Swedish Democrats Organize Controversial Gay Pride Rally

[New Grestin]

Yeah, can we not assume all Muslims are living in the dark ages? It's a rather unpleasant generalization, as well as being extremely hypocritical, seeing as some people still think Emperor Palpatine in Rome is speaking for god.

They're not the fucking serfs from the Feudal era, people.

I read the Quran, and assuming that as they're muslims, they follow it, then they are definitely in the dark ages.
I'm not a catholic so I don't get how that's hypocritical.

Ok, let's make this easy.

You read the bible, yes? Do you follow every single little rule? Do you interpret it literally?

If you answered yes to any of the above, you are just as bad as the Radical Muslims.

Fun fact: Not everyone interprets religious texts the same way. Your interpretation of the Quran could be different from mine or someone else's.

Some people don't particularly enjoy living with the kind of bullshit rules most religions give you in their texts.

[Revanchism]

I read the Quran, and assuming that as they're muslims, they follow it, then they are definitely in the dark ages.
I'm not a catholic so I don't get how that's hypocritical.

Ok, let's make this easy.

You read the bible, yes? Do you follow every single little rule? Do you interpret it literally?

If you answered yes to any of the above, you are just as bad as the Radical Muslims.

Fun fact: Not everyone interprets religious texts the same way. Your interpretation of the Quran could be different from mine or someone else's.

Fuck, people can't even interpret a modern 80 page book the same way, how the hell could they be expected to all agree on one interpretation of a 1400 year old text with artistic language.

[Cannabis Islands]

I will say it before, it is Muslim's fault that they are homophobic and get angry at the sight of gay people.

The squiggly bit above the period means that I have asked you to respond, specifically, to the things mentioned before the squiggly-over-period.

LGBT people have the right to march whenever or whenever they wish.

[Cannabis Islands]

Ok, let's make this easy.

You read the bible, yes? Do you follow every single little rule? Do you interpret it literally?

If you answered yes to any of the above, you are just as bad as the Radical Muslims.

Fun fact: Not everyone interprets religious texts the same way. Your interpretation of the Quran could be different from mine or someone else's.

Fuck, people can't even interpret a modern 80 page book the same way, how the hell could they be expected to all agree on one interpretation of a 1400 year old text with artistic language.

Perhaps people should not get their morality from a 1,400 year old book.

[Zrhajan]

Yeah, can we not assume all Muslims are living in the dark ages? It's a rather unpleasant generalization, as well as being extremely hypocritical, seeing as some people still think Emperor Palpatine in Rome is speaking for god.

They're not the fucking serfs from the Feudal era, people.

True, not all Muslims are living in the dark ages. They are very intelligent people that embrace the modern world who happen to be Muslim. However, I believe the debate has gone like this on this thread.
Me: If refugees don't like the culture of the country that are living in, they can move out.
Everyone else: WHY DO YOU HATE MUSLIMS?!
and I focused the issue of Islam rather than my original statement and I apologize for that.

Or in my case ask how the hell one should deport them without breaking international law, and how they can leave without breaking international law. you still haven't responded to the first part.

[Wisconsin9]

The squiggly bit above the period means that I have asked you to respond, specifically, to the things mentioned before the squiggly-over-period.

LGBT people have the right to march whenever or whenever they wish.

This is something I do not disagree with. What I disagree with is that marching at that specific place and time, particularly when organized by those specific people, is anything but completely stupid.

I eagerly await your reply to my statements-with-unknown-responses.

[New Grestin]

Ok, let's make this easy.

You read the bible, yes? Do you follow every single little rule? Do you interpret it literally?

If you answered yes to any of the above, you are just as bad as the Radical Muslims.

Fun fact: Not everyone interprets religious texts the same way. Your interpretation of the Quran could be different from mine or someone else's.

Fuck, people can't even interpret a modern 80 page book the same way, how the hell could they be expected to all agree on one interpretation of a 1400 year old text with artistic language.

Well, apparently practicing the religion dictated in that book makes them godless savages, according to some people.

White Man's burden, indeed.

[Valyrian Freeholds]

Do you just come in to post nothing of substance?

Any ideology (that includes religions such as Islam and Christianity), which espouses hateful views, must be completely eliminated. We cannot allow anyone to be hateful, they should become progressive and tolerant.

Oh my god you really are stupid, here's a hint:

Freedom of speech applies to EVERYONE even people who DISAGREE WITH YOU

[Revanchism]

Fuck, people can't even interpret a modern 80 page book the same way, how the hell could they be expected to all agree on one interpretation of a 1400 year old text with artistic language.

Perhaps people should not get their morality from a 1,400 year old book.

