Swedish Democrats Organize Controversial Gay Pride Rally

[The Alma Mater]

I daresay that he is probably right. And that they will even get what they want - sofar certain groups of muslims have shown to find it incredibly hard to not respond violently to provocation.

Just for the record, I have not said that Muslims are prone to violence. However, I have to ask you this, Alma, if LGBT people are having a parade, and a Muslim that is offended responses to this using physically violence, is it the fault of the LGBT people in the parade or the Muslim that reacted violently?

See my response above

[Sam Hyde]

And whose problem is that?

Everyones, sadly.
But the primary blame of course lies with the people who deem it necessary to respond with violence to nonviolent provocation.

How is it everyone's?

No, all of the blame lies with those people.

[Cannabis Islands]

And whose problem is that?

Everyones, sadly.
But the primary blame of course lies with the people who deem it necessary to respond with violence to nonviolent provocation.

I have to ask you this then. Would you agree that it is more justified when a Muslim reacts violently compared to when a Christian does?

[Cannabis Islands]

Everyones, sadly.
But the primary blame of course lies with the people who deem it necessary to respond with violence to nonviolent provocation.

How is it everyone's?

No, all of the blame lies with those people.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you Sam, but you're right in this one.

[Sam Hyde]

How is it everyone's?

No, all of the blame lies with those people.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you Sam, but you're right in this one.

Well you better start believing in nightmares, boy.

You're in one.

[Zenzibar]

Okay, so basically, the right-populist and anti immigration Swedish Democrats are planning a major gay pride parade in Stockholm. This really shouldn't be controversial, but there is a catch. That is, the Swedish Democrats will hold the parade in some muslim majority neighborhoods, homes to many refugees and recent immigrants who aren't too fond of homosexuality. As such, there is a controversy stirred by the left...

According to Haaretz;

Swedish nationalists are planning a gay 'pride' march through Muslim-majority districts in the country's capital, according to media reports and a dedicated Facebook page.

The march, called 'Pride Järva,' is scheduled to take place on July 29, and will pass through Tensta and Husby, majority-Muslim districts in Stockholm's north. (Järva is the name of an adjacent area.) Husby was the center of the 2013 Stockholm riots, which began in response to allegations of police brutality.

According to the event's Facebook page, the march will include public “kissing."

The organizer of the march, Jan Sjunnesson, is the former editor of the far-right Sweden Democrats' newspaper, the Samtiden. The Sweden Democrats are known for their anti-immigration policies, and came out strongly in support of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten when it published cartoons derogatively depicting the Prophet Mohammed in 2005.

'Expression of pure racism'



The scheduled march has been criticized as provocative and racist by those on the left, with angry comments appearing on the event's Facebook page. Two residents of the Jarva area, Noah Nord and Emelie Mårtensson, claim that 'Jarva Pride' “pits two oppressed groups against each other,” and have organized a counter-demonstration.

One person to defend the march is evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist Richard Dawkins, who slammed criticism of the event as emblematic of "the pathetic Left.

Now, I'm frustrated that the Swedish political establishment is viewing this as a "racist" and "provocative event." If anything, it really goes to show how hypocritical the Swedish left can be. After all, respecting gay rights is an integral part of Swedish values, and being from a neighborhood where this isn't respected shouldn't exempt you from seeing a gay pride parade, nor should it exempt you from refusals to integrate.

I'll be clear, and say that the immigrants and muslims in Sweden who decide to both respect Swedish values and their religious values should be commended to the fullest, as they are fully integrated into Swedish society. So, in case some accusations fly, I'm not ripping on muslims or any other group, since some in Sweden are integrated and upstanding, great citizens of Sweden. However, events that show immigrant communities about what Sweden is all about should be viewed with commendation, not condemnation.

Really, it's just madness that people are attacking this.

Everybody loves a parade. Or is that a clown?

[The Alma Mater]

Everyones, sadly.
But the primary blame of course lies with the people who deem it necessary to respond with violence to nonviolent provocation.

How is it everyone's?

Everyone's problem. Something can be a problem for you without it in any way being your fault.
Again: the blame does not rest on everyone.

[Wolfmanne]

Most of society, especially Sweden, is already quite tolerant. Sweden already has same-sex marriage. I wouldn't want my taxpayer money to go to educating a bunch of conservative muslims or old people in beliefs that they will probably just ignore. I'm fine with LGBT rights, LGBT marriage etc, but I do get particularly annoyed when those who identify themselves as LGBT continue to act as if they're oppressed In Sweden, that certainly isn't the case, barring a few, but as a coloured person myself I have to deal with people who think my skin tone means that I am a person of pakistani origin (Nicaragua and Malta are quite close so that mistake is easy to make). And they mean in a derogatory way too, because they are the kind of people who see 'pakis' as essentially subhuman. Should they be rehabilitated to realise that their ways are wrong?

