Are the IRA Heroes?

[Alyakia]

do you know what per capita means serious question

lolnope missed it haha

Either way, being five times smaller, with less people, obviously NI will have a smaller economy, therefore less wealth to go around.

well then what about my other post, the united states? why does ireland have a GDP per capita on par with the united states about $10,000 higher than the UK? size seriously does not come into it. nothern ireland's problem cannot be blamed on size.

[The Mid East Federation]

No I think I disliked Ireland as a concept before I started my Zionist attitude. Are you sure you don't want the best borders for your people? Nahh, just teezing, but really.

I don't want Britain all I want is a united Ireland, separate from Britain physically, culturally and economically. But you admit to occupying Palestinian land?

Palestine isn't a country, its an idea that is failed.

Every religion has a claim to the holy lands, I just feel the Jewish people can keep it in the best shape, like they have been.

Economically, Culturally, and Physically you would be a more prosperous people under Britain is my ideology, but I don't think I would want to assimilate all of Ireland.

But a majority in Northern Ireland support the union so they should stay.

[Benian Republic]

I don't want Britain all I want is a united Ireland, separate from Britain physically, culturally and economically. But you admit to occupying Palestinian land?

Palestine isn't a country, its an idea that is failed.

Every religion has a claim to the holy lands, I just feel the Jewish people can keep it in the best shape, like they have been.

Economically, Culturally, and Physically you would be a more prosperous people under Britain is my ideology, but I don't think I would want to assimilate all of Ireland.

But a majority in Northern Ireland support the union so they should stay.

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

[The Mid East Federation]

Palestine isn't a country, its an idea that is failed.

Every religion has a claim to the holy lands, I just feel the Jewish people can keep it in the best shape, like they have been.

Economically, Culturally, and Physically you would be a more prosperous people under Britain is my ideology, but I don't think I would want to assimilate all of Ireland.

But a majority in Northern Ireland support the union so they should stay.

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

Well that's Imperialist, grabbing land and people that aren't yours or want to be with you. Makes you no better than the 'UK' you describe.

[Marcurix]

Palestine isn't a country, its an idea that is failed.

Every religion has a claim to the holy lands, I just feel the Jewish people can keep it in the best shape, like they have been.

Economically, Culturally, and Physically you would be a more prosperous people under Britain is my ideology, but I don't think I would want to assimilate all of Ireland.

But a majority in Northern Ireland support the union so they should stay.

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

I'm curious,

Does the hypocrisy hit you at any point? Even a little?

Because for someone who complains about the discrimination, you sure are eager of discriminate.

[Benian Republic]

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

Well that's Imperialist, grabbing land and people that aren't yours or want to be with you. Makes you no better than the 'UK' you describe.

No it's not since it's our land.

[Benian Republic]

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

I'm curious,

Does the hypocrisy hit you at any point? Even a little?

Because for someone who complains about the discrimination, you sure are eager of discriminate.

Occupiers deserve nothing from those they have stole from.

[Ikania]

Palestine isn't a country, its an idea that is failed.

Every religion has a claim to the holy lands, I just feel the Jewish people can keep it in the best shape, like they have been.

Economically, Culturally, and Physically you would be a more prosperous people under Britain is my ideology, but I don't think I would want to assimilate all of Ireland.

But a majority in Northern Ireland support the union so they should stay.

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

Except they are Irish. Just as modern Americans are Americans. They were born in Ireland, and remember that they're not all descended from English colonists. Along with sending Protestants to Northern Ireland, they also converted a good many. Your claim of 'Ireland for the Irish' makes no sense when you want to alienate Irish Protestants because 'they're icky'.

[The Mid East Federation]

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

I'm curious,

Does the hypocrisy hit you at any point? Even a little?

Because for someone who complains about the discrimination, you sure are eager of discriminate.

This tho!

[Benian Republic]

I'm curious,

Does the hypocrisy hit you at any point? Even a little?

Because for someone who complains about the discrimination, you sure are eager of discriminate.

This tho!

You are a Zionist so I wouldn't trust your opinon any more than that of Martin McGuniess.

[Ikania]

lolnope missed it haha

Either way, being five times smaller, with less people, obviously NI will have a smaller economy, therefore less wealth to go around.

well then what about my other post, the united states? why does ireland have a GDP per capita on par with the united states about $10,000 higher than the UK? size seriously does not come into it. nothern ireland's problem cannot be blamed on size.

Actually, it can. GDP per capita is GDP divided by the population. America's GDP has to be split among 365 million people, not even bringing the income equality into the equation, yet they still churn out a solid 50 thousand. Ireland has 4 million people, the UK has somewhere around 60, no wonder Irish people have a higher per capita. The UK as a whole has a GDP in the trillions, while Ireland is at 200 billion.

This tho!

You are a Zionist so I wouldn't trust your opinon any more than that of Martin McGuniess.

Nice personal attack, it doesn't affect the validity of his argument.