It could also be argued that people shouldn't get their morality from a massive industrialized manufactured culture full of deliberately engineered memetics made to make you think a certain way on things.
Point being that morality is relative and heavily subjective, and there's really no way to objectively evaluate what is and isn't a good source of morality.
Nevertheless, that's off-topic.

[Cannabis Islands]

True, not all Muslims are living in the dark ages. They are very intelligent people that embrace the modern world who happen to be Muslim. However, I believe the debate has gone like this on this thread.
Me: If refugees don't like the culture of the country that are living in, they can move out.
Everyone else: WHY DO YOU HATE MUSLIMS?!
and I focused the issue of Islam rather than my original statement and I apologize for that.

Or in my case ask how the hell one should deport them without breaking international law, and how they can leave without breaking international law. you still haven't responded to the first part.

And this is a case for Sweden not being so liberal in accepting refugee applications.

[Cederland]

I read the Quran, and assuming that as they're muslims, they follow it, then they are definitely in the dark ages.
I'm not a catholic so I don't get how that's hypocritical.

Ok, let's make this easy.

You read the bible, yes? Do you follow every single little rule? Do you interpret it literally?

If you answered yes to any of the above, you are just as bad as the Radical Muslims.

Fun fact: Not everyone interprets religious texts the same way. Your interpretation of the Quran could be different from mine or someone else's.

Ok, that's fair, interpretation can differ, let's look at what the prophets set as an example:
Jesus healed people and died without resisting,
Buddha taught peace and harmony through non-violence,
Moses lead his people from captivity without having a violent uprising,
Muhammed burned people alive for not praying with him (look up Bukhari 11:626 in any Quran)

It's sad that among you, the gay communist is the only other logical person.

[Cannabis Islands]

Perhaps people should not get their morality from a 1,400 year old book.

It could also be argued that people shouldn't get their morality from a massive industrialized manufactured culture full of deliberately engineered memetics made to make you think a certain way on things.
Point being that morality is relative and heavily subjective, and there's really no way to objectively evaluate what is and isn't a good source of morality.
Nevertheless, that's off-topic.

I know "there are no bad cultures" or "all cultures are equal". Got yeah.

[Zrhajan]

Or in my case ask how the hell one should deport them without breaking international law, and how they can leave without breaking international law. you still haven't responded to the first part.

And this is a case for Sweden not being so liberal in accepting refugee applications.

So, if Sweden shouldn't be that liberal, how about countries that accept more refugees e.g. Germany? should they also stop issuing so many acceptances? Whatever the case, like it or not, these people are escaping persecution and death in their native countries, and saying "Oh, we shouldn't accept them because they don't share our values" is basically saying that you want to condemn them to death in the war-torn nations from whence they came. And that is just absolutely fucked up.

[New Grestin]

Ok, let's make this easy.

You read the bible, yes? Do you follow every single little rule? Do you interpret it literally?

If you answered yes to any of the above, you are just as bad as the Radical Muslims.

Fun fact: Not everyone interprets religious texts the same way. Your interpretation of the Quran could be different from mine or someone else's.

Ok, that's fair, interpretation can differ, let's look at what the prophets set as an example:
Jesus healed people and died without resisting,
Buddha taught peace and harmony through non-violence,
Moses lead his people from captivity without having a violent uprising,
Muhammed burned people alive for not praying with him (look up Bukhari 11:626 in any Quran)

It's sad that among you, the gay communist is the only other logical person.

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, then Islam is the exception, rather than the rule when it comes to violent religions?

I'm guessing the Crusades, the persecution of Ante-baptists during the Reformation, and the myriad of religiously motivated genocides throughout history didn't happen in your book, then.

Your homosexuality or Communist beliefs are irrelevant, quite frankly.

[Cannabis Islands]

And this is a case for Sweden not being so liberal in accepting refugee applications.

So, if Sweden shouldn't be that liberal, how about countries that accept more refugees e.g. Germany? should they also stop issuing so many acceptances? Whatever the case, like it or not, these people are escaping persecution and death in their native countries, and saying "Oh, we shouldn't accept them because they don't share our values" is basically saying that you want to condemn them to death in the war-torn nations from whence they came. And that is just absolutely fucked up.

Yes, that is what I am saying. If refugees don't wish to live in a country with secular and progressive values, they should not live there. And I would say Germany is damn near full, and they need to start rejecting some applications, and quick.

[Revanchism]

Ok, let's make this easy.

You read the bible, yes? Do you follow every single little rule? Do you interpret it literally?

If you answered yes to any of the above, you are just as bad as the Radical Muslims.