As for extreme cases... well, that's what hate crime laws are for.

I for one, despise racism, but it is not racism for natives refusing to adjust their lifestyle for immigrants.

I never said anything like that. I'm culturally British if anything. Seeing as what you're saying is a very broad statement, I can neither agree nor disagree with it.

The same with mixed race people, but there's no movement for us anymore.

There are no organizations for mixed-race people?

None that springs to mind or are particularly influential and honestly I don't really care because I certainly don't need any.

The same with mixed race people, but there's no movement for us anymore. If there's a problem, that's why there are hate crime lawS to deal with it. If someone doesn't bake you a wedding cake because they're homophobic, take them to court and settle it there. The legal system represent society and I guarantee in a society that accepts gay marriage the law will side with the LGBT couple. If I got fired and I suspected it to be due to race, I'd certainly take the matter to court. Assuming my evidence is sufficient to prove beyond reasonable doubt that I was racially discriminated against, who do you think a jury would side with?

The problem happens when you have two populations claiming that the presence of the other is oppressing them. Islam's more radical aspects will say the LGBT population oppress them while the LGBT population will say the Muslims oppress them with the rhetoric of Islam's more radical clerics.

Best that the sane people in both populations (i.e. the moderate muslims and the LGBT people who don't regularly post on Tumblr) just ignore the crazy ones then, right?

[Cannabis Islands]

I for one, despise racism, but it is not racism for natives refusing to adjust their lifestyle for immigrants.

I never said anything like that. I'm culturally British if anything. Seeing as what you're saying is a very broad statement, I can neither agree nor disagree with it.

There are no organizations for mixed-race people?

None that springs to mind or are particularly influential and honestly I don't really care because I certainly don't need any.

The problem happens when you have two populations claiming that the presence of the other is oppressing them. Islam's more radical aspects will say the LGBT population oppress them while the LGBT population will say the Muslims oppress them with the rhetoric of Islam's more radical clerics.

Best that the sane people in both populations (i.e. the moderate muslims and the LGBT people who don't regularly post on Tumblr) just ignore the crazy ones then, right?

Again, I have no issue with immigrants. With immigrants. However, a problem arises when immigrants ask the locals to change their culture to suit their feelings. Also, if a person is offended at the sight of a LGBT person, then it's the person that's offended that is at fault.

[Minoa]

It is a bit odd for the progressives to be too politically correct, and then it ends up backfiring on them.

[Arumdaum]

This is done with the sole intent of antagonizing Muslims, and with the suggestion that LGBT rights and Muslims cannot go together.

It's also done hoping that this will cause greater rifts between the LGBT and Muslim communities of Europe.

As a second-gen immigrant, I can't really say that I'm fond of this at all.

[Cannabis Islands]

This is done with the sole intent of antagonizing Muslims, and with the suggestion that LGBT rights and Muslims cannot go together.

It's also done hoping that this will cause greater rifts between the LGBT and Muslim communities of Europe.

As a second-gen immigrant, I can't really say that I'm fond of this at all.

If immigrants don't like the sight of LGBT people, perhaps they should move to another country that matches their values. As a gay person and as a deist, I don't censor myself for native born conservative Christians, so why should I do it for conservative Muslim immigrants?

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

This is done with the sole intent of antagonizing Muslims, and with the suggestion that LGBT rights and Muslims cannot go together.

It's also done hoping that this will cause greater rifts between the LGBT and Muslim communities of Europe.

As a second-gen immigrant, I can't really say that I'm fond of this at all.

it will depend on the Muslims chimping out as to wether or not this will create divides between the communities.

[Knask]

I never said anything like that. I'm culturally British if anything. Seeing as what you're saying is a very broad statement, I can neither agree nor disagree with it.


None that springs to mind or are particularly influential and honestly I don't really care because I certainly don't need any.


Best that the sane people in both populations (i.e. the moderate muslims and the LGBT people who don't regularly post on Tumblr) just ignore the crazy ones then, right?

Again, I have no issue with immigrants. With immigrants. However, a problem arises when immigrants ask the locals to change their culture to suit their feelings. Also, if a person is offended at the sight of a LGBT person, then it's the person that's offended that is at fault.

Wait, aren't you asking the natives to change their culture to suit your feelings? The culture of the swedish LGBTQ-movement is anti-racist and intersectional, but you'd like that to change.Such a desire might get you deported...