[Benian Republic]

Sorry I almost thread jacked.

Anyways they aren't Irish so they don't deserve a say in it.

Except they are Irish. Just as modern Americans are Americans. They were born in Ireland, and remember that they're not all descended from English colonists. Along with sending Protestants to Northern Ireland, they also converted a good many. Your claim of 'Ireland for the Irish' makes no sense when you want to alienate Irish Protestants because 'they're icky'.

Not Protestants Unionists.

[Marcurix]

I'm curious,

Does the hypocrisy hit you at any point? Even a little?

Because for someone who complains about the discrimination, you sure are eager of discriminate.

Occupiers deserve nothing from those they have stole from.

Except they didn't. People hundreds of years ago did.

Nor is it anything that can be changed, unless you're able to pull a time machine out of all that rhetoric.

Now unless you're really going to suggest a mass violation of human rights to the scale that would destroy the country you claim to love, I'd suggest stopping with the ultra-nationalistic vibe. That went out of style a while ago and for good reason.

[The Mid East Federation]

Well that's Imperialist, grabbing land and people that aren't yours or want to be with you. Makes you no better than the 'UK' you describe.

No it's not since it's our land.

SO I can respect you have a nationalist ideology, but even if you had the best claim (Which you don't) the land is no longer yours, in all factors.

What Ireland should do is do a national referendum, where each county votes whether they are Pro-Union or Anti-Union, and I think 'Northern Ireland' would expand even more.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I don't want Britain all I want is a united Ireland, separate from Britain physically, culturally and economically. But you admit to occupying Palestinian land?

Some people just can't seem to comprehend why self-determination is so necessary. And why imperialism is so immoral.

[Ardoki]

GDP per capita is a country's total GDP, divided by the total population.

Your post makes absolutely no sense and it appears you have no idea what you are talking about.

Look it doesnt matter what your GDP per capita or GDP is when your debt will kill you in a fast spike when Europe doesn't want to bail out another failed state.

Just keep believing in your racist fantasies.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-to-become-fastest-growing-eu-economy-1.2092466

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-to-be-fastest-growing-euro-area-economy-in-2015-1.2062814

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/25/irelands-economy-starting-to-fire-all-cylinders-imf-report

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/ireland-fastest-growing-eu-economy

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/0312/686549-cso-gdp-growth/

[Ardoki]

I don't want Britain all I want is a united Ireland, separate from Britain physically, culturally and economically. But you admit to occupying Palestinian land?

Palestine isn't a country, its an idea that is failed.

Every religion has a claim to the holy lands, I just feel the Jewish people can keep it in the best shape, like they have been.

Economically, Culturally, and Physically you would be a more prosperous people under Britain is my ideology, but I don't think I would want to assimilate all of Ireland.

But a majority in Northern Ireland support the union so they should stay.

Evidence that Ireland would be more prosperous as part of the United Kingdom.

GDP per capita (nominal) of the Republic of Ireland = US$ 52 256
GDP per capita (nominal) of the United Kingdom = US$ 45 653

I really don't think so, based upon hard data. But you have continuously disregarded facts.

[Ikania]

Actually, it can. GDP per capita is GDP divided by the population. America's GDP has to be split among 365 million people, not even bringing the income equality into the equation, yet they still churn out a solid 50 thousand. Ireland has 4 million people, the UK has somewhere around 60, no wonder Irish people have a higher per capita. The UK as a whole has a GDP in the trillions, while Ireland is at 200 billion.

[Ardoki]

Actually, it can. GDP per capita is GDP divided by the population. America's GDP has to be split among 365 million people, not even bringing the income equality into the equation, yet they still churn out a solid 50 thousand. Ireland has 4 million people, the UK has somewhere around 60, no wonder Irish people have a higher per capita. The UK as a whole has a GDP in the trillions, while Ireland is at 200 billion.

Now you've just said the exact opposite of what you claimed earlier.

do you know what per capita means serious question

lolnope missed it haha

Either way, being five times smaller, with less people, obviously NI will have a smaller economy, therefore less wealth to go around.

First (in the post directly above me), you claimed that because Northern Ireland was a smaller country with less people, there is "less wealth to go around". You are basically saying that the only reason Ireland has a greater GDP per capita than Northern Ireland is because it has more land and a larger population.

In your second post (quoted first in this post), you claimed that it is "no wonder Irish people have a higher per capita" due to Ireland's smaller population than the United Kingdom.

You have contradicted yourself, and have lost all credibility with me. It is a waste of my time arguing with you any further.

[HMS Vanguard]

It's hard to see any argument for them really. I can think of a few possible justifications to wage war over the sovereignty of some territory:

1. the existing sovereign is cruel/corrupt/incompetent - not the case here; the UK was generally better governed than Ireland between 1922 and 1997, and while Ireland improved a lot in the 80s and 90s, it never became clearly better than the UK, just about equal.

2. the existing sovereign is keeping people hostage in that land against their will - not the case here; there was free cross-border travel and mutual residency rights ever since 1922.