Fun fact: Not everyone interprets religious texts the same way. Your interpretation of the Quran could be different from mine or someone else's.

Ok, that's fair, interpretation can differ, let's look at what the prophets set as an example:
Jesus healed people and died without resisting,
Buddha taught peace and harmony through non-violence,
Moses lead his people from captivity without having a violent uprising,
Muhammed burned people alive for not praying with him (look up Bukhari 11:626 in any Quran)

It's sad that among you, the gay communist is the only other logical person.

Jesus literally endorsed living among the diseased and ended up getting a man killed(Judas) through entirely preventable circumstances.
Buddha I won't comment on because I know nothing of Buddhism.
Moses was an asshole who ended up getting a bunch of Egyptian children killed because of his poor persuasion skills, anyone can tell you that. He also asked Yahweh to kill people IIRC.
Mohammed was a cat person.

Every single semi-mythical to full mythical being is bound to have violent legends associated with them. Look at Beowulf-yet we don't go around insisting that Scandinavians are brutal savages.

[Revanchism]

It could also be argued that people shouldn't get their morality from a massive industrialized manufactured culture full of deliberately engineered memetics made to make you think a certain way on things.
Point being that morality is relative and heavily subjective, and there's really no way to objectively evaluate what is and isn't a good source of morality.
Nevertheless, that's off-topic.

I know "there are no bad cultures" or "all cultures are equal". Got yeah.

Not what I was saying, but hey, that's a trend of yours.

[Zrhajan]

So, if Sweden shouldn't be that liberal, how about countries that accept more refugees e.g. Germany? should they also stop issuing so many acceptances? Whatever the case, like it or not, these people are escaping persecution and death in their native countries, and saying "Oh, we shouldn't accept them because they don't share our values" is basically saying that you want to condemn them to death in the war-torn nations from whence they came. And that is just absolutely fucked up.

Yes, that is what I am saying. If refugees don't wish to live in a country with secular and progressive values, they should not live there. And I would say Germany is damn near full, and they need to start rejecting some applications, and quick.

My point regarding where they'd end up going if sent back due to rejection still stands. Also, they can hardly have a choice when trying to escape a war-torn region where they would be fearing for their lives. Just thought I might point that out.

[Revanchism]

Yes, that is what I am saying. If refugees don't wish to live in a country with secular and progressive values, they should not live there. And I would say Germany is damn near full, and they need to start rejecting some applications, and quick.

My point regarding where they'd end up going if sent back due to rejection still stands. Also, they can hardly have a choice when trying to escape a war-torn region where they would be fearing for their lives. Just thought I might point that out.

Don't bother, he's already said he's okay with the deaths of innocents.

[United facist States of America]

Considering the SD they just did this to get more material against muslims and maybe get some LGBT people killed in the process.

[Cannabis Islands]

I know "there are no bad cultures" or "all cultures are equal". Got yeah.

Not what I was saying, but hey, that's a trend of yours.

It is implied in your post. But I'm this is not the tread to discuss this.
Back on topic, is it immoral for LGBT SD supporters to hold a rally in area filled with homophobic and transphobic immigrants? I say no.

[Wisconsin9]

Yes, that is what I am saying. If refugees don't wish to live in a country with secular and progressive values, they should not live there. And I would say Germany is damn near full, and they need to start rejecting some applications, and quick.

My point regarding where they'd end up going if sent back due to rejection still stands. Also, they can hardly have a choice when trying to escape a war-torn region where they would be fearing for their lives. Just thought I might point that out.

Yeah but it's more important to be in your country of birth than alive bcuz reasons.

[Revanchism]

Not what I was saying, but hey, that's a trend of yours.

It is implied in your post. But I'm this is not the tread to discuss this.
Back on topic, is it immoral for LGBT SD supporters to hold a rally in area filled with homophobic and transphobic immigrants? I say no.

In abstract? No. In this particular context and situation? Absolutely.

[Cannabis Islands]

My point regarding where they'd end up going if sent back due to rejection still stands. Also, they can hardly have a choice when trying to escape a war-torn region where they would be fearing for their lives. Just thought I might point that out.

Don't bother, he's already said he's okay with the deaths of innocents.

Heh, and you talk about me putting words in your mouth. All I said that if they don't like the culture of the country they are living in, they can leave. and you said "You want people to die!!!"

[Wisconsin9]

Not what I was saying, but hey, that's a trend of yours.

It is implied in your post. But I'm this is not the tread to discuss this.
Back on topic, is it immoral for LGBT SD supporters to hold a rally in area filled with homophobic and transphobic immigrants? I say no.

Immoral? No. Stupid? Absolutely. They won't get one scrap of sympathy from me if they get themselves killed.