Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS) II

[Nariterrr]

I really wouldn't call it a crisis anymore, it's more of a problem now. The group will probably die down in a year and there leaders will be killed in drone strikes. It's only a matter of time.

[Uxupox]

I really wouldn't call it a crisis anymore, it's more of a problem now. The group will probably die down in a year and there leaders will be killed in drone strikes. It's only a matter of time.

That's what they said two years ago and they still going on.

[The Rich Port]

I'm laughing at the idea that we can trust Washington at all. The only thing you could trust them to do is to fuck up Syria just like they did Iraq.

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

By doing the very thing we did to fuck it up in the first place.

And that's prop up dictators, ironically fucking enough, which is what Ganos wants.

[Kauthar]

I'm laughing at the idea that we can trust Washington at all. The only thing you could trust them to do is to fuck up Syria just like they did Iraq.

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

[Novus America]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

By doing the very thing we did to fuck it up in the first place.

And that's prop up dictators, ironically fucking enough, which is what Ganos wants.

Yup. "Propping up bad corrupt failing governments is bad!" "So we should prop up Assad!". Not logical.

[The Rich Port]

By doing the very thing we did to fuck it up in the first place.

And that's prop up dictators, ironically fucking enough, which is what Ganos wants.

Yup. "Propping up bad corrupt failing governments is bad!" "So we should prop up Assad!". Not logical.

Especially when said dictators have funded terrorists.

[Novus America]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

The point is we cannot make Syria worse. Assad and Russia already destroyed it.

Afganistan has not failed. It has serious problems but it has dramatically improved. Afganistan is FAR better now than it was under the Taliban. Afganistan worked ok. And that was not world police spreading democracy. It was self defense.

We never tried to create a democratic government in Somalia. We actually propped up a dictator. It collapsed on its own. We only got involved to deliver aid. Plus Somalia is improving now.

Libya was also a total cluster fuck before we got involved. Fewer people are dying now. We turned a bloody civil war into a much less bloody one.

Yes the Iraq thing was a disaster in the end. But it was horrible under Saddam too.

So it is not fair to say we made everything worse. We made some things worse, but made some things better.

Blaming the Middle East's problems on the US is absurd. Just because our interventions have gone awry does not change that things were bad and often worse before.

And as far as world police, well no we should not always be. However no police means anarchy. You have to realize that. I am okay with letting some places collapse on and work it out on their own but it will not be pretty.

Plus we are not spreading democracy everywhere, only sometimes after we get involved for some other reason. Many dictators we ignore or even support.

[The Rich Port]

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

The point is we cannot make Syria worse. Assad and Russia already destroyed it.

Afganistan has not failed. It has serious problems but it has dramatically improved. Afganistan is FAR better now than it was under the Taliban. Afganistan worked ok. And that was not world police spreading democracy. It was self defense.

We never tried to create a democratic government in Somalia. We actually propped up a dictator. It collapsed on its own. We only got involved to deliver aid. Plus Somalia is improving now.

Libya was also a total cluster fuck before we got involved. Fewer people are dying now. We turned a bloody civil war into a much less bloody one.

Yes the Iraq thing was a disaster in the end. But it was horrible under Saddam too.

So it is not fair to say we made everything worse. We made some things worse, but made some things better.

Blaming the Middle East's problems on the US is absurd. Just because our interventions have gone awry does not change that things were bad and often worse before.

And as far as world police, well no we should not always be. However no police means anarchy. You have to realize that. I am okay with letting some places collapse on and work it out on their own but it will not be pretty.

Plus we are not spreading democracy everywhere, only sometimes after we get involved for some other reason. Many dictators we ignore or even support.

Especially when not all of our interventions have been total catastrophes.

And anti-U.S. sentiment is the latest propaganda tool for dictators against the U.S.

[The balkens]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

somalia was always shitty tbh.

Eastern Europe worked out well, Japan and S. Korea too.

[Economic Liberation Brigade]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

Why don't you take your cultural marxism elsewhere? We have every right to spread our ideals.

[Uxupox]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

Libya? Somalia? What you smoking?

[Nariterrr]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

We didn't go to Libya or Somalia.

[Uxupox]

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

We didn't go to Libya or Somalia.

Well an UN operation did and the United States was part of it but it wasn't the main force behind it.

[Nariterrr]

We didn't go to Libya or Somalia.