3. the majority of the population support the change in sovereignty - not the case here; the majority of the population of N Ireland was and still is unionist.

If you accept it's moral to wage war to take territory when 1. you would not improve conditions for the existing population, 2. you would not end any restrictions on people in that territory voluntarily moving to your territory and 3. most people in that territory prefer the current rulers to you, then I don't see how you can morally oppose the European colonial empires or Hitler's annexation of Poland.


edit: of course the situation is a little different if you are talking about the original IRA. In that case, condition 3. is satisfied, but probably still not 1.

[Ikania]

Now you've just said the exact opposite of what you claimed earlier.

lolnope missed it haha

Either way, being five times smaller, with less people, obviously NI will have a smaller economy, therefore less wealth to go around.

First (in the post directly above me), you claimed that because Northern Ireland was a smaller country with less people, there is "less wealth to go around". You are basically saying that the only reason Ireland has a greater GDP per capita than Northern Ireland is because it has more land and a larger population.

In your second post (quoted first in this post), you claimed that it is "no wonder Irish people have a higher per capita" due to Ireland's smaller population than the United Kingdom.

You have contradicted yourself, and have lost all credibility with me. It is a waste of my time arguing with you any further.

Funny that you think that. My point is first, that NI will have a smaller economy due to being five times smaller, then when I realized we were talking per capita, I said that since Ireland has very little people, there is more wealth to go around. Which you may think contradicts me saying there's less wealth go go around, but it's all about context. So when talking about the economy, NI is smaller, so there is less money than Ireland. When talking about per capita, likewise, Ireland is smaller than the UK, which means there is much less people to spread out the wealth to, therefore more to go around.

In the end, we should stop talking per capita because it means nothing. In the grand scheme of things, the Ulster Irish are here to stay, and they've been here for a long enough time to be considered full blooded Irish, especially because not all Irish Protestants are necessarily descended from English colonists; expelling them from their homeland, especially forcibly, is a considerably oppressive trampling on the rights of the people and the right to self determination, and advocating any sort of displacement or genocide of Irish Protestants takes away any possible argument or credibility.

[HMS Vanguard]

In the grand scheme of things, the Ulster Irish are here to stay, and they've been here for a long enough time to be considered full blooded Irish, especially because not all Irish Protestants are necessarily descended from English colonists

In fact most of them are descended from Scottish colonists. We are currently seeing the intriguing phenomenon of Scottish Irishmen voting for Northern Ireland to remain in the UK and Irish Scotsmen voting for Scotland to leave it.

[Seraven]

Is the Taliban a group of freedom fighters?

They do want to free Afghanistan from the Americans and its Afghanistan supporters, so according to them, they are freedom fighters...kinda.

[Costa Fierro]

Is the Taliban a group of freedom fighters?

They do want to free Afghanistan from the Americans and its Afghanistan supporters, so according to them, they are freedom fighters...kinda.

They want to liberate women from the hassles of being seen by men and from voting. And their heads, if they choose to voice an opinion on the matter.

[Ardoki]

Now you've just said the exact opposite of what you claimed earlier.


First (in the post directly above me), you claimed that because Northern Ireland was a smaller country with less people, there is "less wealth to go around". You are basically saying that the only reason Ireland has a greater GDP per capita than Northern Ireland is because it has more land and a larger population.

In your second post (quoted first in this post), you claimed that it is "no wonder Irish people have a higher per capita" due to Ireland's smaller population than the United Kingdom.

You have contradicted yourself, and have lost all credibility with me. It is a waste of my time arguing with you any further.

Funny that you think that. My point is first, that NI will have a smaller economy due to being five times smaller, then when I realized we were talking per capita, I said that since Ireland has very little people, there is more wealth to go around. Which you may think contradicts me saying there's less wealth go go around, but it's all about context. So when talking about the economy, NI is smaller, so there is less money than Ireland. When talking about per capita, likewise, Ireland is smaller than the UK, which means there is much less people to spread out the wealth to, therefore more to go around.

In the end, we should stop talking per capita because it means nothing. In the grand scheme of things, the Ulster Irish are here to stay, and they've been here for a long enough time to be considered full blooded Irish, especially because not all Irish Protestants are necessarily descended from English colonists; expelling them from their homeland, especially forcibly, is a considerably oppressive trampling on the rights of the people and the right to self determination, and advocating any sort of displacement or genocide of Irish Protestants takes away any possible argument or credibility.

I was specifically talking about GDP per capita. That is why I explicitly mentioned it in every post where I was talking about it.

You are simply lying. If you read the posts you were replying to, you would have known I was talking about GDP per capita, even if you missed the 'per capita' part (which you couldn't have) the posts would make no sense if I was talking about total GDP. You are now simply making up excuses now since I exposed your contradictory statements.

Many Ulster-Scots see themselves as Irish, a lot are even culturally Irish. However those who hate Ireland should be deported.