anybody here saying they shouldn't be able to do so?

[Scyobayrynn]

quite literally yes.
They are refugees, which means they owe everything to their host nation. Sweden owes them nothing, the refugees and their families owe them everything.
If they can't help themselves but attack a peaceful parade that offends them, they can bug off back to their sand dunes and civil wars.

Of course they can. Is anybody here saying they shouldn't be able to do so?

Refugees in EU have no freedom of movement, no they can't leave.
They also didnt necessarily get choose where they ended up, merely to an EU nation willing to accept them.
But hey...they're brown and that's clearly bad.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

On a related note, The Swedish Democrats are now polling at 23.3%.

This is above the Moderate Party, and less than a percent behind the leading Social Democrats. Whether or not this has something to do with this parade is up for debate, but I wouldn't rule it out.

[Cederland]

My question still stands.
If they don't like gays, which is the only reason this would be controversial, why are they living in a non-homophobic state? I know a lot of them came because of the Iran-Iraq war, but that's over, time for them to go home.
I'm not going to go to Iran or Iraq and tell them to accept gays, I don't expect Muslims to come to my country and tell me to hate them just because a book written thousands of years ago condemns it.

If you want to hate people for their sexuality, stay in your primitive countries in Asia and Africa, tolerate the gays when coming into a tolerant country.

Alternatively, you could be a homosexual who supports murdering homosexuals...

[Dortmundia]

On a related note, The Swedish Democrats are now polling at 23.3%.

This is above the Moderate Party, and less than a percent behind the leading Social Democrats. Whether or not this has something to do with this parade is up for debate, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Thid should be a lesson for you, whenever you call them racist and homophobic they will pull always higher on polls. The voters are very aware they are not in fact homophobic and perseve then as the guerilla against a failed system.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

On a related note, The Swedish Democrats are now polling at 23.3%.

This is above the Moderate Party, and less than a percent behind the leading Social Democrats. Whether or not this has something to do with this parade is up for debate, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Thid should be a lesson for you, whenever you call them racist and homophobic they will pull always higher on polls. The voters are very aware they are not in fact homophobic and perseve then as the guerilla against a failed system.

Well, I'm sure there are other factors, but this rally could have something to do with their poll numbers.

I wouldn't want to say that a correlation implies causation.

[Equestria and Griffon]

Okay, so basically, the right-populist and anti immigration Swedish Democrats are planning a major gay pride parade in Stockholm. This really shouldn't be controversial, but there is a catch. That is, the Swedish Democrats will hold the parade in some muslim majority neighborhoods, homes to many refugees and recent immigrants who aren't too fond of homosexuality. As such, there is a controversy stirred by the left...

According to Haaretz;

Swedish nationalists are planning a gay 'pride' march through Muslim-majority districts in the country's capital, according to media reports and a dedicated Facebook page.

The march, called 'Pride Järva,' is scheduled to take place on July 29, and will pass through Tensta and Husby, majority-Muslim districts in Stockholm's north. (Järva is the name of an adjacent area.) Husby was the center of the 2013 Stockholm riots, which began in response to allegations of police brutality.

According to the event's Facebook page, the march will include public “kissing."

The organizer of the march, Jan Sjunnesson, is the former editor of the far-right Sweden Democrats' newspaper, the Samtiden. The Sweden Democrats are known for their anti-immigration policies, and came out strongly in support of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten when it published cartoons derogatively depicting the Prophet Mohammed in 2005.

'Expression of pure racism'



The scheduled march has been criticized as provocative and racist by those on the left, with angry comments appearing on the event's Facebook page. Two residents of the Jarva area, Noah Nord and Emelie Mårtensson, claim that 'Jarva Pride' “pits two oppressed groups against each other,” and have organized a counter-demonstration.

One person to defend the march is evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist Richard Dawkins, who slammed criticism of the event as emblematic of "the pathetic Left.

Now, I'm frustrated that the Swedish political establishment is viewing this as a "racist" and "provocative event." If anything, it really goes to show how hypocritical the Swedish left can be. After all, respecting gay rights is an integral part of Swedish values, and being from a neighborhood where this isn't respected shouldn't exempt you from seeing a gay pride parade, nor should it exempt you from refusals to integrate.

I'll be clear, and say that the immigrants and muslims in Sweden who decide to both respect Swedish values and their religious values should be commended to the fullest, as they are fully integrated into Swedish society. So, in case some accusations fly, I'm not ripping on muslims or any other group, since some in Sweden are integrated and upstanding, great citizens of Sweden. However, events that show immigrant communities about what Sweden is all about should be viewed with commendation, not condemnation.

Really, it's just madness that people are attacking this.

>Richard Dawkins
>anti immigration
>fuck

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Okay, so basically, the right-populist and anti immigration Swedish Democrats are planning a major gay pride parade in Stockholm. This really shouldn't be controversial, but there is a catch. That is, the Swedish Democrats will hold the parade in some muslim majority neighborhoods, homes to many refugees and recent immigrants who aren't too fond of homosexuality. As such, there is a controversy stirred by the left...

According to Haaretz;

Swedish nationalists are planning a gay 'pride' march through Muslim-majority districts in the country's capital, according to media reports and a dedicated Facebook page.

The march, called 'Pride Järva,' is scheduled to take place on July 29, and will pass through Tensta and Husby, majority-Muslim districts in Stockholm's north. (Järva is the name of an adjacent area.) Husby was the center of the 2013 Stockholm riots, which began in response to allegations of police brutality.