Well an UN operation did and the United States was part of it but it wasn't the main force behind it.

I meant that we were not directly involved.

[Ganos Lao]

I'm laughing at the idea that we can trust Washington at all. The only thing you could trust them to do is to fuck up Syria just like they did Iraq.

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Oh, I'm sure there's something that can be done.

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

By doing the very thing we did to fuck it up in the first place.

And that's prop up dictators, ironically fucking enough, which is what Ganos wants.

This is you, right now. Try reading my posts again.

[Ganos Lao]

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

We didn't go to Libya or Somalia.

Black Hawk Down doesn't ring any bells?

[Ganos Lao]

Blaming the Middle East's problems on the US is absurd.

That's right. A lot of the blame also can be put on the other Western countries such as the UK, not to mention the incompetent Arab governments.

They too can be blamed also.

[Ganos Lao]

I really wouldn't call it a crisis anymore, it's more of a problem now. The group will probably die down in a year and there leaders will be killed in drone strikes. It's only a matter of time.

That's what they said two years ago and they still going on.

Several years later:

"That's what they said five years and they still going on."

[Ganos Lao]

We didn't go to Libya or Somalia.

Well an UN operation did and the United States was part of it but it wasn't the main force behind it.

The US led that operation. Operation Restoring Hope was the name of it. Look it up, and you'll see it was an American led UN operation.

[Ganos Lao]

By doing the very thing we did to fuck it up in the first place.

And that's prop up dictators, ironically fucking enough, which is what Ganos wants.

Yup. "Propping up bad corrupt failing governments is bad!" "So we should prop up Assad!". Not logical.

This is American foreign policy in a nutshell.

And this is what I have a problem with.

I already said I don't support Assad. I have never said that I want him propped up. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course, but what I'm sure I've actually said is that I just see no reason why I should care that he goes or not, considering that his replacement is guaranteed to be more of the exact same shit.

I'd love for the Southern Front to live up to its promises and put together something resembling a half decent country in the region, but we all know that will never happen.

I'm sure I said that too at some point, but you guys insist on believing "Ganos loves Assad! Ganos loves Assad!" rather than actually reading my posts. That's not logical, I'd say, basing your perceptions of my beliefs entirely on make believe.

Like I told Rich, read my posts again, Novus.

[Napkiraly]

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

somalia was always shitty tbh.

Eastern Europe worked out well, Japan and S. Korea too.

Actually, Somalia was doing kinda okay for awhile under Siad Barre. Then when the Cold War started winding down it got worse. Then after he was ousted it became what it's known for today.

[Pulau Singapura]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

This is what I have been saying on here for a while. Also, The USA should be condemned for its actions.

[Seraven]

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

The point is we cannot make Syria worse. Assad and Russia already destroyed it.

Afganistan has not failed. It has serious problems but it has dramatically improved. Afganistan is FAR better now than it was under the Taliban. Afganistan worked ok. And that was not world police spreading democracy. It was self defense.

We never tried to create a democratic government in Somalia. We actually propped up a dictator. It collapsed on its own. We only got involved to deliver aid. Plus Somalia is improving now.

Libya was also a total cluster fuck before we got involved. Fewer people are dying now. We turned a bloody civil war into a much less bloody one.

Yes the Iraq thing was a disaster in the end. But it was horrible under Saddam too.

So it is not fair to say we made everything worse. We made some things worse, but made some things better.

Blaming the Middle East's problems on the US is absurd. Just because our interventions have gone awry does not change that things were bad and often worse before.

And as far as world police, well no we should not always be. However no police means anarchy. You have to realize that. I am okay with letting some places collapse on and work it out on their own but it will not be pretty.


Plus we are not spreading democracy everywhere, only sometimes after we get involved for some other reason. Many dictators we ignore or even support.

Libya was more stable before the civil war.

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

This is what I have been saying on here for a while. Also, The USA should be condemned for its actions.

Nobody would dare enough to condemn them.

Well, UN doesn't, but citizens and activists will.

[Pulau Singapura]

One of the news pages I follow has an update

[Uxupox]

Well an UN operation did and the United States was part of it but it wasn't the main force behind it.

The US led that operation. Operation Restoring Hope was the name of it. Look it up, and you'll see it was an American led UN operation.

It still isn't at fault on why Somalia is all fucked up.