[Poll] Gun control - How much?

[Dooom35796821595]

Does the president carry a firearm?

silly arguement

Do I have armed escort?

You have the right to one.

[North Calaveras]

silly arguement

Do I have armed escort?

You have the right to one.

Show me.

[Dooom35796821595]

You have the right to one.

Show me.

It's simple. First, become president.
Or, you know, hire armed guards.

[North Calaveras]

Show me.

It's simple. First, become president.
Or, you know, hire armed guards.

That's not the right to armed escort...

and becoming the president is by no means simple.

[Dooom35796821595]

It's simple. First, become president.
Or, you know, hire armed guards.

That's not the right to armed escort...

and becoming the president is by no means simple.

so my life isn't important

im pretty sure i have the same right to defend myself and live as the president.

You said you have the same right to defend yourself and live as the president. I never said you'd achive it.
The president dosent carry a firearm for self defense, and the secret service carry them as part of their job to protect the POTUS. Besides, even the secret service can't save you, the odds of being killed as president are way higher then as a civilian or even as a soldier in peacetime.

[North Calaveras]

That's not the right to armed escort...

and becoming the president is by no means simple.

so my life isn't important

im pretty sure i have the same right to defend myself and live as the president.

You said you have the same right to defend yourself and live as the president. I never said you'd achive it.
The president dosent carry a firearm for self defense, and the secret service carry them as part of their job to protect the POTUS. Besides, even the secret service can't save you, the odds of being killed as president are way higher then as a civilian or even as a soldier in peacetime.

no they are not higher, presidents are not usually assassinated

average joe in compton is more likley to be killed than POTUS.

[Dooom35796821595]

You said you have the same right to defend yourself and live as the president. I never said you'd achive it.
The president dosent carry a firearm for self defense, and the secret service carry them as part of their job to protect the POTUS. Besides, even the secret service can't save you, the odds of being killed as president are way higher then as a civilian or even as a soldier in peacetime.

no they are not higher, presidents are not usually assassinated

average joe in compton is more likley to be killed than POTUS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _in_office

8/44, or one every five and a half. So roughly a 20% chance of being assassinated while in office, That might be the most high risk job in the world.

[North Calaveras]

no they are not higher, presidents are not usually assassinated

average joe in compton is more likley to be killed than POTUS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _in_office

8/44, or one every five and a half. So roughly a 20% chance of being assassinated while in office, That might be the most high risk job in the world.

well for the rest of us peasants it dosn't look like it

besides, matters little, my life is no more or less equal to his.

are you going to give me a escort? if not stop saying guns don't help protect people.

[Omega America II]

You know something, if you banned guns, then all those deaths caused by guns would be replaced by deaths caused by knives. So then, it really doesn't help to ban guns.

[Stellonia]

You know something, if you banned guns, then all those deaths caused by guns would be replaced by deaths caused by knives. So then, it really doesn't help to ban guns.

You forgot that a lot of some deaths would be caused by illegal guns.

[Sociobiology]

You know something, if you banned guns, then all those deaths caused by guns would be replaced by deaths caused by knives. So then, it really doesn't help to ban guns.

except it is a lot harder to kill someone with a knife, this is part of the escalation problem with firearms. The other being that guns do turn non-violent encounters into violent ones.
banning guns really would reduce deaths, its just not enough reason to ban them.
however since you can get much the same effect with universal background checks we should be at least doing that.

[Big Jim P]

You know something, if you banned guns, then all those deaths caused by guns would be replaced by deaths caused by knives. So then, it really doesn't help to ban guns.

except it is a lot harder to kill someone with a knife, this is part of the escalation problem with firearms. The other being that guns do turn non-violent encounters into violent ones.
banning guns really would reduce deaths, its just not enough reason to ban them.
however since you can get much the same effect with universal background checks we should be at least doing that.

Guns do not noticeably "turn non-violent encounters into violent ones" despite the GCM constant cries of "blood in the streets" every time carry laws are loosened. More and more states are easing these laws and more and more people are carrying, yet there is no increase in violent encounters.

Banning guns would reduce GUN related deaths (including legitimate ones), but would likely increase deaths by knives, blunt objects and bare hands as attackers would know that their victims would be unarmed.

I rest comfortably knowing that there is not enough support for banning guns in America. Nor for UBCs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So, question for everyone (mainly gun control advocates though), what do you think of 3D printed weapons and how would you work those into your plans?

[Yedmnrutika Gavr]

people will continue to be murderers with or without guns so why not at least let those willing to undergo a psychological evaluation have one also. it seems stupid to leave a non-violent citizen defenseless. we do not live in a perfect bunny world yet and guns are a fact of life for now. also i can say that in the us its unconstitutional (not that i believe the right to own a gun should be included in the constitution, just saying it is there and has been for a couple hundred year*)

*see wren v. dc

[Dooom35796821595]

So, question for everyone (mainly gun control advocates though), what do you think of 3D printed weapons and how would you work those into your plans?