[Cannabis Islands]

Again, I have no issue with immigrants. With immigrants. However, a problem arises when immigrants ask the locals to change their culture to suit their feelings. Also, if a person is offended at the sight of a LGBT person, then it's the person that's offended that is at fault.

Wait, aren't you asking the natives to change their culture to suit your feelings? The culture of the swedish LGBTQ-movement is anti-racist and intersectional, but you'd like that to change.Such a desire might get you deported...

I'm an American, so the American government would have extradite me to Sweden just so the Swedish government could deport me back to America.

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

Again, I have no issue with immigrants. With immigrants. However, a problem arises when immigrants ask the locals to change their culture to suit their feelings. Also, if a person is offended at the sight of a LGBT person, then it's the person that's offended that is at fault.

Wait, aren't you asking the natives to change their culture to suit your feelings? The culture of the swedish LGBTQ-movement is anti-racist and intersectional, but you'd like that to change.Such a desire might get you deported...

So the Muslims HAVE to let their radicals chimp out at them?
If anything, this is a chance to let the Muslim community show itself.
Are you afraid because you think the Muslims HAVE no choice but to act like animals?

[The Alma Mater]

Wait, aren't you asking the natives to change their culture to suit your feelings? The culture of the swedish LGBTQ-movement is anti-racist and intersectional, but you'd like that to change.Such a desire might get you deported...

So the Muslims HAVE to let their radicals chimp out at them?
If anything, this is a chance to let the Muslim community show itself.
Are you afraid because you think the Muslims HAVE no choice but to act like animals?

You are aware that this is not the first time right wingers have used this form of provocation ? And each time that indeed was exactly the response they got.
People owning property in the neighbourhoods were not amused by the damage. Nor were people living in neighbourhoods where "solidarity protests" were held - especially since most of the "protesting" seemed to boil down to "smash things" and "rob stores".

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

So the Muslims HAVE to let their radicals chimp out at them?
If anything, this is a chance to let the Muslim community show itself.
Are you afraid because you think the Muslims HAVE no choice but to act like animals?

You are aware that this is not the first time right wingers have used this form of provocation ? And each time that indeed was exactly the response they got.
People owning property in the neighbourhoods were not amused by the damage. Nor were people living in neighbourhoods where "solidarity protests" were held - especially since most of the "protesting" seemed to boil down to "smash things" and "rob stores".

then the problem is these animals rioting, not gays existing near them.

[Knask]

Wait, aren't you asking the natives to change their culture to suit your feelings? The culture of the swedish LGBTQ-movement is anti-racist and intersectional, but you'd like that to change.Such a desire might get you deported...

So the Muslims HAVE to let their radicals chimp out at them?

Which muslims have protested?

[Knask]

Wait, aren't you asking the natives to change their culture to suit your feelings? The culture of the swedish LGBTQ-movement is anti-racist and intersectional, but you'd like that to change.Such a desire might get you deported...

I'm an American, so the American government would have extradite me to Sweden just so the Swedish government could deport me back to America.

In that case, your "leave the natives alone" rethoric sounds extremely hollow, especially when you're talking against native swedes.

[Esternial]

I can see why there's opposition to it. Deliberately vexing Muslims that oppose homosexuality seems a bit of a dirty move.

They should grow more tolerant of homosexuality, but maybe rubbing their faces into it might breed more resentment rather than acclimate them to it using an high dose of fabulousness.

[Annihilators of Chan Island]

Can't say much about the intentions, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. This parade has my blessing.

[The Alma Mater]

I can see why there's opposition to it. Deliberately vexing Muslims that oppose homosexuality seems a bit of a dirty move.

They should grow more tolerant of homosexuality, but maybe rubbing their faces into it might breed more resentment rather than acclimate them to it using an high dose of fabulousness.

The thing is that the "Swedish Democrats" do not actually give a damn about gay rights. The party has in fact repeatedly indicated to dislike "the homosex lobby". So they might be trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone here.

[Gauthier]

I can see why there's opposition to it. Deliberately vexing Muslims that oppose homosexuality seems a bit of a dirty move.

They should grow more tolerant of homosexuality, but maybe rubbing their faces into it might breed more resentment rather than acclimate them to it using an high dose of fabulousness.

The thing is that the "Swedish Democrats" do not actually give a damn about gay rights. The party has in fact repeatedly indicated to dislike "the homosex lobby". So they might be trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone here.

The only hope would be for mainstream LGBTs in Sweden to catch on that it's the SD hosting this "parade" and boycott it. Otherwise it'll be a news story of violence with some injuries and possibly death followed by SD ranting "We Told You So" and people on this forum going "WHY!?" "We Told You So" and so on.

[Revanchism]

And thus the thread has devolved into total racism. How positively droll.