According to the event's Facebook page, the march will include public “kissing."

The organizer of the march, Jan Sjunnesson, is the former editor of the far-right Sweden Democrats' newspaper, the Samtiden. The Sweden Democrats are known for their anti-immigration policies, and came out strongly in support of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten when it published cartoons derogatively depicting the Prophet Mohammed in 2005.

'Expression of pure racism'



The scheduled march has been criticized as provocative and racist by those on the left, with angry comments appearing on the event's Facebook page. Two residents of the Jarva area, Noah Nord and Emelie Mårtensson, claim that 'Jarva Pride' “pits two oppressed groups against each other,” and have organized a counter-demonstration.

One person to defend the march is evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist Richard Dawkins, who slammed criticism of the event as emblematic of "the pathetic Left.

Now, I'm frustrated that the Swedish political establishment is viewing this as a "racist" and "provocative event." If anything, it really goes to show how hypocritical the Swedish left can be. After all, respecting gay rights is an integral part of Swedish values, and being from a neighborhood where this isn't respected shouldn't exempt you from seeing a gay pride parade, nor should it exempt you from refusals to integrate.

I'll be clear, and say that the immigrants and muslims in Sweden who decide to both respect Swedish values and their religious values should be commended to the fullest, as they are fully integrated into Swedish society. So, in case some accusations fly, I'm not ripping on muslims or any other group, since some in Sweden are integrated and upstanding, great citizens of Sweden. However, events that show immigrant communities about what Sweden is all about should be viewed with commendation, not condemnation.

Really, it's just madness that people are attacking this.

>Richard Dawkins
>anti immigration
>fuck

Err, he may be defending the Swedish Democrats, but that doesn't necessarily mean he agrees with their immigration positions.

[Kelinfort]

On a related note, The Swedish Democrats are now polling at 23.3%.

This is above the Moderate Party, and less than a percent behind the leading Social Democrats. Whether or not this has something to do with this parade is up for debate, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Fuck.

Not that the Soc dems are my favourite, but really?

[Geilinor]

On a related note, The Swedish Democrats are now polling at 23.3%.

This is above the Moderate Party, and less than a percent behind the leading Social Democrats. Whether or not this has something to do with this parade is up for debate, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Fuck.

Not that the Soc dems are any better, but really?

The Soc Dems are a lot better than the Sweden Democrats.

[Kelinfort]

Fuck.

Not that the Soc dems are any better, but really?

The Soc Dems are a lot better than the Sweden Democrats.

Should've worded it better. Fixed.

[Egoman]

Thid should be a lesson for you, whenever you call them racist and homophobic they will pull always higher on polls. The voters are very aware they are not in fact homophobic and perseve then as the guerilla against a failed system.

Well, I'm sure there are other factors, but this rally could have something to do with their poll numbers.

I wouldn't want to say that a correlation implies causation.

I think it's more about them being the only party of the nine big ones willing to cut the stupidly enormous immigration in Sweden.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Well, I'm sure there are other factors, but this rally could have something to do with their poll numbers.

I wouldn't want to say that a correlation implies causation.

I think it's more about them being the only party of the nine big ones willing to cut the stupidly enormous immigration in Sweden.

Of course, of course. I'm merely saying that recent media controversy with them could be a small factor.

An anarchist admitting that Sweden has an immigration issue? Sweden, this is when you know you need to grow at least one nut, and solve your crisis.

[Egoman]

I think it's more about them being the only party of the nine big ones willing to cut the stupidly enormous immigration in Sweden.

Of course, of course. I'm merely saying that recent media controversy with them could be a small factor.

An anarchist admitting that Sweden has an immigration issue? Sweden, this is when you know you need to grow at least one nut, and solve your crisis.

Just because I'm an anarchist doesn't mean I am disconnected from reality. Those are the facts.

[MERIZoC]

I think it's more about them being the only party of the nine big ones willing to cut the stupidly enormous immigration in Sweden.

Of course, of course. I'm merely saying that recent media controversy with them could be a small factor.

An anarchist admitting that Sweden has an immigration issue? Sweden, this is when you know you need to grow at least one nut, and solve your crisis.

I'm not sure he's actually an anarchist.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Of course, of course. I'm merely saying that recent media controversy with them could be a small factor.

An anarchist admitting that Sweden has an immigration issue? Sweden, this is when you know you need to grow at least one nut, and solve your crisis.

Just because I'm an anarchist doesn't mean I am disconnected from reality. Those are the facts.

I know, and we can take this to the TG, but this is what I'm implying.

Most anarchists don't believe in borders, immigration control, or anything of the sort. In fact, you're the one anarchist I've met who acknowledges when immigration to s certain country has gone completely bonkers.

[Egoman]

Just because I'm an anarchist doesn't mean I am disconnected from reality. Those are the facts.

I know, and we can take this to the TG, but this is what I'm implying.

Most anarchists don't believe in borders, immigration control, or anything of the sort. In fact, you're the one anarchist I've met who acknowledges when immigration to s certain country has gone completely bonkers.

Yes, let's. This ain't the "Swedish Immigration Gone Bananners"-thread.

[Benuty]

Dat slippery slope.

According to the Abrahamic holy books, bisexuals and homosexuals should be murdered.

We can't allow people to believe those hateful views.

Because as anyone know the quickest way to generalize entire religions is rely summarily on the texts alone.

Good job.