If ownership is illegal you just need to have severe punishments for people who use 3D printed weapons. It's simmilar to the problem of illegal firearms. There could also be laws against printing firearms, and you could try to program printers to identify weapons and not print them, simmilar to how those yellow dots on some currencies stop traditional printers from making counterfeits.

There are much scarier uses for 3D printers, like a bio-printer that can make anthrax.
We'll need to regulate that.

[Rock Lobsters]

So, question for everyone (mainly gun control advocates though), what do you think of 3D printed weapons and how would you work those into your plans?

If ownership is illegal you just need to have severe punishments for people who use 3D printed weapons. It's simmilar to the problem of illegal firearms. There could also be laws against printing firearms, and you could try to program printers to identify weapons and not print them, simmilar to how those yellow dots on some currencies stop traditional printers from making counterfeits.

There are much scarier uses for 3D printers, like a bio-printer that can make anthrax.
We'll need to regulate that.

God dammit, even the printers are trying to cause mass genocide on the human race.

And my opinion on gun control is as follows:
Give guns only to the people who need it to survive *People who need to hunt, live in rural areas, etc.* or to provide safety of others *Police, CIA,FBI,Secret Service*, or in order to keep a *Deer* population down and please stop leaving guns out in the open parents...seriously.

[Redsection]

I love guns, all guns automatic or semi as well as their ammunition variants deserve to be legal. But for them to be legal anyone who owns them must have a clean background with small offence crimes,they can't have a major mental illness,they must be an american citizen,but until then P90's for everyone.

[Rock Lobsters]

I love guns, all guns automatic or semi as well as their ammunition variants deserve to be legal. But for them to be legal anyone who owns them must have a clean background with small offence crimes,they can't have a major mental illness,they must be an american citizen,but until then P90's for everyone.

Why do they have to only be American?

[Redsection]

I love guns, all guns automatic or semi as well as their ammunition variants deserve to be legal. But for them to be legal anyone who owns them must have a clean background with small offence crimes,they can't have a major mental illness,they must be an american citizen,but until then P90's for everyone.

Why do they have to only be American?

I mean for america only, but let me rephrase to any legal citizen of the country in which they currently reside.

[Rock Lobsters]

Why do they have to only be American?

I mean for america only, but let me rephrase to any legal citizen of the country in which they currently reside.

Oh gotcha. I thought you were going to go on an islamphobic rant

[Redsection]

I mean for america only, but let me rephrase to any legal citizen of the country in which they currently reside.

Oh gotcha. I thought you were going to go on an islamphobic rant

those days are behind me.

[Dooom35796821595]

If ownership is illegal you just need to have severe punishments for people who use 3D printed weapons. It's simmilar to the problem of illegal firearms. There could also be laws against printing firearms, and you could try to program printers to identify weapons and not print them, simmilar to how those yellow dots on some currencies stop traditional printers from making counterfeits.

There are much scarier uses for 3D printers, like a bio-printer that can make anthrax.
We'll need to regulate that.

God dammit, even the printers are trying to cause mass genocide on the human race.

Printers don't kill people, Bio-weapons do!

[Washington Resistance Army]

So, question for everyone (mainly gun control advocates though), what do you think of 3D printed weapons and how would you work those into your plans?

If ownership is illegal you just need to have severe punishments for people who use 3D printed weapons. It's simmilar to the problem of illegal firearms. There could also be laws against printing firearms, and you could try to program printers to identify weapons and not print them, simmilar to how those yellow dots on some currencies stop traditional printers from making counterfeits.

There are much scarier uses for 3D printers, like a bio-printer that can make anthrax.
We'll need to regulate that.

Well printers that make weapons and the files to make them are already out there. I'm not sure how well trying to program what they can make would go though.

[Dooom35796821595]

If ownership is illegal you just need to have severe punishments for people who use 3D printed weapons. It's simmilar to the problem of illegal firearms. There could also be laws against printing firearms, and you could try to program printers to identify weapons and not print them, simmilar to how those yellow dots on some currencies stop traditional printers from making counterfeits.

There are much scarier uses for 3D printers, like a bio-printer that can make anthrax.
We'll need to regulate that.

Well printers that make weapons and the files to make them are already out there. I'm not sure how well trying to program what they can make would go though.

I think printers already have anti counterfeiting software hard wired into them, it would just require legislation that requires all printers to have anti-weapon software.
And current 3D printer weapons are hardly a threat, you can make something simmilar out of a plastic tube, a spring and a bullet.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well printers that make weapons and the files to make them are already out there. I'm not sure how well trying to program what they can make would go though.

I think printers already have anti counterfeiting software hard wired into them, it would just require legislation that requires all printers to have anti-weapon software.
And current 3D printer weapons are hardly a threat, you can make something simmilar out of a plastic tube, a spring and a bullet.

This disagrees

While that does work for anti counterfeiting stuff, with weapons you could just build multiple pieces to a single part and put them all together yourself. I dunno, I'm just not sure how well that would work.